The thing is, for those of us who don't believe in any kind of god, to be lectured that we are wrong, and that god is a fact is insulting. I completely accept that we all have free speech and the opportunity to share our opinions, but some of the answers here are down right destructive, disrespectful and unhelpful. My husband is a born-again christian, but he doesn't tell me that depression is a natural reaction to the misery in this world. Depression is medically proven to be caused by chemical imbalance in many, so although some of us are depressed as the result of what has happened to us, some most definitely have an illness.
It is also interesting to see people commenting here who I have never seen on this forum before. DS is not a platform to evangelize, and it is not intended to put down other people because they do not believe.

Catwomen....That was the most excellent thing I have seen written in almost all my days...
...Juice..Let me ask you this...
...There are things, symbols all over that man can literally see with a human eye that the masses look at and are fully oblivious as to why they are in this place...So, in even seeing; disbelief rules...
...A 6 shooter...A 6 foot man...A 6 pointed star...A 6 pointed pentagon...A 6 pack of beer...A lot of sixes!...
...Pyramids and crosses are all over the place...Markings of serpents...Dragons...Lions...Things with crowns... References to Egypt and Rome all over the place...An obelisk in St. Peter's square...The biggest ever is called the Washington Monument...
...Money is occult laced...!!
...And the most powerful military of forever and ever land is housed in a pentagonal shaped building...
...You ever go to a real estate agent and go shopping for a pentagonal shaped home?...
...So...In plain view of the human eye; symbolic markings are everywhere but even in seeing no one seems to understand...
...No one has to believe anything...Whether one sees it or not...
...My life view which I deem a fact about depression is that I have suffered from it most of my life and the cause of it was evil done to me by others...Many who were very close to me in my life...
...This is my view and I am sticking to it...
...I understand depression and those who suffer from it and it is not fun...
...I have dealt with it since forever...
...The evil done to me has caused my depression from a never ending plethora of those claiming good and doing evil unto me...Using me in every way imaginable with evil at the root...
...Almost all who suffer from depression; as do I; are dealing with trauma or evil being done that they cannot escape from...
...If I could just pitch a hammock between 2 trees and rest for 1 day without some form of evil over my head; this would be a welcome day!...No worries about any trying to probe me, kill me, or rob me of money...Just 1 quiet day of rest in a hammock would seriously suffice for me!...
...You know biblically; only a remnant was to be set apart?...So if you had a bag of pistachio's and ate almost all of it; only the remaining was to be set apart...The minority!...
...And the minority suffers from depression as the majority calls it sick...
...Can it be the majorities evils causing the minority to suffer?...
...I believe this is the case...And my experiences in life have placed me in this position...
...If this place was so wonderful and filled with good people doing good toward me; why would I be depressed?...But I am depressed and have anxiety....
...And unto death the cause I will deem to not be chemical anything but those who refused to stop causing evil unto me!

What is really depressing is humanity, which rarely has any humanity.

I'm sorry that you have suffered so much in your past, but to honest your comments are a little baffling. There are 6 eggs in a box, 6 roles in a pack, although mystifyingly there are always 8 hot-dogs in a can. There are four-packs of beer, a 5 foot man, and four-legged cat. I admire you for keeping your faith alive, but your facts are my fairy tales, and I have no conviction in my heart that there is a god of any kind.

