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Lastly I NEVER used the word hate - I said I have a healthy mistrust and I have every right to have that mistrust and not you or anyone else can take that from me -
I said i wasn't going to say more, but I have to say that you obviously did not read my last post very well at all.
Quote, "Did you actually work in LE or just go through the Academy"? End Quote, simply a question, nothing more.
People are not equal, no matter what the PC crowd will try to tell you. Not every one are cut out to be cops, doctors, teachers, you pick the career, because of mental, physical, medical or gender issues, hell, I'll never be a mother....
Quote,"If you did not ACTUALLY do the job, you can't criticize me, westdanali, or any other person who has, or GUESS our motivation for doing our jobs. Remember, we've been on both sides." End Quote.(And I stand by my quote)!!!
GUESS was the word I used, never ONCE did i say OPINION!!!! WHO PUT WORDS IN WHO'S MOUTH!!!!!!!
Now I am PISSED!!! Show me where the hell I told YOU, or anyone else they can't have an opinion!!!!
Where the hell in my post did I attack you????? Talk about cops twisting words......
Lastly, Quote,"That is the great thing about this Country, you are(As in everyone and anyone, come on, you're the professor, yes, that was an attack) free to hate anyone you want." End quote.
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I have to express my experiences.... I have only once had an experience with LE that was not focused to me as "I'm a criminal..." The only time that happened was when I had lost my Vermont license for DUI (purely my fault..) and a North Carolina LE helped me get a North Carolina license using an existing Virginia license. I should add that he was my a brother of my friend's girlfriend who smoked pot and drank moonshine.
Another time I was pulled over after LE did a u-turn to chase me 3 miles turning his lights on only once I stopped at my mailbox to check my inspection sticker. My car was 14 years old in a northern salt environment but it was legit. As he left I told him to have a nice day... Snarl! No response! I was still a criminal!
Most recently I went through a standard roadblock check for DUI at 9:00am. After providing all the proper paperwork I again wished the officer to have a nice day... Snarl... No response! I'm a criminal!
So I agree with much of what I'm hearing. You have to give respect to receive respect....
Also, Since I retired the only people in my development who even speak with me are retired LE and they couldn't be any nicer!
First... I have never seen a topic on this forum generate so much discussion. I encourage it!
I have to express my experiences.... I have only once had an experience with LE that was not focused to me as "I'm a criminal..." The only time that happened was when I had lost my Vermont license for DUI (purely my fault..) and a North Carolina LE helped me get a North Carolina license using an existing Virginia license. I should add that he was a brother of my friend's girlfriend who smoked pot and drank moonshine.
Another time I was pulled over after LE did a u-turn to chase me 3 miles turning his lights on only once I stopped at my mailbox to check my inspection sticker. My car was 14 years old in a northern salt environment but it was legit. As he left I told him to have a nice day... Snarl! No response! I was still a criminal!
Most recently I went through a standard roadblock check for DUI at 9:00am. After providing all the proper paperwork I again wished the officer to have a nice day... Snarl... No response! I'm a criminal!
So I agree with much of what I'm hearing. You have to give respect to receive respect....
Also, Since I retired the only people in my development who even speak with me are retired LE and they couldn't be any nicer!
And Coastie i am right with you about how how you feel. I guess we are in the few.
As for everyone else i respect your opinions as well as understanding what you have been through. My issue is that people have a hard time taking resposibilty for their actions. Although us as LE have to take responsibilty even though some would rather throw us under the bus.
It is not the cops fault when Johnie downloads 2 or 3 CP vs 2000. He is not innocent. Maybe its hard to fathom that your loved ones committ a sex crime. It is hard. We want to give them the benefit of the doubt. We love them. But i will not blame the system for those offenders who chose to break the law.
I hold them accountable although some dont. With that said we as family need to get through this. Quit blaming others.
I am sure this will create more posts. But i ask each and everyone of you to think about it. Think about the offender that put us all here. My only exception are those who were truly "innocent".
Denying you harmed someone (when/if you did) going on and on about how awful "they" threat you may be factual but it ignores the larger issues around sexual abuse. Getting your mother to point out how bad they hurt you is no excuse for the fact that in committing a sex offense we betrayed the very people who depended upon/ trusted us to protect them. Hence, by our own actions, we invited the LE into our lives and our family's lives and with the current laws as they are,.maybe for the rest of our lives.
Really? Because that's what happened to my son and his name is not Johnnie. The cops knew after interrogating him but they went ahead and put in his confession and prosecuted him.
You don't like people pointing fingers at you. I don't like you pointing your finger at my 'Johnnie'. And now you say my son is not innocent. ?
Where are your morals? I know where mine are. But i also know that sex offenders are human too. And i am here to support them and their families. We are all human here. And i have found that i can support, love, and forgive even though they committed a sex offense. Its time to take responsibilty where it lies.
To me and in my experiences, LE can be subdivided into two groups----1) the LE----cop, policeman or policewoman----that patrols the streets to make things safer for our citizens. I usually refer to this group as "the cop on the beat," 2) and the detectives and those in the upper tiers of LE. They are the problem. Most of the corruption arises from this second group of individuals.
