Infidelity Support Group
Any relationship in which one partner engages willfully in sexual relations with another outside of the partnership is considered to have experienced infidelity. This breach of trust is often traumatizing for the faithful partner as well as the relationship, and support is often needed to heal emotionally and to decide whether or not the relationship should continue after...
hairymick
G'day guys,
I posted a while ago that I suspected my wife of 14 years was having an affair on me. All the usual red flags were there - all of them, but as yet, I still have no real proof that the affair actually existed. This has been going on for more than three years now,
Long story short,
It came to a head a couple of months ago, Accusations were thrown and heated words were exchanged after I caught her flirting with, and making doe eyes at a male co-worker. (he was and still is my prime suspect)
Shortly before this, and to his credit, this bloke approached me and asked me if I suspected him of having an affair with my wife. "because he felf a "vibe" coming from me (damn straight he did) and that he had been hearing rumours. - bullshit, I had never mentioned my suspicions to anyone there. We all work at the same place though I am in a different section.
I told him staight out of my suspicions and that if i ever got proof, two things would happen.
1. I would bury him.
2. I would tell his wife
not necissarily in that ordr.
This prick is a male slut, has cheated on his wife several times that I know of and even left her and their little child once for another woman. He is constantly hitting on all and sundry females at our work. Pretty much anyone with a pulse. Most of the women I talk to can't stand him because he is such a sleazy basterd. they all tell a similar story of his hitting on them. -You get the idea.
When I told him my intentions, the colour drained from his face and i think I saw real fear there.
When my wife and I had our strong words, she told me she was leaving. that it was all over etc etc and for once, my spine grew some bones and I said fine. Advised her of the reality that she had better see a lawyer because I allready had and that we should start packing the following day. We would both have to move out of our house, get the valuers in and start negotiations re a settlement because I was damned if I was just going to just walk away and give her anything without a fight.
For the first time in all our troubles, she actually broke down and cried and I left her to it..
The following morning, i was sitting by the computor when she came out and for the first time in three years, she initiated a sign of affection. (a little thing) She touched me affectionately on the arm as she walked past on her way to the bathroom. All my hard arse resolve melted and like the lap dog that I am, I also melted.
Shortly after this, things started to improve a bit and a couple of weeks later we went away on vacation. We did the whole romantic thing, staying is real nice places, rain forest cabins with spar and log fire etc etc, drank lots of wine, lots of eye contact, talked nicely a lot and even made love often and like we used to. It was bloody great! and I thought we were back on track.
At the end of the holliday, we returned home to work and reality and for a couple of weeks or so, things continued as they were while we were away. bloody brilliant! Lots of affection and cuddles, Lots of eye contact and plenty of great sex. I am a simple man - what can I say?
Over the past couple of weeks or so, I have noticed my wife gradually but surely pulling away from me. Less and less eye contact, finding excuses not to make love and rejecting affection and fearing that she was reverting back to her old nasty self, 4 nights ago I asked her if she was pulling away from me again. What was wrong? she said she didn't know.
Three nights ago, while I was cookng dinner, she came out and it was clear something was troubling her. she came into the kitchen and burst into tears and told me she just "can't live the lie anymore" that she no longer loves me that way that she used to or the way that I want her to. that I am a "good man" and that I deserve better.
This bloody gutted me and it seems clear to me that she is looking for an easy way out. She has broken my heart again, Just when the trust was starting to build and I thought we were making progress. i can't help myself from analysing everything she says and does looking for things to be suspicious of - again.
We had a calm, deep and meaningful discussion that night when all the time, I just wanted to smack her in the mouth. I have never struck a woman in my life and view any man who does with contempt and as being a coward.
The guts of the matter is that we are both in our 50's, though my wife looks much younger than her years (bitch) :)) and is still a VERY attractive woman. She is the most desireable woman I have ever met.. We are both comfortable in our home and are safe with each other. I told her this and tried to reason logically with her about why she would possibly want to throw it all away on some whim. I urged her to think rationally and that even if she is having an affair (which she denied) Does she think that any other man would put up with her radical mood swings, inconsistencies and all the other bullshit that i have - for as long as I have. It got ugly again. For the record, she is not menapausal..
Yesterday morning, i stayed home from work and we made love, and it was the best sex we have had in years, and the first daylight sex in much longer than that . I stayed home because I thought she had made arrangemens to meet her maggot while I was at work and i was determined to fuck that up on her..
Afterwards, She said in a passing comment, "Wow, that is the best daylight sex i have had in ages"
My problem is this. My wife and i haven't had sex during the day time in a very long time. Probably about 8 years. what the hell is she talking about? did she slip up? or am I being paranoid?
Afterwards, I felt dirty and used. what the hell is going on here? Am I losing my mind?
