Parkinson's Disease Support Group
Parkinson's disease is a movement disorder often characterized by muscle rigidity, tremor, a slowing of physical movement, and in extreme cases, a loss of physical movement. The primary symptoms of Parkinsons are due to excessive muscle contraction, normally caused by the insufficient formation and action of dopamine, which is produced in the dopaminergic neurons of the...
You might have read my rather negative responses to God belief, it is not meant in a nasty way, please please believe that. These are thoughts from me , a realist
If you have read at all what l have posted. in response to anyone has posted about God .. Please put me the cynical one on your prayer list, and tell me when i have been prayed for,,,,,,, and i will tell you if it has made a difference.
As i dont believe it will make any difference at all.
I have posted to some discussions, the following thoughts
1. I believe in God firstly, as something had to create us
2. Has anyone ever researched the Bible in its entirety, how it became to be, who had the input, how so many testaments were written, but the learned of that time only chose the popular testaments. How the Church over time has doctored the Bible so much beyond how it was originally written. , ( Because I have researched these things ) is it blind faith by what you have read from this doctored book, that is not true and correct, as to what was originally written .
2. God will not cure us of any disease, we will have to endure a life of pd, and then die, and not go to heaven anyway, as if you know your bible well only the chosen few go to heaven,,, the rest of us , well who knows where we go , as we wont end up in heaven ??? So what and why are we believing in??
3. Prayer does not help, it is the actions of individuals that make a difference, this is not God. This is concious thought by individuals, not influenced by God, even though they think they might be, it is basically called compassion ..
4. God ??? if this entity was gracious and kind would not have afflicted anyone with this disease, or anyone with any disease!
This scenario does not draw you closer to God, it might potentially draw you closer to others who are suffering all who are wishing for something greater, but nothing greater is there. And yes, i also know that God does not give us dieseases, but if god were the greater power, well there would be no diseases!
5. We are humans living in the human world, this is a disease, thats it,,, It is just that, no-one can cure PD , maybe science has a chance.
6.If heaven is everyones true belief , holding onto and thinking we all die and go to heaven, and all will now be perfect? Please think again
Yes i have also read about Heaven in the Bible, have you???) !!(which if you know your bible well , we wont go there, only for the chosen few) So we have to endure a physical life of PD, nothing will change, we wont go to heaven... If you ask me, i will gladly find the passage in the bible that states this fact.
7. I wish everyone would stop fooling themselves, with this God thing
8. Please dont hate me for my opinion.
9. Come on convince me, educate me with what you know, but dont be pissed at me when l come back to you with my thoughts
10. Lets call this healthy debate, of which i just might lose some Daily strength friends, or no not really l hope, as you all should be loving and forgiving
11. Gosh yes me the total cynic
If you have read at all what l have posted. in response to anyone has posted about God .. Please put me the cynical one on your prayer list, and tell me when i have been prayed for,,,,,,, and i will tell you if it has made a difference.
As i dont believe it will make any difference at all.
I have posted to some discussions, the following thoughts
1. I believe in God firstly, as something had to create us
2. Has anyone ever researched the Bible in its entirety, how it became to be, who had the input, how so many testaments were written, but the learned of that time only chose the popular testaments. How the Church over time has doctored the Bible so much beyond how it was originally written. , ( Because I have researched these things ) is it blind faith by what you have read from this doctored book, that is not true and correct, as to what was originally written .
2. God will not cure us of any disease, we will have to endure a life of pd, and then die, and not go to heaven anyway, as if you know your bible well only the chosen few go to heaven,,, the rest of us , well who knows where we go , as we wont end up in heaven ??? So what and why are we believing in??
3. Prayer does not help, it is the actions of individuals that make a difference, this is not God. This is concious thought by individuals, not influenced by God, even though they think they might be, it is basically called compassion ..
4. God ??? if this entity was gracious and kind would not have afflicted anyone with this disease, or anyone with any disease!
