Infidelity Support Group
Any relationship in which one partner engages willfully in sexual relations with another outside of the partnership is considered to have experienced infidelity. This breach of trust is often traumatizing for the faithful partner as well as the relationship, and support is often needed to heal emotionally and to decide whether or not the relationship should continue after...
Cole50
Something struck me today (no, not my wife's backhand) and I had a thought. Wondered if my experience coincided with that of others in this regard, of both sexes. Not my specific experience I'm about to relate, mind you, but the point I'll bring up out of it.
My first semester in college, 1979, I started dating my first time seriously. And she instigated things mostly, as I was naive in the ways of dating and such, not having done any of it during high school, as it just wasn't on my radar screen as something I wanted to do. Other factors but that's mostly it.
Anyway, we dated that whole first semester, and when I came back from Christmas break, she met me and told me that she'd fallen out of love with me. Which seemed very odd to me. But we broke up at that point. By the end of the second semester, she was getting what she really wanted from me, but I was going way too slow for her. She got her Mrs. degree from another guy in school so she didn't have to go back home for the summer semester.
Well, during that first semester, despite spending hours every evening kissing and cuddling, I never once touched her breast with my hands or attempted to take her clothes off, or the like. One time she asked if she could rub my belly. I said sure. She unbuttoned my shirt and did so, slowly nudging her fingers slightly under my belt and pants, but never going more than a quarter inch in.
I think she was trying to get me going, but she didn't want to be the one to initiate sex. She wanted me to get excited and want her. The fact I didn't respond that way probably disappointed her, because she probably got the idea that I didn't want her.
But that was far from the truth. The fact of the matter was that I respected her too much to use her like that. Because I loved her, I wouldn't treat her like a sex object. What I've come to realize, is she wanted me to treat her like a sex object. She'd read one too many romance novels, and when I didn't respond like the guys in those novels, she "fell out of love" with me.
That got me to thinking, because my W so wanted the attention of men, and wanted men to notice her, and is what got her in trouble. And the first guy she had mostly an EA with, she knew he would only use her and throw her away when he was done, but she didn't care.
I was perplexed about that, because I was astounded that she didn't respect herself more than that. To me, being willing to be used as a sex object means you have zero respect for yourself, giving away the pearls of your life for a wink and a nod. I don't get it at all.
Now, I know statistics show that women tend to have more self-esteem issues than men. I know that girl I dated had some serious self-esteem issues. She would say things like, "No one would want me, my breast are too small." Despite my assurances that I loved her and didn't think they were too small, she felt unattractive. And I guess the fact I didn't want to have sex with her out of respect for her dignity as a person was translated in her mind that I didn't love her, didn't want her.
Likewise, my W was much skinner and sexier when I dated her than she was when she felt skinny and sexy before and during the affair, plus she didn't have loose skin back then due to pregnancies. But no matter how I told her back then that she wasn't fat, she didn't believe me. She felt fat and unattractive.
So I'm wondering just how much of a role women play in the whole cheating thing? I mean, of course for every man there is a woman who participated (assuming heterosexual cheating). But I'm thinking there is a dynamic here that promotes this kind of behavior.
First, you have the men who are often sex driven and want to get it anyway they can, or just the excitement of a relationship. But then there are the women who seem to send out signals, "Here I am, I'm available and want you!"
When I told my W that I do sometimes glance at women's butts, but I don't want them to see me, she stated something like most women like to know they are being appreciated. And I have to admit, why would you dress to accentuate your physical features if you didn't want them to be admired. But still, I would feel very uncomfortable if I were them dressing like that or knowing that someone was examining my butt. Not smiling and happy about it.
To me, this just shows a lack of respect for ones self, and a self-esteem that needs stoking to be willing to be treated as a sex object. I had always operated under the premise that most women didn't want to be treated that way. That they would respect themselves enough not to stoop to that level. But now I'm not sure how true that assumption is. My W was literally sending out "I'm sexy" vibes and it attracted men, even though she's not a "hot model" type body. Not bad by any means, but not the stereotypical Barbie figure either. Still, just her attitude made her sexy because her self-esteem needed that affirmation, and she didn't respect herself enough to not be thrown on the altar of being a sex toy.