Yes bee...Humanity....What were we supposed to do...???
...All of God's heavy hitters would be deemed shepherds...
...Looking after others with their life placed in the cross-hairs before those they were tending to....
...However, a simple look around using simple math shows something is way wrong!...
...You got "God's guys" all over the place and the flock feeds them to the tune of millions of dollars...
...These are not Shepherds and are wolves eating the flock who should never have went to them in the first place...
...What did Christ and His crew do since He was killed off of earth?...
...They picked up no sword against anyone except the sword of TRUTH they spoke by the tongue...And for this those who picked up the sword killed them....
...They tried to Sheppard others by offering the truth and the wolves ate their flesh...
...This order is coming to an end and the only one that can stop it is about to return...
...This is a true story with no lie in it...God has worked with me in all kinds of ways; especially from 1995- today and on-wards...
...After receiving the information; I found it of the utmost necessity to get the information to all I knew to help them without a regard to self...
...Things did not go to good...I don't know how many labels one can get from others that you were actually trying to help; but; I need a trophy that says #1 in these regards...
...I was called a name that is not my name...Attacking God's church..Lying..Swear words in another language I did not know but got the gist...Working for team Beelzebub...Crazy...
...You will have to get Santa s list so I can check mark who labeled what for trying to help others...
...However...Going down; I actually went up!...And quite proud of it actually knowing some really good company went before me!...
...If they called Christ working for team Beelzebub and he did zero things wrong even once; then why would there be a wonder that those who are obeying and trying to follow His lead not be maligned the same?...
...All I know is that if someone was at my door claiming I have to let him in my house because he ate my flesh; dude better find someone else's flesh to fill up on!...Why the earth has deemed God will let them into his house because they ate his flesh is some very funkadelic math I am unfamiliar with!...
...Man was given the order to love and look out for another and to cease and desist from jacking into things they ought not to do!..
...But; we now have billions slain and billions ran over by others...
...And the mighty judge is not going to require payment due for this?...
...Anyone's best hope right now is to turn to God in a true broken heart for hurting He who loved us, as we refused to love back...
...He; God is the ONLY ONE who can rid one of the sin closet we all are hiding...
...I do not want to fear anyone on this board and am VERY well aware of your sufferings!...
...But the door to forgiveness given is soon shutting and this earth will be shaken...Cleansed and re-worked...
...I already know I am zero percent worthy for forgiveness at all...But, for God's choice He is bestowing upon me...Mercy shown to me which I am ever so grateful for...For I cannot see the worth in me but He is knowing something I am not understanding...
...One thing for absolute sure...If He can forgive me by grace through faith...Then another who shifts their view and makes an honest strive for the same; I do not know why forgiveness is not in the offering...
...But you need a little different view of where you are...The earth is the chess board...This is where evil and good are clashing...One chess move deserves another!
...What helped me immensely was to step out of my own reality and walled off mind and to open it wide... Placing myself in others shoes to understand what they dealt with...And I really gained in massive wisdom when I decided to look as God is looking at the earth from his point of view...When I did this the horror was revealed...
....Stepping out of your own deemed must be know that one deems because of what they were taught and hold onto can seriously open ones eyes to the big picture...It is like going from a junk Mead telescope to seeing through the Hubble...
...We all had our beginnings here on earth...This was our first stop in whatever God has in store...No one can help being born under the dominion of satan, however, you can choose to fight if one wishes...No sword picking up...The sword of the tongue is all that is allowed...
....If you all want I can lie...OK..Here I go...Come to my church and tithe and I will save you from water on your head and eating this god sun-shaped wafer...I am holy can't you tell...Look at my outfit that you do not wear...And bust me out some cash and I will dish some sin's away from you and ship some prayers on your behalf...Bow and kneel to that torture instrument and we will say all kinds of good things and live happily ever after...
...Problem with this is...The bibles good news is minimal and they stick to this and avoid the rest...The massive majority of the bible warns of horrors and deceptive lies...
...But how can I teach that when everyone wants their ears tickled and to adhere to myths?...
I am actually not sorry for man or even myself...I am sorry for God...He set out to make a wonderful creation that had the possibility to be filled with loving kindness and the people of the earth would not stop rebelling against him who has only tried to do good unto us...
...What kind of argument can one stand if front of God with...None!...Humility and humbleness would be the wisest route!

Juice...I attempted to help you by offering you a different perspective...My use of a man placing a hook with bait in the sea with an invisible line that once the fish bit; it was hooked and now the dinner of a man the fish was clueless even existed on earth...
...Man is not the highest power that can go fishing even though we have concluded it is so...
...I cannot help you to even grasp the simplest belief in a God let alone to get to hefty and deep Spiritual foundations...
...I wish I could change your mind but all I can offer you is the truth I have been taught...
...In a way I am fishing..I threw out my line and hope for you to grab it with no hook and to reel you in to my deem that I know is good and true...
...The only tool I have is to speak these things and aim them your way...But only you can decide...
....Many here will attempt to hook you for their gain from you...
...I am doing none of this...I do not even say follow me...I say follow Christ because only he has the exit keys from this valley of death...And if any others claim they do they lie and are standing in a place they ought not.
...I refuse to take money for teaching God's truths which would land me in a place I do not want to go...Neither am I selling to others for profit...
...I have placed my FULL HEART into this endeavor of trying to help others by just giving truths...But my time is about up and this endeavor that I have attempted must end...
...I gave my best effort; but the results remain unknown!...
...If I could have just led one to God's truth's where they turned to God and God forgives just that 1; then this 1 for me was better than none!

