Yes Free that is how it works... from what I have seen and experienced.

"Japan made CP possession 13 months ago. The US made it illegal in 1978. Most other countries were some time in between usually the 1990's."

By adding the quote above in your reply, aren't you simply pointing out that child sexual abuse was taboo for millennium and now sexual abuse via internet has arrived and so the taboo (which was long ago made into laws against in-person child sexual abuse) have been extended to include internet abuse of children (CP that poses real children for the "viewing pleasure" of the same people who before might have had to confine themselves to enjoying/ seeing/doing Child sexual abuse in person before ?) And whose to say are only doing one or the other? The Taboo existed long before laws were "invented" to express legal sanctions for breaking the taboo.

Anything can be 'taboo' . That word 'taboo' doesn't work for this issue.

Taboo and illegal are 2 different things. To some people anything can be 'taboo' even today. Eating meat is taboo for some.

if you look at your bible you'll see men giving their young daughter to strangers.. .

Hey, give me a break! Your argument sounds like "how many angels can sit on the head of a pin" and I try to stay clear of threads that go on and on. Taboo for millennium or not/ legal or not etc. etc... doesn't make child sexual abuse the Right thing to do does it? In my book adults are supposed to use their "power" to protect children / the vulnerable not use their power to take advantage of children too young to consent to "participating" Some adult men were "used like girls " when they were young and nobody recognized or gave a rip about their pain (What "Man" even wants to say that out loud?) and have struggled with anger and self pity and their own sexual issues until they sort of "justified" their own behavior when they in turn molested some other little kid when they became adults... Sort of "well he hit me first " but two wrongs do not make a right any more than it's right for the "system" to pile on more hurt and distain against sex offenders and the families (and another generation of victims) Isn't it time to stop all this sh**t rolling down hill into another generation of victims and " Offenders"?

Give you a break? I don't see you giving any one else a break. If you post something here then I can respond. Facts are facts.

taboo for 1000 years or not. . . I still don't know what you think child sexual abuse is. As far as I've seen in your posts .. my son accidentally downloading or even watching 3 seconds of one paints him as a child sex abuser.

Be clear, be correct and stop complaining when someone responds to your post. I'm not sure if you're here to be on the side of the RSO or the other at this point.

In the majority of the world Adults preventing child abuse should start looking in the home at their parents and relatives because they're the ones who are usually doing it. Not people like my son.

If this thread is not satisfying for you , no one is stopping you from posting.

If this is so obvious, then why is punishment the go to for a solution rather than stopping the cycle of abuse with Treatment?

Sitting on a head of a pin? What does that even mean?

The definition of what is 'right' vs what is considered 'criminal behavior' is all dependent on the era in which we speak in. It was common practice to marry off 13 and 14 yr old girls to 30-40 yr old men because it was about being able to support the female in that relationship, because females had no standing in society at the time. That was considered the correct way to do things by law and by the bible. There was also the consideration of lifespan and child bearing ages and abilities. Both of which were far shorter than they are now.

Religion was used not to give people faith or something to cling to for hope as it is used much of the time now, but for control of the masses. To keep people from bearing children out of wedlock, to keep other population issues in check. To keep STD type diseases from spreading (syphilis being one of the biggies that killed all sorts of people).

I don't think anyone here believes that it is justified behavior to molest another because they were molested. I believe the perpetuation of the "shit rolling downhill" is not the responsibility of the offenders and victims which in many cases are one in the same, but of those of us that were never touched at all. WE are supposed to be the ones with the clear head, the ones with the objective point of view, yet we all practice this....

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Because they will come for the rest of us...

It is us the friends and family that need to do the work... yet I don't see the state groups overflowing with those friends and family helping to change things, but I do see a lot of offenders trying to make a difference with their necks out there waiting to be slit by the next valigator.

Because it is us that hold the power, the power to vote and vote out all incumbants, the power to put pressure on local communities that try to enact residency restrictions, the power to boycott businesses that won't hire or help offenders that need a job... We have power, yet most never even think about using it.