So am I off on this? Do women become men magnets by acting flirty and sexy result from a lack of self-respect and/or self-esteem that they are wiling to throw themselves at men without any kind of long term commitment to family that the act presupposes? Or is there some other dynamic I'm missing here?
And I guess that also goes back to Leona's assertions of women who become enablers for some of the same reasons.
My first semester in college, 1979, I started dating my first time seriously. And she instigated things mostly, as I was naive in the ways of dating and such, not having done any of it during high school, as it just wasn't on my radar screen as something I wanted to do. Other factors but that's mostly it.
Anyway, we dated that whole first semester, and when I came back from Christmas break, she met me and told me that she'd fallen out of love with me. Which seemed very odd to me. But we broke up at that point. By the end of the second semester, she was getting what she really wanted from me, but I was going way too slow for her. She got her Mrs. degree from another guy in school so she didn't have to go back home for the summer semester.
Well, during that first semester, despite spending hours every evening kissing and cuddling, I never once touched her breast with my hands or attempted to take her clothes off, or the like. One time she asked if she could rub my belly. I said sure. She unbuttoned my shirt and did so, slowly nudging her fingers slightly under my belt and pants, but never going more than a quarter inch in.
I think she was trying to get me going, but she didn't want to be the one to initiate sex. She wanted me to get excited and want her. The fact I didn't respond that way probably disappointed her, because she probably got the idea that I didn't want her.
But that was far from the truth. The fact of the matter was that I respected her too much to use her like that. Because I loved her, I wouldn't treat her like a sex object. What I've come to realize, is she wanted me to treat her like a sex object. She'd read one too many romance novels, and when I didn't respond like the guys in those novels, she "fell out of love" with me.
That got me to thinking, because my W so wanted the attention of men, and wanted men to notice her, and is what got her in trouble. And the first guy she had mostly an EA with, she knew he would only use her and throw her away when he was done, but she didn't care.
I was perplexed about that, because I was astounded that she didn't respect herself more than that. To me, being willing to be used as a sex object means you have zero respect for yourself, giving away the pearls of your life for a wink and a nod. I don't get it at all.
Now, I know statistics show that women tend to have more self-esteem issues than men. I know that girl I dated had some serious self-esteem issues. She would say things like, "No one would want me, my breast are too small." Despite my assurances that I loved her and didn't think they were too small, she felt unattractive. And I guess the fact I didn't want to have sex with her out of respect for her dignity as a person was translated in her mind that I didn't love her, didn't want her.
Likewise, my W was much skinner and sexier when I dated her than she was when she felt skinny and sexy before and during the affair, plus she didn't have loose skin back then due to pregnancies. But no matter how I told her back then that she wasn't fat, she didn't believe me. She felt fat and unattractive.
So I'm wondering just how much of a role women play in the whole cheating thing? I mean, of course for every man there is a woman who participated (assuming heterosexual cheating). But I'm thinking there is a dynamic here that promotes this kind of behavior.
First, you have the men who are often sex driven and want to get it anyway they can, or just the excitement of a relationship. But then there are the women who seem to send out signals, "Here I am, I'm available and want you!"
When I told my W that I do sometimes glance at women's butts, but I don't want them to see me, she stated something like most women like to know they are being appreciated. And I have to admit, why would you dress to accentuate your physical features if you didn't want them to be admired. But still, I would feel very uncomfortable if I were them dressing like that or knowing that someone was examining my butt. Not smiling and happy about it.
To me, this just shows a lack of respect for ones self, and a self-esteem that needs stoking to be willing to be treated as a sex object. I had always operated under the premise that most women didn't want to be treated that way. That they would respect themselves enough not to stoop to that level. But now I'm not sure how true that assumption is. My W was literally sending out "I'm sexy" vibes and it attracted men, even though she's not a "hot model" type body. Not bad by any means, but not the stereotypical Barbie figure either. Still, just her attitude made her sexy because her self-esteem needed that affirmation, and she didn't respect herself enough to not be thrown on the altar of being a sex toy.
So am I off on this? Do women become men magnets by acting flirty and sexy result from a lack of self-respect and/or self-esteem that they are wiling to throw themselves at men without any kind of long term commitment to family that the act presupposes? Or is there some other dynamic I'm missing here?