I posted a while ago that I suspected my wife of 14 years was having an affair on me. All the usual red flags were there - all of them, but as yet, I still have no real proof that the affair actually existed. This has been going on for more than three years now,
Long story short,
It came to a head a couple of months ago, Accusations were thrown and heated words were exchanged after I caught her flirting with, and making doe eyes at a male co-worker. (he was and still is my prime suspect)
Shortly before this, and to his credit, this bloke approached me and asked me if I suspected him of having an affair with my wife. "because he felf a "vibe" coming from me (damn straight he did) and that he had been hearing rumours. - bullshit, I had never mentioned my suspicions to anyone there. We all work at the same place though I am in a different section.
I told him staight out of my suspicions and that if i ever got proof, two things would happen.
1. I would bury him.
2. I would tell his wife
not necissarily in that ordr.
This prick is a male slut, has cheated on his wife several times that I know of and even left her and their little child once for another woman. He is constantly hitting on all and sundry females at our work. Pretty much anyone with a pulse. Most of the women I talk to can't stand him because he is such a sleazy basterd. they all tell a similar story of his hitting on them. -You get the idea.
When I told him my intentions, the colour drained from his face and i think I saw real fear there.
When my wife and I had our strong words, she told me she was leaving. that it was all over etc etc and for once, my spine grew some bones and I said fine. Advised her of the reality that she had better see a lawyer because I allready had and that we should start packing the following day. We would both have to move out of our house, get the valuers in and start negotiations re a settlement because I was damned if I was just going to just walk away and give her anything without a fight.
For the first time in all our troubles, she actually broke down and cried and I left her to it..
The following morning, i was sitting by the computor when she came out and for the first time in three years, she initiated a sign of affection. (a little thing) She touched me affectionately on the arm as she walked past on her way to the bathroom. All my hard arse resolve melted and like the lap dog that I am, I also melted.
Shortly after this, things started to improve a bit and a couple of weeks later we went away on vacation. We did the whole romantic thing, staying is real nice places, rain forest cabins with spar and log fire etc etc, drank lots of wine, lots of eye contact, talked nicely a lot and even made love often and like we used to. It was bloody great! and I thought we were back on track.
At the end of the holliday, we returned home to work and reality and for a couple of weeks or so, things continued as they were while we were away. bloody brilliant! Lots of affection and cuddles, Lots of eye contact and plenty of great sex. I am a simple man - what can I say?
Over the past couple of weeks or so, I have noticed my wife gradually but surely pulling away from me. Less and less eye contact, finding excuses not to make love and rejecting affection and fearing that she was reverting back to her old nasty self, 4 nights ago I asked her if she was pulling away from me again. What was wrong? she said she didn't know.
Three nights ago, while I was cookng dinner, she came out and it was clear something was troubling her. she came into the kitchen and burst into tears and told me she just "can't live the lie anymore" that she no longer loves me that way that she used to or the way that I want her to. that I am a "good man" and that I deserve better.
This bloody gutted me and it seems clear to me that she is looking for an easy way out. She has broken my heart again, Just when the trust was starting to build and I thought we were making progress. i can't help myself from analysing everything she says and does looking for things to be suspicious of - again.
We had a calm, deep and meaningful discussion that night when all the time, I just wanted to smack her in the mouth. I have never struck a woman in my life and view any man who does with contempt and as being a coward.
The guts of the matter is that we are both in our 50's, though my wife looks much younger than her years (bitch) :)) and is still a VERY attractive woman. She is the most desireable woman I have ever met.. We are both comfortable in our home and are safe with each other. I told her this and tried to reason logically with her about why she would possibly want to throw it all away on some whim. I urged her to think rationally and that even if she is having an affair (which she denied) Does she think that any other man would put up with her radical mood swings, inconsistencies and all the other bullshit that i have - for as long as I have. It got ugly again. For the record, she is not menapausal..
Yesterday morning, i stayed home from work and we made love, and it was the best sex we have had in years, and the first daylight sex in much longer than that . I stayed home because I thought she had made arrangemens to meet her maggot while I was at work and i was determined to fuck that up on her..
Afterwards, She said in a passing comment, "Wow, that is the best daylight sex i have had in ages"
My problem is this. My wife and i haven't had sex during the day time in a very long time. Probably about 8 years. what the hell is she talking about? did she slip up? or am I being paranoid?
Afterwards, I felt dirty and used. what the hell is going on here? Am I losing my mind?
It seems that I go off to work for the day and you have gathered yourself plenty with so many others and their help. See why we love it here?
Still sending that support. Still wondering what she is thinking. With her being with you one minute and not with you the next? It seems she is so undecided and torn. could just be me relating to another woman? NOt sure.
Keep taking care of you. L~
This is still a rollercoaster for me..
