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I loved this article I saw somewhere else and I thought I would pass it along. It definitely is something to consider after your done reeling from the shock and weighing the choice that lies ahead:
The following is from a support group for Emotional Abuse.
"It’s not that I’ve got anything against being loyal and loving to men, or sometimes having to stay when they’ve let you down, but I find that women who talk about standing by their men often stand by men…who aren’t standing with them. This societal expectation that women should stick like glue…even when there’s nothing to stick to and it’s greatly unappreciated or even unacknowledged, means that we’ve been taught that it’s a woman’s job to commit.
If you’ve been reading Baggage Reclaim for long enough, you’ll know that relationships are the sum of two people. When one person is trying to be the heart and soul of the relationship, it will flounder, because for a relationship to have a decent chance of lasting the distance and you both being happy within it, you need two people with both of their feet in the relationship.
Many women, however, are getting to find out that you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink from the fountain of commitment.
This expectation and assumption that we must stand by men is incredibly dangerous, because in teaching women to stand by their men, the onus is on us to do the hard work and commit whilst waiting for the men to decide if they’re going to catch up and join us.
This is why red flags will be ignored, boundary crossing is the norm, and women end up losing themselves by laying themselves on the sacrificial alter in the hope that one day they’ll be a big pay off.
A lot of things have changed about relationships in the past ten years even, and technology has really impacted on the ability for us to make connections both on and offline, but also how much of a distance we can keep from relationships – I have written before about the use of technology for lazy communication in relationships.
In the ‘olden days’, before there seemed to be this sudden desire for there to be no boundaries, expectations, or commitmment in relationships, if you stood by your man, there was a strong likelihood that one day the (cough) dog would find its way home…
Now, I have come across thousands of women who have stood by men only to be left high and dry when he takes off elsewhere.
Online dating and the modern notion that there are plenty of fish in the sea means that you have even less likelihood of your loyalty being appreciated.
Standing by your (broken) man is a code phrase for ‘kick me’.
It says, ‘I will love you unconditionally even though you may not be in this relationship the way that I am in it, and I will have absolutely no boundaries so that you get to be you and I get to lose myself trying to accommodate your whims’
It says, ‘No matter what you do, I’m going to be there’.
It says ‘I’m afraid to try to do better myself because I don’t even know who the hell I am anymore as everything is built around you’.
Stand by your man is a code phrase for settling.
You don’t hear people who are in healthy relationships having to talk about or explain that they are standing by their man. You also don’t hear men going on about standing by their woman. Why? Because they’re not ingrained with the same social messaging as women, but also, certain types of men just assume you will be there anyway, because, like, that’s what women do – note my sarcasm…
I am all for love, loyalty, respect, care, trust, care and all that jazz, but as I keep telling you all, we don’t live in an ideal world and we mustn’t keep subscribing to the frickin fairy tale.
In an ideal world, kindness would beget kindness. You’d love someone, they’d love you back. You’d love someone, they’d behave with a modicum of decency.
But deciding that you love someone and want a relationship with them doesn’t come with an IOU for the recipient where they automatically reciprocate in the way that you expect, and it also doesn’t mean that they’ll be committed and behave as someone would in a loving, healthy relationship.
If you stand by a man who is committed to you, loves, trusts, respects, and cares about you, whilst also being respectful of your boundaries, your emotional investment is a good investment.
However throwing love at someone who doesn’t love you back or doesn’t behave like someone who loves, trusts, cares and respects you, even if they talk a good game, is a bit like ploughing more emotional money into a bad investment.
If you stand by a man who is not standing by you, you’re alone.
Standing by your man when there is either no relationship to stand by or the relationship has issues that may render it unlikely to get off the ground puts the guy on a pedestal.
If you stand by a man who you have put on a pedestal, the balance is dangerous as he is looking down on you.
The man that gets stood by doesn’t learn about consequences. Instead he learns that you will be there regardless and so unless he has a divine intervention, he actually has no impetus to change. Change is pretty damn difficult for the great majority of us and if there is no genuine motivation to change, we won’t – we take the easy route.
Many women assume that being loved is a reason in itself for the other person to change. But if the person doesn’t recognise or acknowledge it, but more importantly want and value it, why the hell will they feel the desire to change?
If there are own insecurities and fears are bigger than any feelings they have for you, they won’t change.
