Blood clots are rare in any vaccine, including AstraZeneca, compared to number of people receiving the vaccine overall, @Sunshine101, and you may not know, but a bad headache and a migraine feel very different to *me* to start.

We also have to consider quite a lot of other factors. For example, you can go ask a doctor if you develop a bad headache; it's not like we get the vaccine and are left in a vacuum. You can call 911. You can ask your doctor about specific risks you're concerned about. End of the day, one long-term consequence of Covid-19 seems to be *fibro*, and since we already all have that, I'll take the shot.

I advise Moderna, simply b/c Pfizer knocked me flat, but I got it free. Hubby's oncologist recommended he get Moderna. And many who get Pfizer are fine.

IF you choose not to be vaccinated, please consider you are going to lengthen the current situation, b/c without herd immunity (at least 80-85% of all population vaccinated/immune), we're ALL stuck, vaxxed or not, and these waves of open-shut open-shut yes-no will continue indefinitely.

You can, if you need, consult a doctor, or five. I had two Pfizer shots and was laid out a total of six days.... but better six days than six feet under, IMO. Cheers!

I'm not getting the vaccine for the same reason I don't get flu shots. I have a history of bad reactions to vaccines... they usually make me feel sick for weeks on end and trigger a hellish fibro flare in addition. Every time I get one of these new vaccines, I suffer more than when I catch the virus itself.

I had covid early last year: I had migraines for 6 weeks straight, a sore throat, and fatigue. BUT it was manageable and I'm fine now. For me (not speaking for anyone else), the benefits of these vaccines do not outweigh the side effects.

My opinion is that if you want to get the vaccine, then you should. If you do NOT want it, then don't get it. Simple. It really should be up to the individual.

Sadly healthy people have died from the Vaccine , its a personal decision , very difficult to make . I am in too much pain to add this vaccine to my body , I have herpes and I am not comfortable having this inside my body.

I think the vaccine should be given to everyone because it will protect you from a severe form of the disease. No one says that with the vaccine, you will not get sick at all, but this is a guarantee that you will not die from severe complications, but on the contrary, you will have only a mild form of the disease. I was also against the vaccine until I lost a few close people because of covid; it's a very terrible disease. After covid, I started having problems with my intestines, and it turned out that I had an increased level of parasites in my colon, for which I even had to order medicines for https://www.niclosam.com/, and this was not part of my plans at all. To protect yourself from side diseases after the virus, make a vaccine

Having had the Whooping Cough Vaccine does not mean you will not get Whooping Cough. It means if you get it the chances of it being severe are greatly reduced. Boosters are also required. (See link below)

You have to be Very Careful where you get your information from. Just because someone says they are a doctor online. Does not mean they are. If they do not specialize in Infectious Diseases. They do not have the additional education and training for the most knowledge about infectious diseases like Covid. It is best to go to sites that end in .edu or .gov..

This has Nothing to do with civil liberties. It has to do with life, death and health. A person can have it and not know it. If a individual wants to risk their own life. That is their business. But they have No Right to expose others to covid. Others did not make the choice to risk their lives and/or the lives of their family and friends.

https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/about/faqs.html

Whoever said healthy people died of the vaccine: Prove it. Go on. Show me. Show me the stats on the vaccine-caused deaths versus *Covid*. I'll wait. The numbers are, .. Right, they're not there. Why? because Covid is known to have caused at least 5 million deaths globally, reported (we probably have more like 8 million, but a few nations we won't name, ahem, won't report accurately to WHO).... The vaccine is linked to?....

If you're using VAERS, don't. It's scientifically unsound at best. They report all deaths within a time period near vaccination, but temporal proximity is not causation. If I die of a heart attack at 83, and happened to be recently vax'd for flu, nobody runs around blaming the flu vaccine. If osmeone is avccinated and ltaer dies of Covid, the most common condition in those cases is *cancer*.... they were already very ill! (My hubby has one of those cancers. He's vaccinated. And doing fine, thankfully.)


I'm tired. OK? I"m tired. This shouldn't even be up for debate. Flu kills 40,000 a year in the US. Covid got 500,000. Over ten times the number. If that's not enough, then nothing will be, so peace and good luck, and mask up!

I strongly suspect that a lot of the adverse effects are related to underlying conditions, some previously unknown. Women may find out they're predisposed to blood clots after starting birth control, as another example of a long standing treatment that's considered safe for most people. The actual percentage of adverse effects is insanely low when you consider how many people have been vaccinated. And yes I've heard of people I'm acquainted with have issues with it, but I've heard of more who were fairly young, heaas far as they knew and unvaccinated who have died of covid. My own personal experience is that the vaccines knocked me flat for a couple weeks, but my long-term covid symptoms have lasted over a year. I also had it twice. It's an issue of public health, not personal liberty. And with all the vaccine mandates, they're offered the option of getting tested every week, and they're well aware of any consequences of refusing it. Like every choice in life, you own the repercussions

With respect to others above.

The CDC collects data from VAERS. Why is it okay to cherry pick what is credible and what isn't?? Isn't that a tad unscientific??