I was feeling all staunch and strong this morning but back down in the crap again now.. I wish I could just turn my mad bloody emotions off for a little peace now and then.
There is a sort of dullness in my heart that is hard to explain. Gonna try to get my head right in time for when she comes home.. At least to try to show no sign anymore of the torment I am in. Boy do I need a hug just now. LOL - sorry.
My friend, I am absolutely certain that she is undecided and torn and believe it or not, I feel for her. My biggest problem is what exactly is she so undecided and torn about? and why.?
It is real good to get other ladies perspective on this because I am coming to believe that the female of the species is a completely different animal.. I admit to having absolutely no clue.
One minute she tells me I am spending too much time down in my shed doing blokey stuff and this is what she has the shits. I stop that and spend "quality" time with her and she tells me that I am giving her the shits because I am with her too much. When I try the compromise and ask how much time she wants me to spend with her, she gets the shits with that. What ever I do, it will be wrong. It seems to me that there is just no pleasing her.
I think she is looking for stuff to be mad about.
Nevermind. I'm going back down to my shed to do more blokey stuff now. It relaxes me
Love to you, my friend.
Perhaps my being a woman does help me a bit with her. I can't help but see that she is confused and rethinking her choices. We women are different animals, indeed.
How many times did I ask that question also - "He should not even have to think about this. He should not even feel torn. We have been together wayyyyy too long for him to be torn...or for this to even have happened in the first place." I think the fact that it happened for my EX - the affair- told me my marriage was in much more trouble than I thought. Says the same for all of us, I guess.
Seems she - your wife - is still hedging. She wants you and then? She doesn't want you. And this is the hard part. First there is hope and then? No hope.
Keep taking care and I am still sending support, L~
I probably shoud start posting in the breakups and divorce or in my journal or something, but I started this here and if it is OK, will continue on.
My wife came home from work tonight and I put my brave face on. We spoke about her day. All oh so amicable and nice. no hint of what has been going on over the last few days. it is a bit surreal actually.
nevermind, she has gone off to bed now and I will shortly.
At least no harsh words were exchanged tonight.
Gonna do something else for myself again tomorrow. Gonna be strong, gonna be strong, gonna be strong. I keep telling myself that. Sometimes, I even believe it.
I went through a long phase like this with my wife, and this is what it turned out to be:
Now we had confronted the issue of the affairs several times by the time this "phase" - as I've called it - happened, and she always denied everything and tried to turn it all around on me - like something was wrong with me - I was just insecure (which I'm not, but it made me wonder after a while...lol), or maybe I was the one who was guilty of some indiscretion...etc.
What had happened was that she realized I knew. She figured she had ruined the marriage for good. She knew I knew, but I couldn't prove anything, and if ever I could prove it, then she would lose everything - money, respect, house, maybe even our son - this is what she thought.
She knew that if I had been the one to have an affairs like she had, then she wouldn't even think about working things out for any reason - it would be automatic divorce - and because of this, she expected the same reaction from me if she confessed, even though I kept telling her differently.
So she was caught between wanting to stay with me because I was a decent man, wanting to run from the whole situation (as it is her nature to do), and having to live trying to hide all of this guilt and pain. There was a part of her that simply could not and would not face the reality of what she had done.
It damned near drove her insane.
In the end, the boyfriend tossed her aside for a new piece of meat, and then she really had nothing.
So she tried to run. She started looking up ex-boyfriends from years ago that she heard were going through divorces ( and one cop who was supposedly happily married) - got to be their rebound "pump-and-dumps" in the process - which just hurt her more.
That was what led her to trying to set me up for abuse - she saw it as her only way out without losing everything.
Looking back, I've felt that I never should have let things go that far, for my own sake, and I never would again. But honestly, outside of leaving, I don't what I could have done, because I tried for 2 years to get her to just admit it and work things out. But like I said, in her mind, she couldn't believe that was an option any more.
This is why, for a while now, I haven't wondered if she would do it again - I started to expect it...and as I've said a few times already, I think she already has. In fact, I'm pretty sure of it.
And this is why I just don't care any more. And also why I don't believe that forgiveness is necessary or even an option in all situations.
Besides, she can't break my heart any more. Wrecking this family by putting it through a divorce - what the children would go through - that would break my heart. Watching her go down if she lost her last shred of security would break my heart too. Despite what she's done, it isn't as though I can just stop loving her or caring about her, even if I don't care about what she does to me.
I guess it's as selfish as it is self-less, really.
I'm not saying this is what will happen to you. I'm saying that this could happen to you.
It just occurred to me that part of the reason - perhaps the biggest reason she is the way she is now, is that if I divorce her now, she will lose her last shred of dignity.
Wow....that thought makes me pretty friggin' sad.
Maybe she needs to hit "bottom." Maybe that's her only way back up.
