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I frequently see cp discussed on here so maybe there will be some input to shed light on something that really bothers me. First off, porn has never bothered me and I've often imbibed in viewing it myself,however I go to two sites only that I know are clean and have done so since a teenager(I. Don't wanna see weird shit and I don't wanna wreck my computer!!). I don't understand how someone can look at porn sights that obviously aren't clean- adware, viruses, redirect you too illegal/ CP. I've seen it happen,and it seems like common sense to me that if one encounters a site like that,one would NEVER revisit the site?!!
and isn't it common knowledge that more often than not, porn sites carry viruses and malware, so you have to be very cautious to avoid ruining your computer?!
I had an ex who I would see in his browser history,pages with pictures and videos off VERY OBVIOUSLY well under18 yr old girls, sometimes little kids, mixed in with the "normal" porn on said site. It was usually not the same site though, but they were always compilation sites (videos and pictures divided by category)and the CP would be plain as day on the home page under "teen" or "amature". A couple times there was a site or two that looked like links listed to only illegal (child and snuff), no other normal porn.
He would SWEAR two things:
"The web sites say 18 and over , all over the place,and I don't think those women look anything under18" but I'm sorry, what illegal porn site is going to admit to being under 18 or illegal!! (Granted,I know they're our there,and in fact DID note some times the titles would say "ILLEGAL" or "6yr old girl etc..") BUT WHAT PERSON IN THEIR RIGHT MIND THINKS THAT LOOKS LIKE AN ADULT? How can that be rationalized???
H would also say these sites were not the original sites he was using, but that they would pop up as a result of a hacked link redirect,and then when that would happen,he'd immediately exit of that site . Now,I know that DOES happen, but WHY then keep going to the original site that has proved untrustworthy??? (Unless you're anticipating/hoping for that to happen..)
If the desired result is not child porn (which of course he'd deny for the 18+yrs old. Posted disclaimer) wouldn't common sense dictate that this wouldn't keep happening if he chose to stick with safe sites??
The more I read about CP on here,the mishaps of people both innocent and guilty,the more I don't understand how and why CP happens,of both the innocent and guilty....
Was this man a CP addict or something? And if so,how could he bold faced lie to me so poorly, or expect me to believe his denials???? He was a compulsive liar, but I'm in NO way frilly or girlychild like in my appearance (very curvy, woman body) and sex life and physical chemistry were great. This plagues my mind...
Sorry if this post is tmi for some...but I just don't understand CP or my encounter with it with my ex
and isn't it common knowledge that more often than not, porn sites carry viruses and malware, so you have to be very cautious to avoid ruining your computer?!
I had an ex who I would see in his browser history,pages with pictures and videos off VERY OBVIOUSLY well under18 yr old girls, sometimes little kids, mixed in with the "normal" porn on said site. It was usually not the same site though, but they were always compilation sites (videos and pictures divided by category)and the CP would be plain as day on the home page under "teen" or "amature". A couple times there was a site or two that looked like links listed to only illegal (child and snuff), no other normal porn.
He would SWEAR two things:
"The web sites say 18 and over , all over the place,and I don't think those women look anything under18" but I'm sorry, what illegal porn site is going to admit to being under 18 or illegal!! (Granted,I know they're our there,and in fact DID note some times the titles would say "ILLEGAL" or "6yr old girl etc..") BUT WHAT PERSON IN THEIR RIGHT MIND THINKS THAT LOOKS LIKE AN ADULT? How can that be rationalized???
H would also say these sites were not the original sites he was using, but that they would pop up as a result of a hacked link redirect,and then when that would happen,he'd immediately exit of that site . Now,I know that DOES happen, but WHY then keep going to the original site that has proved untrustworthy??? (Unless you're anticipating/hoping for that to happen..)
If the desired result is not child porn (which of course he'd deny for the 18+yrs old. Posted disclaimer) wouldn't common sense dictate that this wouldn't keep happening if he chose to stick with safe sites??
The more I read about CP on here,the mishaps of people both innocent and guilty,the more I don't understand how and why CP happens,of both the innocent and guilty....
Was this man a CP addict or something? And if so,how could he bold faced lie to me so poorly, or expect me to believe his denials???? He was a compulsive liar, but I'm in NO way frilly or girlychild like in my appearance (very curvy, woman body) and sex life and physical chemistry were great. This plagues my mind...
Sorry if this post is tmi for some...but I just don't understand CP or my encounter with it with my ex
Nothing is ever free. These sites make their money by the click with advertisers. It doesn't matter whether it was intentional or a pop-up. A hit is a hit.
Unless you have a paid subscription to a site you should have no expectation of "Safe porn." And even then it would be better to buy the magazines. (If they even still exist? But then who buys them for the articles?)
That said, you're right, there are ads all over the place on the free sites...and even if you don't click on them, but they show a picture under the "category" then you just put it on your computer....heck you wouldn't even have to scroll down to that link....if you went to the page then it's in your history. They probably wouldn't come looking for you just for that, but if you DID go to a known CP site or have some other instance in your life that might lead someone to believe you were up to no good, then with a search warrant you're done. Whether you meant to or not.
Another point I'd like to post is that LE doesn't pounce on single site hits... there are bigger fish to fry!