We may think that in time they’ll see it, but maybe they will…or maybe they won’t. There’s nothing to say that if they do change that it’s your love they’ll want.
Choosing broken men is partly about healing ourselves. They finally do and give us what we want, we feel infinitely better about ourselves. But choosing a man that doesn’t want to stand by you and with you but still standing by him says a lot about him. At some point you have to ask yourself how much of what you’re standing by is an illusion? Either betting on the potential or hoping that he’ll maximise brief qualities that he’s exhibited.
If your relationship has boundaries and there is love, trust, respect, and care, it is a hell of a lot easier to stand by someone through the good times and the bad because you’re together. It’s not about being happy clappers all the time because that’s not real life, but some people don’t want to be fixed, healed, or helped, and the reality is that if you had better self-esteem, some of the behaviour that you stand by would be completely unacceptable making the relationship a non-starter.
A reader recently said to me that she separates the behaviour from her man, i.e he is not the behaviour, but at some point you need to put the sh*tty behaviour with the man and put two and two together and make four and realise that with one, you get the other.
We’ve really got to start connecting the dots in our relationships and making choices, even when they are painful because until we believe that we deserve better, we don’t act like we deserve better and back away from poor behaviour.
Instead of standing by your broken man, part of your healing is learning to stand by yourself."
The following is from a support group for Emotional Abuse.
"It’s not that I’ve got anything against being loyal and loving to men, or sometimes having to stay when they’ve let you down, but I find that women who talk about standing by their men often stand by men…who aren’t standing with them. This societal expectation that women should stick like glue…even when there’s nothing to stick to and it’s greatly unappreciated or even unacknowledged, means that we’ve been taught that it’s a woman’s job to commit.
If you’ve been reading Baggage Reclaim for long enough, you’ll know that relationships are the sum of two people. When one person is trying to be the heart and soul of the relationship, it will flounder, because for a relationship to have a decent chance of lasting the distance and you both being happy within it, you need two people with both of their feet in the relationship.
Many women, however, are getting to find out that you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink from the fountain of commitment.
This expectation and assumption that we must stand by men is incredibly dangerous, because in teaching women to stand by their men, the onus is on us to do the hard work and commit whilst waiting for the men to decide if they’re going to catch up and join us.
This is why red flags will be ignored, boundary crossing is the norm, and women end up losing themselves by laying themselves on the sacrificial alter in the hope that one day they’ll be a big pay off.
A lot of things have changed about relationships in the past ten years even, and technology has really impacted on the ability for us to make connections both on and offline, but also how much of a distance we can keep from relationships – I have written before about the use of technology for lazy communication in relationships.
In the ‘olden days’, before there seemed to be this sudden desire for there to be no boundaries, expectations, or commitmment in relationships, if you stood by your man, there was a strong likelihood that one day the (cough) dog would find its way home…
Now, I have come across thousands of women who have stood by men only to be left high and dry when he takes off elsewhere.
Online dating and the modern notion that there are plenty of fish in the sea means that you have even less likelihood of your loyalty being appreciated.
Standing by your (broken) man is a code phrase for ‘kick me’.
It says, ‘I will love you unconditionally even though you may not be in this relationship the way that I am in it, and I will have absolutely no boundaries so that you get to be you and I get to lose myself trying to accommodate your whims’
It says, ‘No matter what you do, I’m going to be there’.
It says ‘I’m afraid to try to do better myself because I don’t even know who the hell I am anymore as everything is built around you’.
Stand by your man is a code phrase for settling.
You don’t hear people who are in healthy relationships having to talk about or explain that they are standing by their man. You also don’t hear men going on about standing by their woman. Why? Because they’re not ingrained with the same social messaging as women, but also, certain types of men just assume you will be there anyway, because, like, that’s what women do – note my sarcasm…
I am all for love, loyalty, respect, care, trust, care and all that jazz, but as I keep telling you all, we don’t live in an ideal world and we mustn’t keep subscribing to the frickin fairy tale.
In an ideal world, kindness would beget kindness. You’d love someone, they’d love you back. You’d love someone, they’d behave with a modicum of decency.
But deciding that you love someone and want a relationship with them doesn’t come with an IOU for the recipient where they automatically reciprocate in the way that you expect, and it also doesn’t mean that they’ll be committed and behave as someone would in a loving, healthy relationship.