To answer the question show you the deaths in healthy persons?? Just look at FIFA. Since December of last year, 187 heart related deaths have happened across the league. Why am I choosing FIFA? Well, because they are all athletes and coaches. And 187 is more than just a coincidence. They are also all required to take the jab unlike other sports leagues.

187 mostly young, active, healthy athletes gone.
A month or so ago, Googles top search was in regards to people dropping dead.

Children are not waking up with in days/weeks of their shots (this is not SIDS related) Teen boys are having major heart issues, some dying. Other counties yielded their vaccine rollouts because of this. Yet here in 'Merica, we kept it rolling like Proud Mary.

Heart related issues (i.e. heart attacks) from the jab are now nearly bypassing natural rates of heart attacks. Let me repeat that. With in a year, we have created from this vaccine, as many heart attacks that occur naturally.

And that doesn't even come close to the other plethora of issues.

And I will agree with you on one thing. All of the VAERS data is not fully collected. I want to say it was Oxford University that determined that due to the data VAERS requires to submit a claim, it's grossly underestimated. It takes a physician/RN 30 minutes to submit it, and then there is the follow up. Imagine an ER doc having that much time to commit to vaccine injuries they are dealing with. Yet, here we sit in a country where it is unlawful to "not" submit a VAERS report. That doozy was brought into the light with these injuries.

But the kicker for me is quite simple. The original strain of Covid is extinct. Yet the jab is made for only that. It has not changed, the formula is still the same. Well, with the exception of adding heart attack medication into the childrens formula.
So I question myself with many of you, why would you want to get a vaccine for something that is non existent? Why would you want to keep boosting upon that same extinct strain? Omicron is now more prevalent in vaccinated individuals than unvaccinated persons. This was forewarned by many, yet never covered on MSM.

And now, what I worry about is the volumes of people dealing with cancers caused from the vaccine. Reports are coming out that people who were in remission are coming out of remission with aggressive forms of cancers. And for those who are vaccinated, they are finding themselves dealing with late stage cancers. When they had none the year before. Many cancers that typically take over a year to develop.

As for the blood clots. Just follow how many pilots have passed with in days to weeks after their jabs? Remember how the pilots shut down the planes? for two week we saw thousands upon thousands of airlines grounded because the pilots saw enough. They knew the risks. They watched the mandate in the UK and the pilots dying, some in mid flight. (heart attacks).

You don't have to take my word for it. Or VAERS if you don't want to. Just look at the trends world wide. Look at the Nurses who won't take one, look at the pilots, the truckers, and etc. They are shutting down the world over this obsolete vaccine.

What I will say that is the only silver lining, and it's a damn weak one, is that our greatest generation seems to be handling this vaccine best. Now, we also have to worry about the unnatural heart attacks, clotting, and cancers with them, but they are tolerating the vaccine.

And as I close this opinion of mine, I want to leave you with this. Why is it that we are relying upon a vaccine when a world renowned, nobel prize drug is ordered to be not used for early treatment, yet proven to be almost 100% successful across all generations who use it on Covid?

Why is it that the hospitals are not about using early treatments for this illness/disease when in every other case for every other illness or disease they would. Do you wonder that at all??

I'm sorry for my strong opposing view points. I have yet to bury another person close to me over this damn covid jab and lack of treatments.

What a sad thing for us to tell each other that we are going to die because of the choices we have made concerning this virus.

Wonderbaby, where do you get your information? Would you please share it and post the links to this information you believe is reliable and accurate ?

When a report says "healthcare workers." That does not mean doctors and nurses. Healthcare workers include people that clean the rooms, mop the floors, work in the cafeteria, etc. It is everyone that works in a hospital or doctors office. The majority of the "healthcare workers" refusing the vaccine are Not doctors and nurses. In other words, the healthcare workers with the highest level of education and training are Not the ones refusing the vaccine.

I wonder how many against the vaccine take medications prescribed by their doctors without extensive research? Have they done the same level of research on the drugs their doctors prescribe as they do on the vaccine? Did they read the detailed information the manufacturer has to make public before taking them? Did they read the details of the clinical trials results of the drugs before taking them? Have they had surgery where something was put in their body ? Did they ask their surgeon for the manufacturer of the product Before surgery ? Did they do extensive research to find out the possible side effects ? Did they read the details of the clinical trial results ? Did they check to see if their doctor receives money from the manufacturer of a drug or device ? Did they check to be sure their doctors are board certified in their field ? Did they check their state medical board to find out if any disciplinary action has ever been taken against each of their doctors? Do they check to see if any medical malpractice suits have been
filed against each of their doctors ? This is not disciplinary action.So it would not show up on the medical board information.

I find it interesting so many people seem to be researching the covid vaccines, the manufacturers and the doctors that encourage them. But they trust manufacturers and doctors when it comes to everything else. Either a manufacturer and doctor are trust worthy or they are not.