Honest mistakes do happen! Only repeated visits to the same blacklisted sites (called traffic analysis..) . Reason being is that a lot of sites purposely name their sites very close to legitimate site names. For instance... Don't go to whitehouse.com instead of whitehouse.gov or don't go to homedepot.com while missing to type the "M"...
Sometimes even Google searches for something as simple as "Ice Cream Social" can provide porn site links if you don't have Google search results filtered....
you can pick up CP in so very many places and you would have full confidence that those sites were safe. but they're not. an innocent picture that you download for an art project or simply because you like the picture can have a hidden file of CP in it. peer to peer sharing sites have a lot of CP embedded in the shares, ie 'limewire' and a few others have those hidden files too. and then again you have deliberate files tacked onto innocent files. those 'deliberate files' more than likely have been placed there by the fbi and are traps. stop and think of all the crap going on in FL right now with CP. the innocent guys getting nailed. have you ever checked out the files in your computer? seen one and thought, "hmmmm? i wonder what that is or what what does"? if you are in the habit of downloading stuff from the internet? one of those strange files could be CP. and it could be a trap placed there by the fbi. and trust me they don't care if you got that file by accident or not. once you open that file and the trap is sprung and the fbi are alerted? your ass is grass.
there are plenty of stories out there of innocent people getting nailed for accidentally downloading something then finding another file with CP. once you open that file, according to the fbi you are guilty. just as guilty whether it was intentional or by accident.
one was about a photographer who was doing an advertising campaign for a big eye glass chain. when he opened the file and saw what it was he got rid of it. that didn't matter to the fbi and he was arrested. he had deleted it but even tho you delete something it is still in your hard-drive and retrievable if you know what your doing. another one was a young teen who downloaded some music and with it was another file. he told his dad and the dad deleted it. but..... dad was very into computers and worked in the ITT field. he totally wiped the hard-drive, not once but 3 times. he then 'cleaned' all of his stuff because all of their devices were networked. when the fbi showed up they arrested him and confiscated every electronic device capable of accessing the net. but because he had cleaned the hard-drives of all of the internet capable devices at home, they couldn't show any proof that he was guilty. 'they' knew, but couldn't prove it. his case and arrest was thrown out, tho they did try hard to get him with something. once you download something that they have trapped they simply wait until the alert that it's been opened. and once opened it's just the same as taking possession and saying that you own it. accidentally or on purpose, it doesn't matter.
i still have the laptop i was using back before the fbi showed up. the screen died on it and i bought a new one. so when they did check mine out it was clean, i had only had it for like 4 or 5 months. but to tell you the truth i am scared now of my old one. i am lucky tho. i do know of someone who can wipe the hard drive of my old one totally clean. i am going to be taking it to him to fix and make sure that there is nothing left on it except for the browser. my daughter and i both use to use some of the peer to peer file sharing sights, so yeah i'm nervous about it. i don't in any way believe or think that she would have downloaded anything on my laptop. but there's no saying that i didn't or couldn't have actually and accidentally pick something nasty up.
if you should happen to find a file that you do not remember downloading? or one that you might think looks different or strange? i don't think i would open that puppy! i no longer go looking thu any files on my laptop on a whim or out of curiosity.
"How many of you have every caught a computer virus?.... (Looking around the room I see several hands go up..) I then ask "Why did you download it?"... Silence...
It's just as easy to get infected with CP as it is to get a virus. I can put any file I want on your computer just by getting you to click on a website. That being said once you get it how do you remove it?:
A hard drive stores information using a master index that tells the PC where data can be stored. Deleting a file only tells the index that space is available... it does NOT delete the data! You can even format the hard drive or delete the partition and the data can still be retrieved!
The only way you can cleanse the data is to over write it. Here is a free program that does just that. http://eraser.heidi.ie/ What is does is to over write available space with gibberish. You can do this by individual file or folder or the entire free space of a hard drive.
What is left for forensics are 1's & 0's. This is a department of Defense certified program to delete top secret data.
So anyone out there that has suspected CP or any other potentially incriminating data this program will make it unable to be read.
I'm not stating this to encourage illegal use but to help you wipe your tracks should you find incriminating evidence....
Frogpond I disagree...If the sites were shut down (And we have the capability to do so!) There wouldn't be so many CP convictions. Instead the sites are monitored or taken over to entrap low hanging fruit to fill our prisons. I've not heard of a single site that was shut down with being used for a time to reel in more suspects. before being shut down. We know where these sites are and can easily block them in real-time.
The FBI actually allowed child porn to be traded and shared while they monitored the site.
http://tinyurl.com/mv5ayfm
There is another one I remember reading about. I think it might have been the one in Nebraska.
But the FBI has also been known to plant a form of malware of people's computers who visited certain sites. They used a JavaScript exploit to unmask some Tor users last August.
http://tinyurl.com/llrkwfx
http://tinyurl.com/m38f8f3
http://tinyurl.com/mpyogv5
http://tinyurl.com/q5rld57
http://tinyurl.com/kbmzlmo
Interesting reading.
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The malware attack referred to in this article is completely separate from the two other times the FBI seized a server offering child porn and ran the site.
http://tinyurl.com/mpyogv5
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