And I guess that also goes back to Leona's assertions of women who become enablers for some of the same reasons.
It's not that bad! I do have some issues with my body as I mentioned in my previous post, and I am not insecure about my body anymore like I used to be. If Cole uses that as an occasional illustration to say that though I don't have the body of a model he still finds me sexy, then I'm okay with that.
But it does bother me for people to blow it out of proportion and focus on it and imagine it being entirely worse than it is. That's like everyone thinking your twenty years older than you really are.
I think Cole has been punished enough by everyone here. He won't make that mistake again. Can we get back to the hugs now?
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Newsflash: Cole is a man........duh sometimes they don't get it :)
No offense Cole :)
men seem to be "nothing but the facts, ma'am" where women are more about nuance and feelings and perception and emotion.
God made us different for a reason.
Biggest thing for me here is this,, Cole has told it as he sees it, defended his position endlessly and apologized several times over to anyone who was offended. The person who was NOT offended was his wife, Gabby.
Seems to me with all of those facts in evidence that everyone needs to let it go,, and maybe do a little of there own introspection and see if maybe they aren't projecting their own feelings onto cole/gabby .
And then let it go.
There is so much more positive things than this that come out of this forum, don't ya'll think we should get back to that ?
Also the original topic of the post was lost. Self respect, or lack there off, and low self esteem issue,, which personally have played a huge role in my life.
I've already acknowledged that I didn't need to talk about her "apron" and I was wrong for mentioning it. But apparently you stopped reading and didn't get to that.
I'm not sure why I'm suddenly getting all these drive-by postings now that the thread has died down and we've mostly moved on.
((((HUGS))))
I understand that, even as I believe it shouldn't be the case. People shouldn't look at these things as flaws and being ugly. It is false values of society that foster such a view, but physical appearance isn't the most important thing in what makes someone sexy and beautiful (the main point I was making in the original post, and why I even brought it up).
When I first looked at my wife-to-be back in 1980 and became attracted to her, it wasn't because of her body primarily. It wasn't bad by any stretch of the imagination. Fairly average I guess, but what attracted me to her was her character, that she was fun to be around. And as I grew to know her better, that only deepened. I had always said to myself that I would not pick a wife and friend for life based primarily on having a sexy body. That wasn't important to me. I was more concerned about the inner beauty than the outer, because I believed even back then society put too much emphasis on the outer beauty.
My W is the greatest woman in the world, and I wouldn't trade her in for the most stunning body in the world. I would have lost big time if I could have and did. And it is one of the key reasons I'm fighting to keep her now, despite the affair.
{{{{Gabi}}}}}
I would have liked to see that last statement saying that to you.... Gabi has the most stunning body in the world... do you know what I am trying to say?
I try to discover
a little something to
make me sweeter
Oh baby refrain
from breaking my heart.
I'm so in love with you
I'll be forever blue
That you gimme no
reason why you make me
work so hard.
That you gimme no
that you gimme no
That you gimme no
that you gimme no soul.
I hear you calling
oh baby
please
give a little respect to me.
And if I should falter
would you open your arms out to me?
We can make love not war
and live at peace with our hearts.
I'm so in love with you
I'll be forever blue
What religion or reason could drive
a man to forsake his lover?
Don't you tell me no
don't you tell me no
Don't you tell me no
don't you tell me no soul.
I hear your calling
oh baby
please
give a little respect to me.
I'm so in love with you
I'll be forever blue
That you gimme no reason
you know you make me
works so hard.
That you gimme no
that you gimme no
...
I hear you calling
oh baby
please
give a little respect to me.
I could say that, Lisette, but she would know I was lying. Certainly to me she has a great body that I love because of its her body and I love her above anyone else. I don't see the point in lying, though. She'll see right through that. And I'm not a convincing liar.
But she already knows that for me, I don't want any other body than hers. She's plenty sexy enough for me. But what I said speaks volumes about how great she really is. I don't care if she did have a body that made men melt with excitement, I wouldn't love her any more than I do now. How's that?
I guess I've never seen the point of playing those games. She knows I love her and her body. Nuff said.
BTW, she really doesn't want us to keep focusing on her body. Can we just drop the subject? Sorry I ever brought it up.