Lately I have been BURNED by a cupla supposed Christians, like I KNOW Jesus wouldn't do anything NEAR what these hypocrites have...granted I was "stupid" for being kind....I'm trying not to be hardened by these experience but I surely am a lot more REALISTIC and CAREFUL. One church going fella I know BORROWED over $1200.oo for car ins. for a year and promised to pay me back. I had gotten retroactve pay from Soc Sec Disability so of course he saw me coming.....AND we were supposedly "going out"(yeah right)...Now he's trying to portray it like I'm a scorned woman becuz I dare to tell him it's time he paid me back (over a year, yeah I think it's time)and tells me he owes me NOTHING. and only verbal agreement so doubtful small claims court can address this c***. ANYWAY I'm not feeling too "forgiving", and I don't know how what where when why but somehow some way he's gonna WISH this were a simple smal claims court matter. Makes me SICK. I was stupid, he looks at kindness as a weakness, shame on Mr. Churchgoing guy, just uses church as a place to TROLL and take advantage of dumb F's like me. thx for listening

It is sad to say that not everyone that goes to church or is a church member, is a Christian. We are not to judge but, the Bible says by their fruits, we shall know them. If this man borrowed this money from you, he owes it and should pay it back, no questions asked.

It is these who do this that give true Christians a bad name. As a believer, there will be a payback for this man. You reap what you sow.

What kind of payback?

Stevie,

That is not for me to decide. If this man is a Christian, what he has done is not right. The Bible says that God Chastises those whom He loveth. So, by being dishonest with the woman, he is placing himself in the way of God's chastisement.

It's like when we were kids, if we went against my father's rules and his word, then punishment was to follow. Man thinks he can get by with things but, he doesn't. God is just and this man will answer to Him.

Real, I'd say take him to small claims court! Nobody should get a debt forgiven just because they are good at not paying you back!

I meant "it's not for men to decide, not me to decide"
Man's ways are not God's ways. I don't understand what His ways are all the time but, I agree with Sidecar. There will be a payday, someday.

Biker,

I am glad somebody agrees with me. Pepperman, that's a good idea if they accept verbal agreements as a binding contract. Some places do and some don't. I don't know what her state laws are but, it is certainly worth a try. Maybe, it will teach this guy a lesson due to the embarassment of being drug into court.

Thank you for your replies, I don't think without some kind of signed promissary note I'd have a chance in court since it's "only" a verbal agreement. A few people have told me to cut my losses and live and learn which I probably have to do. However, and frm what I see from a cupla of your profiles, well, likely have some friends in common and lucky and blessed for me, the're on my side if you will.....like I said, small claims is least of his wories...(yeah right I'm so tuff) Anyway thnk you it helps just to know that others empathize and recognize how foul is is for anyone to do this to another human being. Take care, Valerie aka realwolverine

A verbal contract is binding, but it is not as good as a written one.

Based on "the People's Court" (take this for what it is only!!!) the thing the laws looks for is do you both agree that the money for his insurance came from you, and could it be considered to be a gift.

If you were living as man and wife, then it could even be considered a joint bill.

But back to the gift thing, he would have to establish that such a gift from you to him was appropriate based on your relationship. For example, if you routinely spent $1,200 on gifts for each other he may have a case. But if your gifts to each other were more in the $20 price range, then he should have NO case!

Hope you are able to get it back from him!

In Nebraska a verbal agreement is binding, and can be used in court, there's just a matter of statute of limitations. If it's been too long, you're screwed no matter what. I just don't know how long that time is..

Anywho, I don't know where your from, but it might be a good idea to check it out, and find out for sure. What have you got to lose? If you can't do anything, at least you tried....

THANK yoU Pepperman and LuluPapa! I think I have me a case on this note! I watch People's Court also :-) I'm in California, I'm moving from Lassen County to Shasta County after Jan 1 so I think I will wait till I'm in Shasta County to have him served, then he will have to drive 2 hours to appear in court to LOSE. This loan was a year and 1/2 ago so I'll hafta ck statute of limitations to be sure. and the jurisdiction thing to make sure I can file suit from another county where I will be residing. It will be EASY to prove it was MY MONEY from MY ACCOUNT from bank records etc., and no we did not live together, "kind of going steady" if one could even call itthat, more like he thought he was a real casa nova who thinks he's doing women a favor by gracing them with his presence - - - I think not - - - live and learn (ongoing it seems!) thank you very much I appreciate your help on this, Valerie

Drive thru confessionals! I love it!!!!!!! How about a bacon double pardon for my sins? Can I get fries with that?