I thought I was doing it tough!
Thank you for replying here mate.
I can relate to a lot of what you just said. Still steeling myself here for the worst that I think is yet to come.
See all the great advice you are getting? At this point, it's support we send you. I've been in the break ups and divorce forum but found this place is better for me - it's the people. Stick around?
Hope you are doing your best in all of this, L~
Thanks for continueing to think of me and my little drama.
All seems pretty quiet here for now. i don't want to telegraph my moves because I am certain she is watching this thread now but believe me when I say, things are afoot!
interesting times are ahead - i think.
Still here plugging away though. The ascents and descents of the roller coaster seem to be getting less severe and that is a very good thing - for me.
Now, all I mostly am is sad - and so very tired. but steely in my resolve to hold the high ground.
If she wants to continue on this course SHE HAS CHOSEN - so be it. her choice and her consequences My own consequences will be difficult enough and I couldn't give a rats arse about hers.
I keep telling her that she doesn't have to do this thing. It is her choice. and it is.
When she is old and grey and lonely she will have no one to blame but herself.
Are you reminding her always that this is HER choice? While you have maintained such resolve in your position and how you will be treated, you are still making sure she understands that this is her choice, bottom line. Wow, that is some great BALANCE you have going right now. Admirable.
Stay in touch and rely on the support you have here, LIME :)
Thank you for your continued support and for your private messages.
Bloody appreciated my friend.
We had another deep and meaningful tonight. no fighting or heated words just a calm discussion.
In short, she told me she is thinking of moving out to live with her daughter in a nearby town.
I questioned her closely about her reasons as to why she wanted this. She was reluctant to give any answer at first, merely saying that "she didn't know" same old same old.
I pressed her harder and asked what it was that she was looking for or hoping to achieve, and after several minutes of consideration, the best she could come up with was, she wanted her freedom and independence.
WTF? she allready earns her own money and lives her own life as she sees fit. The only limitation I have placed on things is that i will not tolerate her dating other men.
Again, she has denied there is any other bloke in the picture and further said that she had no intention of "dating" when she moves out.
What puzzles me is that if this is true, then what exactly is it that she wants so desperately that she is prepared to throw all these years with me away - not to mention the fact that in so doing, she will crush a man who is completely devoted to her.
Later in the night, she told me that I scare her. What the hell?
Certanly, I consider myself an Alpha Male and am very capable physically, but I have never raised a hand to any woman or even threatoned her.
If what she told me tonight is true, and i don't think for a minute that it is, she is prepared to throw our last 18 years away on a fucking fantasy. peraps a last attempt to feel her wild youth? who the hell knows. (From what she has told me, it was pretty wild)
Just about every man she has ever been involved with before me has, in her own words, beaten her up or been physically or emotionally abusive. Perhaps she likes this? perhaps she wants a bloke to come home in a bad mood and punch her in the mouth?
I have no idea. IF SHE WANTS THIS, THE BEST THING SHE CAN DO IS PISS OFF AND FIND SOMEONE WHO WILL DO THIS FOR HER. IT WON'T HAPPEN HERE..
I am certain there are women here who have been treated like this. Please explain it to me. Why did you stay? did you like it? etc etc.
venting here guys.. She has just dropped this bombshell on me (not entirely unexpected) and gone off to her bed and apparently not giving a shit about what it has done to me. I feel like going in there and raping the shit out of her. (never raped before either) but if she wants rough, I can do that.
Perhaps she could see something in my eyes. Just before she went off to her bed, she told me I scare her. Who the hell knows.
Sitting here again at my beloved computor, talking to about the only people I trust enough to spill my guts to (and I know none of you) and drinking yet more of this lovely, Aussie red wine. I can feel a big drunk coming on tonight!.
Love and kisses mick
IO am gonna piss off and read some other posts and get even more depressed. LOL
Seriously Mick, now you're scaring me. Drop the alcohol (though you say it's cheap red wine) and drop the rough talk. Take a breather, shore up your hurt feelings, and start thinking about what you need to do from this point forward. I'd say you need to give her what she wants. Sorry, that sucks for you but you love her right? You can't cage her and force her to feel for you and only you. If she's wavering on the marriage and her commitment to you, then maybe your absence will clarify her own mind. Maybe that'll clue her in as to how good she had it with you or that she really did make the right decision by moving on.
Actually, I take that back. You CAN cage her, but you didn't hear that from me. And if I read some crazy crap that an Aussie has imprisoned his cheating wife in a dog kennel and spoon-fed her dogfood for the past 3 months, I want you to tell the police that it was your thought and not mine. I've already gone through enough stress at my own house, last thing I need is to feel responsible for some freak-bondage act half a world away.
As always, best of luck to you and hoping for the best!
-TheRule