If you stand by a man who is committed to you, loves, trusts, respects, and cares about you, whilst also being respectful of your boundaries, your emotional investment is a good investment.
However throwing love at someone who doesn’t love you back or doesn’t behave like someone who loves, trusts, cares and respects you, even if they talk a good game, is a bit like ploughing more emotional money into a bad investment.
If you stand by a man who is not standing by you, you’re alone.
Standing by your man when there is either no relationship to stand by or the relationship has issues that may render it unlikely to get off the ground puts the guy on a pedestal.
If you stand by a man who you have put on a pedestal, the balance is dangerous as he is looking down on you.
The man that gets stood by doesn’t learn about consequences. Instead he learns that you will be there regardless and so unless he has a divine intervention, he actually has no impetus to change. Change is pretty damn difficult for the great majority of us and if there is no genuine motivation to change, we won’t – we take the easy route.
Many women assume that being loved is a reason in itself for the other person to change. But if the person doesn’t recognise or acknowledge it, but more importantly want and value it, why the hell will they feel the desire to change?
If there are own insecurities and fears are bigger than any feelings they have for you, they won’t change.
We may think that in time they’ll see it, but maybe they will…or maybe they won’t. There’s nothing to say that if they do change that it’s your love they’ll want.
Choosing broken men is partly about healing ourselves. They finally do and give us what we want, we feel infinitely better about ourselves. But choosing a man that doesn’t want to stand by you and with you but still standing by him says a lot about him. At some point you have to ask yourself how much of what you’re standing by is an illusion? Either betting on the potential or hoping that he’ll maximise brief qualities that he’s exhibited.
If your relationship has boundaries and there is love, trust, respect, and care, it is a hell of a lot easier to stand by someone through the good times and the bad because you’re together. It’s not about being happy clappers all the time because that’s not real life, but some people don’t want to be fixed, healed, or helped, and the reality is that if you had better self-esteem, some of the behaviour that you stand by would be completely unacceptable making the relationship a non-starter.
A reader recently said to me that she separates the behaviour from her man, i.e he is not the behaviour, but at some point you need to put the sh*tty behaviour with the man and put two and two together and make four and realise that with one, you get the other.
We’ve really got to start connecting the dots in our relationships and making choices, even when they are painful because until we believe that we deserve better, we don’t act like we deserve better and back away from poor behaviour.
Instead of standing by your broken man, part of your healing is learning to stand by yourself."
It doesn't matter what the addiction is, smoking, drinking, drugging, being a people pleaser or enabler, a workaholic, or a spiritual fanatic -- or GOD FORBID a SEX OFFENDER.
They are all the same .... and the only way ANY OF THEM WILL BE HEALED IS WITH LOVE.
Short answer to your question is did I server the tie ... I had to see the guy in school everyday, so on some level no. I prayed for him and deeply knew that he was is deep pain. No, I did not file a report via our then judicial system. Why? At the time they made the "women" out to be at fault. And I knew on some deep level that my mother never could have dealt with it, she still cannot on some level. I gave the guy a cross and I prayed for him and admitted the experience for years only by writing it down for myself and for sharing it with a priest in confession.
I have more to share that I have no doubt will be healing for you, but right now I am getting ready to go to a evening event and I do not trust my computer to not loose my response again!
I will respond with more of my "process" tomorrow, since I do think that is what you are asking about ... which has to do with my early attachment history, key attachment figures in my own life - what they looked like and how they help me even today, and what I believe true healing, when one is complete with their past abuses - even if they come from all the various forms of abuse, which NEGLECT has the most significant consequences, and which is more prevalent that any form of sexual misconduct or abuse.
If I can do anything here I hope to motivate each of you to become your own and your familes advocate.
Those providing services may or may not let on that they are aware of these issues in healing/or in treatment.
I believe it will be a ground floor/consumer driven CHANGE, just like the healing that has to happen from the inside to heal any attachment wound.
Thanks for the question and know I appreciate your patience with my "second" answer :).
Such an incredible post! I am right there with you on all of it! Being the wife of a child molester, I can say that I think the original post is spot on...for some. I stay with my husband much the same way that was described by mama bear in regard to if my husband had terminal cancer. My choice would be to support him no matter what decision he made.