By the way, research for the covid vaccine did Not just start when it was announced people were coming down with it. The research has been going on for many, many years. For those that believe the clinical trials for the vaccine did not last long enough. I wonder how many years a medication or device has to be on the market before they will take it. Do they explain to their doctors why they refuse a new drug or device when it is prescribed ? Clinical trials only last several months. Each drug and device manufactured has possible side effects and could cause serious problems or death. Other vaccines do not guarantee a person will not be infected. But a vaccinated person is less likely to become seriously ill or die. Why should the covid vaccines be any different than others taken with little to no questions ?

From what you wrote, Wonder, it looks like I’m going to keel over and die any moment. I’m not sure why you call it, the jab. I feel dumb when I hear that. It’s not even my vaccine anymore, it’s just a jab, How long do you think I have to live? It doesn’t sound long from what you are saying. I’ve had the vaccine. As my friend, what would you think I should do now? Just expect to die?

I went back and read some more of your post, Wonder. I really should not do that. And I won’t be anymore. But remember how badly someone comparing a car accident hit you? You know what hit my heart? My son had cancer 2 years ago, and you are really saying that my son can expect his cancer to come out of remission. Do you know what that does to a mother? I hope you have a lot of data to back up what you are all saying, because you pretty much have everyone dying who’s had the vaccine. I just need to stop thinking about this. I will need to use the tools given to me by my therapist to let this be. Something I’ll be working on today.

Ida, my dear friend. Allow me to explain some of your questions. I did not share these details to instill fear. I hope you know my heart well enough to know that.

As for me calling it a jab, I call it that as I don’t feel this is a vaccine. The cdc even had to change their definition a month or so ago as this is immune therapy. Not a traditional vaccine that we have grown to trust. So much so that the monoclonal antibody treatment used for those with severe Covid or bd cases, is closer to a real vaccine as it uses the antibodies of those who have recovered naturally.
I feel strongly about the misconception of this. They knew people trusted vaccines. They knew this wasn’t one. They knew so much more about the clinical trials and hid the bad info. I’m angry about this.

Yes, it’s true, I can back up my info if anyone wants to read it. Heart, cancer, and other immune issues will continue to rise. I am so afraid to hear of these reports. But they are happening as we speak. The coined term V-AIDS is surfacing. We all remember the AIDS of the late 70’s-90’s. It was tossed around as so many things until they understood it. Forgive this analogy, but like Lymes even, it attacks your immune system. When we don’t have healthy immune systems, all hell can break loose. Doctors and clinics, hospitals even are seeing the ripple effect and the rise in numbers with heart attacks and rapid onset of cancers.

I have the same great fear you do in facing this news. I have shed weeks of tears and frustration over this. My mom has active cancer in her. When she had her surgery a couple years back, they couldn’t get all of it in her lung cut out.

Like many, my mom followed the advice of her oncologist to get the shot. He felt that she most likely would not survive a Covid infection if she got one.

I agree with him. She most likely wouldn’t. But even with her shots, she can still get Covid. Her risks of death have not diminished a single bit. Yet now she has ingredients in her that can cause her platelets to stack (disclaimer, it doesn’t happen in everyone, but it is happening in many). She also has a lower natural immunity.

If you or anyone else wants some good honest information I welcome you to some sites. I’m on my phone as I’m typing this out. I have my sites saved on my computer. So I will update in a bit.

Ida, with this news, there are things both you and your son, and loved ones can do. The biggest is taking items to boost your immunity. Just because you opted for this shot, doesn’t mean it’s a death sentence.

I have seen enough to believe it puts people at a great risk of these things they had no warning about.

And to ItsJustMe, short answer, yes! I do question things ever since I had a stroke like reaction to Lyrica. But I will say, I am one of the biggest supporters of vaccines in general. I believe vaccine injuries happen, but never at the alarming rate this shot has brought to our world. We have surpassed twice over now the amount of deaths of every vaccine made over the past 39 years. This shot has killed twice as many in less than a year!

I don’t take that information lightly. And that is based on all who were reported. Those numbers are grossly underestimated.

Ida, I am truly sorry. I know how much you don’t want to discuss all of this.


Another concern that I feel drove so many to their convictions and choices is what many are viewing as Mass Formation.

There are 4 elements to mass formation and when the pandemic hit, it was the perfect storm.

The first element is the isolation.
2nd, fear
3rd yearning to reunite
4th a solution or “ticket” back to normal.

How many people were driven by isolation? I know far too many. These well loved, educated people wanted so badly to return to normal that they refused to listen to the whistleblowers.

There is a growing population of those who have had their 1st or 2nd shot who have great remorse. I know some people like that also.

What angers me the most, is the lack of informed consent with this rollout. And it’s not just the rollout, but the FDA /CDC is asking for the information to not be released fully until 50yrs from now in a lawsuit against them.

I saw all of this as a massive red flag. I once thought having a vaccine would have been a perfect answer, until they rolled out this one.

Does the information you posted include those than have been diagnosed with cancer or a reaccurance due to not getting proper treatment and on time checkups? Many did not go for routine checkups and tests before the vaccine out of fear. The same thing applies to heart attacks. Is the added stress of a global pandemic, not being able to work like before, send your children to school, etc separated from getting the vaccine ? The source of the data and the breakdown is vital to it's accuracy. If the numbers are not broken down. The data is not accurate.

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19-

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19