The first group are respectful and helpful. I have never---not once---had any problems with the LE that patrol the neighborhoods and the downtown areas. I have gotten a few speeding tickets over the years, but I was indeed going too fast, so I cannot gripe.
This group has to interact with the citizens on a daily basis, and I think most are well respected. At least I respect them. The most important thing about them is that they are FAIR. After my release from prison, after buying groceries I stupidly locked my car keys up in the car, so I went back in to use a phone. The store manager told me that the local PD would come out to get into my car for me, which he did. The officer was very nice and polite and I really appreciated it. I was pleasantly surprised.
Many patrol officers just look at it as a job, a means to support their families, and they have no axe to grind to treat citizens badly. They don't plan to use this job for a detective or a police chief job.
Sometimes a patrol officer is involved in a shooting. Many times it is not the officer's fault as much as the other person, who stupidly put himself in a situation to get himself killed. If Michael Brown had not tried to play gangster and take away the officers gun, he would be alive today. The patrolmen really had little choice except to shoot Michael Brown. The decision that the patrolmen made that day might not have been the perfect decision, but he had to make it in a split second. I would hate to have to make decisions like that in an instant. So, no, the officer did not "gun down" Michael Brown.
Michael Brown got himself killed and he has nobody to blame but himself.
I see all these young man who get shot by the police and many of them remind me of some of the young men, especially minorities, that I saw in prison. They would walk around in bunches of five or six with their jeans hanging halfway off their butt, singing rap songs, looking around and almost daring anyone to say anything to them. I think that is what happens in some of these police shootings.
The police are important, as we are a country of law. Without them we would have a chaotic mess in our country. I respect the police that work the streets----very much----and I would not want their job or responsibility.
The second group are almost the opposite of the first group. These are the cocky detectives, the federal agents, and the Junior Storm troopers who treat citizens badly when they have a search warrant and need to do a search.
I am referring to the detectives that do interrogations.
Instead of looking at what they do as a job, they look at it as a career and are constantly looking for way to move up the ladder. It is this bunch that sometimes see citizens as the enemy and have no problem running over them if they can. Many in this group look at the United States Constitution as something they wish would just disappear.
Coastie earlier said that Advocates son did have protection or power when he spoke to the police----the Fifth Amendment. C'mon Coastie. You know better than that. A 19 year old kid who is scared and intimidated? A kid who probably is not even sure what the Fifth Amendment means? Surely you know that most of these very young kids are no match for a detective trained in interrogation. You may have wanted to make a point, but that was a little disingenuous.
The guys in the second group of LE are the trash. These guys are the ones responsible for the shooting of animals, putting guns to grandmother's heads, lying to suspects, etc. Most here know what I am talking about.
In fact, EVERYONE here knows how a detective or federal agent will abuse a citizen if and when they want them to talk. Some here may not want to admit this, but they know.
This is the very reason that nobody here who is more pro-cop than others or who tends to see the cops in a more favorable light still WOULD NOT allow their son to speak to them if they were the suspect of a crime. They know.
Even though they look at cops as mostly "fair and decent", they still would tell their son to shut up and ask for an attorney. Why is that, I wonder? If they are fair and decent, why not tell your son to talk away to his heart's content? Everyone here knows the answer to that question.
And, this second group are responsible for a lot of false confessions, which result in innocent people going to prison. If the regulars don't know how strongly I feel about innocent men going to prison, the fact that these tainted confessions bother me so much should tell you.
One only need to look at the statistics the Innocence Project gave, when they said 27% of the people who have been exonerated by DNA evidence gave false confessions. I am sure these unfortunate souls did not just give the police these false confessions all by themselves. It took a lot of lying, intimidation, and a lot of other nonsense on the part of the interrogators to finally garner a false confession.
These are the guys I have a BIG problem with. Most of them are really despicable human beings. How some of them live with themselves after they do these things, I don't know. I suppose they somehow rationalize it.
I will tell you a little conversation I had with a couple of these detectives when they wanted me to run for Police Commissioner. I knew both detectives fairly well, went to school with one of them, in fact. We sat down and one of them said, "Now REW, you know we have a big drug problem here in our town and we need a strong commissioner to help us fight this problem. We MAY NOT ALWAYS do things by the book, but sometimes we know these guys are guilty and we only do an investigation because we have to by law. Sometimes we put a little PRESSURE on them and do things OUR WAY to get 'these bad guys' put away. After all, nobody wants these bad guys to be selling drugs to our children."
That told me that there was a lot of monkey business going on in the PD. I did not want the Police Commissioner's job anyways. Too political and I already had a career.
This is the kind of guys that make up the second bunch-----the detectives and higher echelon of LE. They are so arrogant that they think they know that the suspect is always guilty and needs to be put away by any means.
That is just wrong. After my false conviction, things like that really bother me. We have to give every person charged with a crime the same rights as the rest of the citizens.
I respect every person on this board. I don't always agree with them, and I know they think I am wrong also----and I am wrong sometime.
I understand where Coastie, Westy, and bsmom are coming from. They know that the majority of people in LE are decent. I agree that the patrolmen are but the detectives are pure, unadulterated trash.
I have seen too much to believe otherwise.
So everyone in this discussion is right to a point. Sometimes we just have to stop and think which department we refer to when we say cops are bad cops.
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