Yes, because he molested a child, he broke our marriage vows. He did a horrible thing to that child and her family. Since he's been in jail ever since this rolled out, he has no real idea of the actual consequences of his behavior. Yes, his behavior was despicable. But human sexual behavior is very complex.
Speaking of our neurophysiological selves, we are all hardwired for a certain sexual response. As we grow up, we discover what we are wired to be. If your natural inclinations are considered despicable and society makes you out to be a monster even for having thoughts that are part of your natural sexual patterning, that's got to have an extreme effect on your psyche.
I think what happened with my husband is that is was so ego dystonic that he split that part of himself off. His offending behavior was completely out of character. But, yet at the same time, since he was born this way, he didn't know any different. I 'm not excusing what he did. I'm saying that he is not a monster. He is a product of a naturally occurring sexual orientation that collided with an intolerant and negative culture. Not to say that sex with children should ever be tolerated, but what should be tolerated is the concept that "pedophilia exists" simply because it does!
Pedophilia cannot be wished away. It cannot be cured because it is not a disease, but it can be healed. The healing is the reintegration of the split off part of self.
I view this like the cancer metaphor, but in this case he is choosing to get help. He will have to face and integrate the part of him that did this nasty deed. It will not be easy...especially in jail! But he is a brave, intelligent and insightful guy. He will heal. I have tremendous faith in him.
In the meantime, I am taking care of myself. I do not need to stand by him in the sense of the original post. I choose to stand by him. I choose to support his healing.
As a caveat, I will probably not do this as his wife. Society makes that far too difficult. And, if the victim and her family wanted me to stand by for their healing, I would gladly do it. But they don't...so I stand by them in my prayers.
Thanks for all your good teaching and the Dalai Lama quote. I am a fan!
I wish you well on your healing journey but cannot even share in the same path you meander down. For your husband to not even be able to still garner some insight into the consequences of his actions against others is a red flag give away that something is seriously wrong. I hope he does get help and is eventually cured for your sake, his and our society's. It is a contradictory statement, I might add, to infer that something needs healing that is not considered a sickness.
" He is a product of a naturally occurring sexual orientation that collided with an intolerant and negative culture"---If you believe this then you also could use some professional help as well to gain some insight for yourself.
As for me I am done with this group!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is just too disturbing to do any good.
If you can not defend your point of view and hate reason and logic it is probably the best thing to do .
I cannot pretend to understand half of the "big words" used in previous posts but this I can understand. What I dont understand is why Mystified doesnt believe this sexual behavior cannot be "from birth". If someone is "born straight" or "born gay" as a natural sexual "hard wiring" than doesnt it stand to reason, or even a slight possibilty that pedophilia could be as well? Many do not "tolerate" homosexualness either but the difference comes down to consent and innocence. It is not acceptable for an adult to force themselves upon anyone let alone a child. these actions arent accepted but because of the strong force sex holds in our lives we end up w/adults that preform devious actions. I believe this behavior, such as others, has to be "trained away". You have to train yourself to stop biting your nails, you have to train yourself to not over spend, you have to train yourself to not snap at your children...all strong impulsive behaviors.
Everyone can change behavior if they choose to!
In America we choose to punish and shame, whereas in other areas, like in Germany they actually attempt PREVENTION of child abuse .. what a novel concept !!
Here is a link to information about what is happening in Germany. The program is called Dunklefeld and it statistics have shown that since its inception NO CHILD HAS BEEN HARMED. That is pretty powerful !!
The key here is confidentiality and TREATMENT - both!
http://dont-offend.org
We have a long way to go in America, but I believe we can get there if we work together and being to share what we KNOW WORKS with those in position so power who want to protect our kids, and anyone from any sort of abuse.
Yet, we have to be willing to show up, stand up, and speak up ... and stop the victim mentality that is running rampant in our culture today!
http://www.iprc.unc.edu/G8/csappd.pdf
http://forensicpsychologist.blogspot.com/2011/09/brick-wall-blocking-progress-on-sexual.html
What are we doing here in America -- besides SHAMING THE PERPETRATOR AND THEIR FAMILIES???
Obviously, I am pretty upset about this ... it seems pretty "American" to be ... to do nothing but blame the "other" yet not look at all the ways our "systems" allow these things to happen!
It is interesting that all of the really innovative research and programs regarding pedophilia come from other countries. The attitudes in this country are truly insane.