Been a long time since I read a thread like this. I certainly believe everyone has a right to their own opinion. But, I for one feel it is my duty as a Christian to tell others he exist. Hey, if you don't want to believe it, that's on you, not me. It is your business.

I am sorry about your cat. I know you must be very upset about it. However, God does not work like a genie in a magic lamp. Truthfully, I doubt the existence of a genie with a magic lamp. But, I am truly sorry about your cat.

People don't worship the cross because it was were, Jesus was tortured! They worship it because God and Jesus allowed it in order to save the world from hell. Christ took on our sin. He did not have to take on our sins. He just did. He is the only sinless person to walk this earth. , He is the son of God. That was the plan when he was born.

I don't want to get into an argument about this., It is my belief and there is little you can do to change it. Did God cause all the horrible things in my life to happen. I could fill a page of it. No, he didn't. I personally think there is a special place in hell for those who commit such crimes against others.

I also believe that depression is an illness, a disease. It is a chemical imbalance in the brain. I did nothing to deserve this, it is just an illness like cancer or diabetics or any other horrible disease in this world. Do people get cancer because of the shape of the world events? No, I don't think so.

I can't look back a page on here without losing my post but someone said that if some could sit down with God and have a two hour consultation with him and still not believe. HA I love that. So true, so true.

The whole idea with Christian is to believe through faith. We don't have to see Christ or God. We feel him. There is an old biblical hymn that answers this question for most Christians. It says...

You ask me how I know he lives~~~~HE LIVES WITHIN MY HEART`!

That is good enough for me. I have seen and felt his miracles in my on life. It works for me, I am sorry if it does not work for others.

By the way, I agree with the pentagram statement. I have seen them too.

I also agree that the signs of the end of time are upon us. If you don't care to believe thats....ok...don't. Again, it is your decision, not mine.

Do I think God causes illness and disease? Not without warning. I think illness and disease comes from germs, the pollution in the world, the pollution you put into your body, genetics, and other things. Who knows what they put in our food supply these days. My dog will not eat processed meats. Makes me wonder, if he won't eat the processed meat maybe I I should not either. There has to be something in there she smells that is not good for us.

People use to die from the flu. I know some in my family did. They did not have a cure for it yet. Now they do and people get the flu, take care of themselves and go about their merry way. It is the same as with any illness. I personally beleive depression is an illness, if I take my meds and do what I need to do for my depression then I can go about my merry way.

Yes, all the terrible things we went through were triggers in starting our depression. But, I believe we were born through genetics to have this disease. If not, why are there so many people who go through the same type of things in life we did and carry on without any problems.

Again, these are my thoughts on the subject to the responses in this thread. It is how I feel about it. I do not subject others to my belief nor do I dislike you because you feel differently. It takes many people to make the merry go round.

Once again, I am very sorry your cat is sick.

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depression is a serious problem for most of us....
i dont think anybody KNOWS god...we need to do the best we can to help each other...

thank you, specifically, catwoman137

my 19 yr old cat keeps on throwing up water, which is depressing---though the alternative is worse. yesterday afternoon kinda funny, with him ready to throw up water on my kitchen table (double yuch)....though when i hurridly grabbed him, the hacking stopped, as though i dislodged a huge hairball in him.

that stuff, and yesterday biking 2 miles on highway for catfood, past woods, dead animals, zooming cars, big open sky....just a vast emptiness to insignicant me

though when worst happens i probably will repeat, for days: rainbow bridge, rainbow bridge, rainbow bridge.

I know someone that is really religious yet his idea is that everything bad is from satan and everything good is from god. It's almost like selective memory and something just feels strange about this. There seems to be way more evil than good around us yet there is some good out there.

Some people think god is a collective and juice I agree with your comments yet that is just my opinion. When someone religious finds out you aren't they seem offended. There was an employee I worked with that claimed to be religious and everyone hated this person and they were very lazy and the biggest ass kisser that ever existed.

A co-worker claimed to be religious yet if I ever talked about this person about my reaction he was of no help. I did more for him than he did for me and I am really sick. I told him of a plan to end my life that had failed and asked him not to mention it to anyone. Well he told his pastor and the fool came down to my work and actually gave me a lecture about god for an hour and I could've been fired for the inactivity.

This pastor actually came into my workplace months earlier and he mentioned he was a pastor and asked if he would pray for me. He said he would bring me a prayer cloth which he never did and he even mentioned it again and never did bring the cloth.