I'm here because of some crappy laws that a few people pushed politicians to putting thru. It's not about what taboo I don't like. If my son was never prosecuted and he was able to live a normal life, I wouldn't be here. It's about the laws. Not about your 1000 taboo on men having sex with young girls. I'm not picking on you. I'm not hear to chat about men and little girls. You seem to bring that up in your posts and I responded as such.

well said Wisconsin

Aladdin, Nice try at spin, but "No soup for you".
I said what i said and I mean't it just like you interpreted it. You can have your opinions, in fact, how many times now have I said that?? However, no, you can't criticize some one for their motivations unless you've been there, sorry, but that's just how it is.
Example one; Rew talks about his experience in prison and sometimes I may have a different opinion about things he says, I say nothing, I've never been to prison so I am in no position to challenge his experiences, and do not dispute him.
Example two; I was talking with a co worker about life in the Service, he is a Vietnam and Desert Storm Vet, and I am a Desert Storm Vet. This 'person'(lazy and worthless) inserted himself into our conversation saying, "I know about Military life because my Grandfather and Uncle were in the Army". Both of us at the EXACT same time said, "No, you don't, go away".

Remember, until 4 months ago, I was an RSO too. Unlike you, unlike Advocate, I can speak from experience on both sides.
(If you doubt my RSO bonifides, I gave Advocate my RSO info a couple of years ago).

One of this site's biggest assets is its diversity among its posters, which allows everyone to bring something to the table. Hopefully, we can all pool our knowledge and learn from each other in a way that allows us to make some sense of all this mess.

It is the mothers and the mothers only that can convey their feelings of having a son in prison or dealing with the sex offender registry. Nobody can truly understand until the child they carried in the womb for nine months is now involved in this situation. Ditto for the wives and girlfriends. I cannot imagine what some of them are going through, and some have a situation in which the victim is the granddaughter and the alleged offender is the son. Now that is one of the toughest dilemmas that I could ever think of.

I have never had a loved one on the registry, certainly not someone like a son or husband, so while I know there must be a lot of emotional pain, I cannot even begin to know how they feel.

Westy was a policewoman. She understands the stresses and all the problems of being in LE. She brings her knowledge to the table. She surely has an insight that most of use could never understand.

Coastie was in a form of law enforcement and was also once a registrant. Aladdin is extremely well versed in the laws regarding sex offenders, much more so than many attorneys. I know about prisons and I speak about it as I know some of the sons and husbands here will be going to prison some day.

Wisconsin speaks of her experiences as a wife of a former inmate and a registrant.

I know I am leaving someone out. I could not even name the number of people on this very board that I have spoken to over the last three years. I could go on and on and name dozens of posters who bring something special to the board.

Everyone is important here on this board and nobody is more important than anyone else..

But the main point is that while we may be different and see things from a different point of view because of our life's experiences, we all can learn from each other.

Nobody knows everything about all things. We need each other in this fight. We are much stronger when we pull together.

Just a few thoughts.

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PS BTW, I see that we are very close to 100 posts on this thread. I hope someone else comes along and pushes us over the 100 mark.

I for one am very happy to have the LE diversity on this forum. They are not here as trolls but here to help and I respect that immensely! I have the utmost respect for them and are so pleased to have them here participating. Sure we may not exactly agree with each other but they are still here... willing to help and I respect that, (You have to give respect to get respect and I see them doing that day to do in spite of the attacks they endure..)

You people deserve more thanks than you get but I am one who benefits from your insight and would suffer from your lack of participation. So please hang in there and continue.... I know that I benefit from your insight!

Interesting tidbit here and I think West will back me up - did you know that it is not a "right" to have the Miranda recited to you? It is a condensed version of your Constitutional rights and most LE are taught to say it to you to protest themselves - not you! So in other words not having the Miranda is not a legal dismissal to an arrest (although many lawyers would argue that point and some judges may uphold that) but it is not a "right" or even required legally.

I know it all to well.... and if you aren't 'taught' your rights by either your parents or the school system you were in, more than likely it will be used to the LE advantage to extract any information out of you before you realize you are giving up your 5th amendment rights. It is what happened to my husband, as he was taught to trust the men and women in blue.

I can say now, that he'll never talk to them again without an attorney present, period.

@Coastie There was no spin it was a statement about how your comment was being perceived by others that was by your own admission a correct perception. If that offends you well can have your opinion about it but obviously since you aren't on the receiving end of your comments you can't criticize how others perceive them .

My family and I learned the hard way; being read those rights happens mostly on TV!