There is excellent research on the biological basis of pedophilia that comes from Canada. Look up James Cantor. He has done amazing work.
The best sociological study of pedophilia comes from Britain. Look up the two books written by Sarah D. Goode. Unfortunately, I had to pay $80 to get the second one because I could only get it from the British publisher through Amazon. They have it on the site, but they don't carry it. The foreword is written by Susan Donovan Rice, of Stop It Now! (Now, that group is American.)
The best book on the psychodynamic aspects of pedophilia was written by a group of Italian psychiatrists and really puts pedophilia into a historical perspective, as well as analytical.
All that I have read about what is happening in Germany is what I would expect. I am German by ancestory and know typically Germans don't piddle around sobbing about their little hurts. They get on it and fix it. I'm looking forward to checking these sites out.
One comment about "Mystified"'s temper tantrum (sorry, that's what it was) is in regard to healing and curing. Curing is eradication of an illness. People can be healed without being cured and visa versa. Curing is an outside job only. Healing is when we join together aspects of ourselves that are part of our interior selves, our spirit. It is an inside shift. Sometimes that results in an exterior shift, too, but that is not always necessary to change what is most important.
For example, a person who has cancer who is angry and bitter about it but gets the right medical protocol so the cancer is eradicated is cured but not healed.
Someone else in the same situation who has their cancer eradicated but comes to peace with it, is cured and also healed.
Healing is about being at peace. When we are at peace, we see everything from a different perspective.
I support my husband in healing his mind. I am realistic that he will not be cured. I am also realistic that he will come to peace with his urges and not act out again.
When you really get into the literature about pedophilia, you start to see a very different picture than what is generally believed. I have spent most of my career working with both people who are developmentally disabled and those who were severely disabled later in life. What i learned is that developmental disability is mainly about learning to live with what you were born with in a culture that may or may not support that. The work I do is about supporting developmentally disabled people in their individualized paths through life.
Those who become disabled later in life have to go through a process of acceptance. When you were able bodied and now are not, you have to heal the rift between the image you had of your previous self and the new self-image you need to create based on your present set of abilities and relationships, which are greatly changed.
Pedophilia in our present society functions like both of these perspectives together. This is a very typical example of what I have read happens in many cases....
Think of a young boy going through his childhood thinking that he is going to have the same life as his parents. At the time that he discovers his sexual attractions, he likes girls his own age. He gets aroused. As he gets older though, he finds that he is not aroused by girls his own age anymore. He is still aroused by very young girls. This doesn't change as he gets older. He finds that this is not something he is in control of, but he becomes very aware that what is natural for him is not acceptable in society. In fact, it is hated. He could go to jail for a very long time if he acted on what he has found is his natural pattern of sexual arousal.
So, what does he do? He denies it. He stuffs it way down into his psyche where he thinks he has gotten rid of it. He acts like it is not there and goes on with what looks to everyone else as a normal life. The power of this repressed sexual energy can be too great. It has become extremely painful to hold this back. Eventually, it is acted on and we know what happens from there.
So, his pattern of sexual arousal is what he has always known. He doesn't know any different. But he cannot heal it because such a basic part of him is so socially unacceptable and so painful that he must deeply repress it. He has no opportunity to heal.
Of course, this is not always the case. Pedophilia can emerge in many different ways. Many people never act on their urges, but this is a classic example of how someone becomes an offender. And our culture just encourages it by not recognizing how this naturally occurs and doing something rational about it. Principally, support and acceptance at the age of sexual emergence would make great sense, wouldn't it? Gene Abel did a huge study in the 90's sponsored by the National Institute of Health and the National Organization of Women that supports this concept. Unfortunately, it was published post-Megan's Law. Everything that really made sense to prevent and heal pedophiliac propensities went totally down the tubes at that point. We truly missed our chance!
So, my point is that, as in homosexuality, pedophilia is most likely a naturally occuring state with a physiological basis. As in homosexuality, it is not cured. However, if we were really serious about preventing child sexual abuse, wouldn't it make sense to provide the appropriate support to help people heal the rift in their psyches and learn appropriate skills to be non-offending? Unfortunately, it seems like all we're serious about in this country is hate, blame and punishment!!
...so I will be checking out the resources from Germany...and continuing my studies in Restorative Justice.
Many blessings to you all!