This scenario does not draw you closer to God, it might potentially draw you closer to others who are suffering all who are wishing for something greater, but nothing greater is there. And yes, i also know that God does not give us dieseases, but if god were the greater power, well there would be no diseases!
5. We are humans living in the human world, this is a disease, thats it,,, It is just that, no-one can cure PD , maybe science has a chance.
6.If heaven is everyones true belief , holding onto and thinking we all die and go to heaven, and all will now be perfect? Please think again
Yes i have also read about Heaven in the Bible, have you???) !!(which if you know your bible well , we wont go there, only for the chosen few) So we have to endure a physical life of PD, nothing will change, we wont go to heaven... If you ask me, i will gladly find the passage in the bible that states this fact.
7. I wish everyone would stop fooling themselves, with this God thing
8. Please dont hate me for my opinion.
9. Come on convince me, educate me with what you know, but dont be pissed at me when l come back to you with my thoughts
10. Lets call this healthy debate, of which i just might lose some Daily strength friends, or no not really l hope, as you all should be loving and forgiving
11. Gosh yes me the total cynic
First you say you do then you say you don't. Let me tell you why I believe in God. I believe someone had to make this world, and you agree to that. I believe God is love. In that he allows unpleasant things to happen to us, but he is there to comfort and guide us through these times. Remember he has given us free will. That means it is up to us to decide. He knows every hair on your head. Who else would know your inner thoughts and dreams. Your children, that's God, he gave you them and the free will to raise them as you see fit always knowing you could take them to him for help. Lastly why did God allow you to have pd. I don't know why you or why me. I can just say that since I have had pd I have started writing all the time. Before I was to busy to take the time, and 98% of my writing goes for plays at the church. If you get a chance take out the book A Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren from the library. I don't agree with all of his ideas in other circumstances but this is a wonderful book for questions about why you are here. It explains things much better than I. God doesn't make mistakes he has a purpose for you. I will get off my soap box now.
Ya know I luv ya, Sass
I know there are fanatics in all walks and ways of life. I am not one. If anything, I am a procrastinating beach bum. I like to let others live their lives as they see fit, and believe as they wish. My only responsibility is my life and my beliefs.
I believe in "God" for many reasons, I wont go into here, just not necessary. Here's how I look at life and what I tell my kids.
"will it hurt?" When you're deciding on whether or not to take any action, ask yourself, "does it hurt to do it?" "Will I be better off or worse off for doing it??
If it doesn't hurt me to believe God exists and God helps and heals and loves, I have decided to go with it...
If it doesn't work for you, that's your decision...but "does it hurt to hope and believe?" What do you have to lose? If there is no heaven, or you don't end up there, will it hurt once you are dead? YOu're dead, if there's no heaven, you're in dirt with no feelings, no thinking, no nothin. If you're in heaven, you go "well, hey, they were right, here I am...!"
Not too complicated, eh? In my life I have questioned ...why??? Why God???? no answer. So I try to find an answer. And my answer to my mom's miracle is that He directed me to think clearly enough to find new doctors and proceedures to help her instead of following the advice of the bad guys...I did't buckle and take her home for hospice..I researched, I kept working at it, with very little mental and emotional strength left...I believe God helped me help her....
Peachy, you ARE a peachy, I love ya no matter what you say or think, you're a lovely person with a nasty, nasty disease. But, you remain lovely in our eyes. hugs and kisses and strong shoulders and vibes to you sweetie xo
I totally understand you on this one, particularly now that my wife and I have been excommunicated from the Unitarian church.
What can be more pathetic than a lapsed Unitarian? I cannot even imagine! (We were way late on our dues and tithing, but they handled this badly. We have had hardships and could have made a deal, the letter we got was kind of nasty.)
And yet... Sass, your comments, as always, were totally on point. I think Peachy does believe in God, as do I, but sometimes we get frustrated with posts about prayer... or something like that.