We all f up, regardless of religion. We all need to forgive and love each other and do better next time. Anger hurts the person bearing it as well as the person receiving it. I'm not religious, but the Bible does say that we aren't to judge.

If somebody owes you money, get it back, but don't waste time and energy on negative emotion if you can help it.

I've been asking a lot of questions at some Christian DS sites, about the bible and Jesus. I am wondering about how Jesus could be the only way, like I've been told. I have read some of the New Testament, and I don't like some of it - it is harsh, but some is very interesting. I think this discussion is really about ethics, in retrospect.

How do you live what you believe?

Well, I thought I would join you people tonight, since I am bonafide depressed right now. Usually I hang out at bipolar, but it is boring lately, and I love it when people drag out old posts on Christianity.

I think the first thing is, people do not understand the basic message of the Bible. People sin. Period. I have read the Bible 30 times in 30 years in English, twice in French and a little in Greek and Spanish.

From start to finish, it is about a perfect, loving and just God, who deals with people who screw up. From Adam and Noah to Abraham, and the Israelites, and David and through to the disciples, who slept when Jesus asked them to pray the night before he was crucified, and Peter who denied Christ, and all the people in the different cities the epistles were written to, who got seduced by false teachers.

So what does that say to you about Christians living today? Hey, we are not perfect! But the difference between us and say, the Old Testament or New Testament people, is that we have a written Bible, available freely in many translations. That is a bit different than "versions" Because the Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek, we try and take the words they wrote and make them apply to today, and to our context.

It really doesn't affect the message though. Christ was God, he became man, and he died on the cross to take the punishment for our sins. And he proved it by rising from the dead.

Now you can take that or leave it. I am totally convinced it is true, but there have been times in my life when that truth has been stale. There have been times when I followed my flesh, disobeyed God.

But lately, God has stirred in my heart the part of the gospel that we don't hear preached, and there has been so little teaching about.

Once we are saved, then God starts to work on us. Yes, salvation is only the beginning. Romans 5:1 says we are justified by faith. That means we are made righteous in a legal sense through Jesus. But then by Romans 12:2, Paul is saying that we need to be transformed by the renewing of our minds, to prove God's perfect, acceptable and good will.

And do you know when the Bible says we will be perfect? When we see Christ face to face. Because we only know in part, and see through a glass darkly. 1 Cor. 13:12. 1 John 3:2, says we shall be like him on that day, for we shall see him as is.

So when people say, "they don't act like Christians" or "they are hypocrites", maybe they are leaving the part out that they are on a journey, with Christ as their guide. The Holy Spirit is changing them.

People who know me think I have a lot of faults - like I used to be very angry until about a year ago. Now a Christian shouldn't be angry. It says right in Gal. 5;19-21. It is the same as sexual immorality, drunkenness and witchcraft. But I was angry. It took 29 years for God to change me. I have so much peace now.

Now God is moving onto different things in my life. But so many people remain baby Christians, because they don't do the basics. They don't read the Word of God, they don't pray, they don't obey. God calls this a hardened heart.

I am not the judge, but I think there are many people out there with a worn out "get out of hell free" card in their back pocket. Come judgment day, I believe Jesus is going to tell them, their card was expired because they failed to renew it on a daily basis.

If you knew me back in my alcoholic days, you might think I was doing well. I'm hoping in a few years, God will do some more major overhauls and breaking of my soul, and change me a bit more into his image. That is the Christian hope. Not condemnation.

Romans 8:1 For there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Not sure what this post is about, just that my hope is in Jesus, not in this world, and not in what people say about me, or God.

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I am a Pagan. I live my beliefs by trying to be an honest person who tries very hard not to unnecessarily harm any person or thing around me. Some days I am more successful at this than others, but who isn't?

I also leave other people to their own beliefs, whatever they may be.