My dad goes to church all the time and is a perfect hypocrite. Whenever I have asked for prayer from someone religious most of what I got was a big fat lecture. I need say no more and I am not trying to offend anyone but remember this is just one's opinion and should only be taken as such.

One more thing, I went to church in December and was planning my suicide and asked the pastor for prayers after the service and he was very nice but the weird thing was he said I was already healed yet I wasn't. Now that I think about it when I have mentioned suicide to a person I know that is "religious" he right away says it is the cowards way out...isn't there a passage in the bible that says judge lest be judged? I guess he never read that far.

And if jesus died for our sins wouldn't that be a form of suicide...altruistic maybe. Some christians can sure dig a hole for themselves...some I said and not all.

Again, Penn, so sorry you are having to endure this with your furbaby. When our senior "child" deteriorated from kidney failure, the vomiting and diarrhea was a constant. But, she couldn't help it. She vomited "fluids" just clear liquid. She got to where she wouldn't eat and urinated very seldom. Her weight decreased to a shocking frail, thin, hair covered frame. She didn't want to surrender to death. She loved my Hubby. She was his 'princess". It got to the point she just lay on her blanket, just breathing. Hubby nor myself wanted to subject her to the needle, but we couldn't stand watching her suffer anymore. I had so hoped that when the "time came" she'd go naturally. But, she was a fighter, and didn't want to leave us. As much as we love (still do) her, as much as she was our "child" (she had been with us for 21 years), her agony was more than we could bear. Reluctantly, very reluctantly, we gathered up and headed for the vet. It's hard to turn our "furchildren" loose. They become such a vital comfort and source of love that we hate to give them up. I know, I find the most unconditional love in my pets. I guess that's why they are so special to me. Now, that doesn't mean I don't feel the urge to "strangle" these hoodlums I have from time to time, especially when they go "outlaw" on me and be destructive to the furniture and do their nasty little deeds when they know they shouldn't. Nevertheless, I understand the attachment one forms to the very source of unconditional love that we receive. I love animals. I know you do too. I hate that you are having such a rough time with meeting your needs and getting to the places you need to go. I wish that your circumstances were different. I wish that most of our circumstances on this forum were different. But, this is just ugly truth of the harshness that life can present us with. Still, even though there is this ugly around and among us, life is really beautiful. Once we can look beyond the ugly that we are in at the moment, and focus on the real beauty of nature and people (yes, there are many beautiful, not physically, but compassionate people) all does not seem so unbearable.

I hope that you feel better, in time. I know you are in a very rough spot right now. My prayers and thoughts go out to you, all across this state and up the east coast and right to your place, right now, with you, I am.

(((HUGS)))

wcm, seriously back up some and take a breath. No one needs to lay themselves on a cross and make a sacrifice, it's been done. This kind of business, your rants and analyzing every word is what beats people to death when trying to understand.

Penn, no one wants you to hurt, please try to by pass the overkill going on here.... hugs. So sorry you're going through this.

Dang. This thing is still going.

Juice, I'm with ya.

Sweatingbullets.
I know. Right?


Others here are FEAR MONGERING
And quite frankly I find it counter productive in a depression forum.
Spewing out fear tactics and fear mongering.
Preying on those who are feeling vulnerable.
Shame on you guys.

Oh the end is nigh, the end is nigh. Oooooh the bogey man is under every rock and around every corner.
Beware. The devil prowls around like a thief in the night.
Oh please you don't think I haven't heard all this before.
Been there. Done that.

Look. This is not a Theology debate forum.

It's a friggin depression support group.
Let us get back to earth and reality.

for those who truly want to debate and discuss your beliefs go to ex Christian net.
They have some great forums for in depth discussions and debates.
And you will be on equal footing. Not preying on those who aren't mentally equipped to counter what you say.
The Lions Den forum is for anyone who dares to enter.
And I personally think you'll be eaten Alive.

And I have a feeling someone here may have been reported, hence his remark that he was done.

Come in. Stir the pot. Swift exit.
Yep ...rhymes with Droll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmFuzYCPl7Q

For your kitty, Penn.

I use to carry our "furbaby" in my arms and sing this to her.

((((Hugs)))

thanks again, to all/most.

i said, once or twice, to vet, how i hope my cat just goes quietly in his sleep.

...which is still another thing i forget and remembered, cause of posting here.

never ending; too much to ask that poor cat just goes in his sleep, for his and my own benifit? (everything considered, that is what i would consider a minor miracle)