In our former church-- the principles of which I agree with, or many of them-- the kingdom of heaven is not denied to those who do good works, live by the principles all of us innately know to be correct (perhaps something like the ten commandments, though I agree with you, P, that they are often twisted and miscommunicated over the centuries, totally fair point.)
I will not abandon God because our church has abandoned me. I will also not abandon my faith because of the challenges my mother faces with this disease-- or what I saw her go through tonight. ( I can tell you about it later-- she's okay now-- I don't want to bring you down now. )
This is about courage. I thought I was tough playing a show on the Sunset Strip a few weeks ago, even with an autoimmune disorder... fingers cramping, memory playing tricks on me... but compared to my mom, compared to you guys, I'm still a weenie! A wimp! I have so much to learn from you. If I can be half as strong as you guys are, I will have learned a lot.
You will not lose friends, I think, Peach. And you have the freedom to worship the Big Guy however you wish. I don't think anyone would give you a hard time about that, particularly here.
Parkinsons sucks. I want to drown it, shoot it, kill it a dozen different ways, and I think God will forgive my rage as well.
Thanks for posting. I have had many thoughts on crises of faith in the last few weeks, and I was very interested to hear your thoughts.
--Catalyzt
A simple relationship with your own God is far more valuable (in my opinion) than a dozen of these organized religions. I'm sorry, dont mean to offend anyone's religion.
I have just been so disappointed by men of the cloth. I can say, they are human. So, that's what I say, and I go around them, sort of just "going over their heads" and go right to God with my prayers and my worship.
Been thrown out of the Catholic church, when I needed them the most. 30 years later a traveling priest welcomed me back in and said I deserved to be back in, ....? Huh? What about those 30 years? Men of the cloth booted me out, another one welcomed me back in...But...God?? He never booted me out and I never left him...
Just a true relationship with your God is what I recommend for anyone. I could be wrong, and may be sorry someday, but for right now, it works for me. And I tell people what he's done for me and my mom, they can take it from there. Everyone has their own free will.
Organised houses of religion are so confusing, they dont actually in my humble opinion do what the bible professes. I have been to churches. I actually asked for my children to be baptised when they were young, and was told by the church that i needed God parents, well l had none, so the priest would not do it... What an idiot!
So i baptised them myself, and because i meant it at the time, i think i did a better job than the priest.
Also what is to go with,,,, Catholic churches, you confess to a man, he says you have sinned, confess to God, and by the way pay some penance money... Corrupt !
God i am thinking just might be, and should be pure love.
But why has he forsaken me, and us.
God knows i do pray, not just for myself, for all of us. I truely want this dreadful disease to stop
I was having a bad bad moment when i posted that
If I didn't believe in God, I would feel so alone. I'm just making an observation, wondering what others think.
I think that's one of the single greatest reasons that a belief in God is important. Without hope where would any of us be - the sick or the healthy?
I'm not the most religious person on the face of the earth but I've oftentimes wondered what atheists do in the face of hopelessness. Do they simply throw in the towel and give up?
Whether or not there is truly a God and whether or not he answers prayers, I do know this much. At times when all is seemingly lost - hope and belief that a greater being is by your side is what gives one the strength to see it through.
exactly...that's what I get.
The Christian god, with it's concept of original sin, is kind of suspect. What a nifty way for an imperfect god to lay the blame for his/her creation's bugs on it's inhabitants.
So how do I go on without a religion? Smiles are the same, laughter the same, arguments the same, sadness etc. Some relationships good, some bad. Hopes, modified with realism, persist. What's different is my bodily decline; bit by bit I grow further apart from people who move "normally," and I'm quite conscious of it. I still believe in living for the moment rather than a hereafter. I can't see how interjecting a god in the picture would alter my outlook. That being the case I spend a good deal of the time enraged. I may need that anger to push for promoting research in PD.
A long time ago I knew a little it about existentialists. Don't remember much but I believe their philosophy applies here. Have to recheck.
If I ever get enlightened DS will be the first to know.