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I read a lot every day and I am constantly amazed---saddened actually---to see the lengths some states will go to arrest someone on a sex crime.
This gentleman apparently wrote a fictional story of him have sexual contact with three girls in his church congregation. His wife was putting an ink cartridge in the printer and out popped this sheet of paper with the story on it.
http://tinyurl.com/pssfyvu
http://tinyurl.com/nvqxqvl
So it has come to this----basically prosecuting someone for their inner thoughts.
Did the wife confront her husband about it? Nope, straight to the police. I would think anyone with any sense would have shown him the story and allowed him to explain the paper she found. She even later told the police that several times she saw him viewing pornography on his computer.
Oklahoma apparently has a statute making it against the law to write about fiction stories regarding children. They call it "Possession of Obscene or Indecent Writings." And apparently it is treated like child pornography.
In fact in one article I read, it was equated to child pornography.
Now here is a guy who is just writing his thoughts on a piece of paper. Now let's remember that this story was only a fantasy, a thought in his mind, and there was not evidence that he would commit a crime.
Was what he was writing about distasteful? Probably Icky? For certain. But there were no pictures and it was just his thoughts.
My God, are we now prosecuting thought crimes in this country? Even if you find it terrible that he wrote such a story, it should not have been illegal.
Many people who want to prosecute CP with ridiculous sentences usually point to two things they want us to believe----------1) that every time the image of a child is viewed, it re-victimizes the child, and 2) by downloading the images, it creates a demand for more images to be made.
So I ask, what child was re-victimized in this story? Since it was purely fiction and there was no indication that Mr. Jones planned b a sexual assault against anyone, I ask----what child was re-victimized here?
And did him writing and creating the thoughts in his mind cause a demand and more to be produced?
My fellow friends, this is just a silly law they have passed to give an excuse to arrest more people they "think" "might possibly" "someday" "in the right circumstance" harm a child.
Another aspect of this story is that the wife, after she found the story, went straight to the cops.
I don't even know what to say when I read these articles.
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This gentleman apparently wrote a fictional story of him have sexual contact with three girls in his church congregation. His wife was putting an ink cartridge in the printer and out popped this sheet of paper with the story on it.
http://tinyurl.com/pssfyvu
http://tinyurl.com/nvqxqvl
So it has come to this----basically prosecuting someone for their inner thoughts.
Did the wife confront her husband about it? Nope, straight to the police. I would think anyone with any sense would have shown him the story and allowed him to explain the paper she found. She even later told the police that several times she saw him viewing pornography on his computer.
Oklahoma apparently has a statute making it against the law to write about fiction stories regarding children. They call it "Possession of Obscene or Indecent Writings." And apparently it is treated like child pornography.
In fact in one article I read, it was equated to child pornography.
Now here is a guy who is just writing his thoughts on a piece of paper. Now let's remember that this story was only a fantasy, a thought in his mind, and there was not evidence that he would commit a crime.
Was what he was writing about distasteful? Probably Icky? For certain. But there were no pictures and it was just his thoughts.
My God, are we now prosecuting thought crimes in this country? Even if you find it terrible that he wrote such a story, it should not have been illegal.
Many people who want to prosecute CP with ridiculous sentences usually point to two things they want us to believe----------1) that every time the image of a child is viewed, it re-victimizes the child, and 2) by downloading the images, it creates a demand for more images to be made.
So I ask, what child was re-victimized in this story? Since it was purely fiction and there was no indication that Mr. Jones planned b a sexual assault against anyone, I ask----what child was re-victimized here?
And did him writing and creating the thoughts in his mind cause a demand and more to be produced?
My fellow friends, this is just a silly law they have passed to give an excuse to arrest more people they "think" "might possibly" "someday" "in the right circumstance" harm a child.
Another aspect of this story is that the wife, after she found the story, went straight to the cops.
I don't even know what to say when I read these articles.
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The AWA was passed in both Houses by unanimous vote.. BTW, both the Senate and the House of Reps. were controlled by the Democrats. Speaker "Plastic Face" Pelosi and Majority Leader "Scary Harry" Reid in charge.
Be careful of what you wish for.
Let's get political for one second here:
Ok who remembers when George W. Bush was trying to make a buzzword out of "compassionate conservative" and that he was one? I haven't heard this term much after the election year.
And who has heard the term "bleeding heart liberal"? This term is used a lot more to describe liberals and their policies of wanting to give others a second chance and help the people that are not well off.
One of these terms is an actual term that means something and one is gobbledygook. Now granted both sides are not big supporters of our movement at this present time, BUT if you had guess which one would ever be more likely to help us out would you choose a compassionate conservative or a bleeding heart liberal?
Case closed.
Utah, the reddest of 'Red' states, headquarters to the Mormon church. Some of the most restrictive(and bizarre) alcohol laws in the country, yet, no residency restrictions, Leg. hasn't passed a restriction in 7 yrs. Utah has 10ys, 25yr and lifetime.
Sorry my friend but I'd clearly choose the most conservative state in the country over the most liberal one.
Case reopened.
Are the ones trying to undo what Janice has accomplished, and override court rulings by finding loopholes.
When it comes to elections, I have been looking more at Dems, but prefer libertarians
There is not one person on this forum who agrees with you that republicans are more likely to join our cause over democrats.
I don't recall ever saying that the R's are better than the D's, in fact, I have jumped on both on this issue, but you did prove that liberals are ALWAYS right and they get nasty when they are shown facts that don't jive with their rhetoric... Just like you, I can point to New York, Ohio, Wisconsin, Illinois etc.., all blue states that are pretty restrictive. Ohio tried to pass a law requiring green license plates for SO' introduced by state Senator Kevin Coughlin)R) in the Senate and, OOPS, Rep Michael DeBose(D) in the house.
Again, back to another post, the Democrats, with the majority controlled Senate and House UNANIMOUSLY passed the AWA, I don't care if you try to spin it using a pinwheel, you can't change the facts.
Outlier? Really, your spin is getting me dizzy. California is the MOST LIBERAL state in the country, followed closely by NY...
We could go round for round on this and all i'll do is make you madder because I will give you facts to rebut your rhetoric so what's the point??/
We can continue this if you want, but I have to go to bed, 4:30 comes early and I'm an unapologetic Capitalist, so good night.
This may be reversed in other states.
I personally used to be a conservative Rep. After going through all of this BS, I see things differently. I consider myself as a moderate. I lean conservative in govt spending, and liberal in social issues. In the last election, I voted for both conservatives and liberals....
My post merely wanted to point out that red vs blue doesn't mean a darn thing when it comes to SO laws.
Just my opinion.
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Write to them Rew just as eloquently as you write other articles and let them see our side of things and how wearing a scarlet letter doesn't just affect the perpetrator but the families, especially their children.
I am writing as fast as I can. I write anywhere from one to three letters a day, almost every day, to someone in power, stating our position on issues.
I am also educating people to the uselessness of the registry and all its restrictions whenever I can.
There is not a day that goes by that I don't contact someone in an attempt to make life easier for not only the registrants, but their families as well.
I can only do so much.
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You do not recall? Funny it seems whenever someone says that liberals are a better option for the supreme court you just happen to say that even liberals are against SO’s. I posed the question in my first response would you rather trust a compassionate conservative or a bleeding heart liberal. Your response was that California has bad SO laws. So while you have never overtly said that Republican’s are better than dems, you tend to always point out the fact dems are not our friends as well.
“Just like you, I can point to New York, Ohio, Wisconsin, Illinois etc.., all blue states that are pretty restrictive. Ohio tried to pass a law requiring green license plates for SO' introduced by state Senator Kevin Coughlin)R) in the Senate and, OOPS, Rep Michael DeBose(D) in the house.
Again, back to another post, the Democrats, with the majority controlled Senate and House UNANIMOUSLY passed the AWA, I don't care if you try to spin it using a pinwheel, you can't change the facts.
Outlier? Really, your spin is getting me dizzy. California is the MOST LIBERAL state in the country, followed closely by NY...
We could go round for round on this and all i'll do is make you madder because I will give you facts to rebut your rhetoric so what's the point??”
I am not trying to spin it any way. The laws are bad all over for RSOs. My point is if you had to bet who could eventually come over to our side and support us who would you pick?
My God, Alito was a federal prosecutor and Roberts was the one who argued against us in the Smith vs Doe case in 2003.
Hell, just read the opinions that have been handed down over the years. It is evident and in black and white.
People can argue all they want, but that is just a fact.
The Conservatives of the Supreme Court have watered down voting laws, the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Fourteenth amendment over the years and the Robert's court is the most conservative in years.
If I had the time, I could find several cases in which the Conservative justices voted to water down the Fourth Amendment----Search and Seizure----the Fifth Amendment----Miranda Warnings----the Sixth Amendment---Confrontation Clause and Right to an Attorney----and the Fourteenth Amendment.
The four justices that continue to interpret the law against sex offenders were all appointed by a conservative Republican president. Keep that in mind.
Conservatives on the Supreme Court-----Alito, Roberts, Thomas, and Scalia----are not our friends and anyone who thinks they are just are not dealing with reality.
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