I think people see what they want to see... I think the idea of karma is a negative thing... I have too much empathy and sympathy for people that suffer to ever tell people maybe they brought this on themselves or to condescend to them and tell them to be a better person if they want things to get better. I don't think I am negative at all.. logical... honest... realistic...too caring maybe but negative no way...

but they are US dishing out karma... the universe doesn't put people in prisons... judges and juries decide their punishments... which comes back to we create justice... not the universe

well, I work to keep my Karma on the positive side. Sure, crap happens...that's life...but happiness and good stuff also happens.
....and over my 42 years of life, I have seen assholes get theirs often enough to believe it's true.

be a better person, and better things will happen to you.
it's not condecending, and you have to try it with all your heart before you can argue with me that it's wrong.

nobody here would ever, ever say to someone with cancer that they deserved it. you're really stretching it to try and prove...i don't know??
that we're all fucked, so why bother being nice?

I never said don't be nice to people... I said be nice to people who are nice to you and if someone isn't so nice well then why are they deserving of you to nice in return?

be a better person and good things will happen is condescending because it suggests that what is happening is happening because the person wasn't good enough and the person has to be better to stop it from happening and if the bad doesn't stop then they are somehow to blame for not being good enough.

i didn't say good things will happen to you, i said better things will happen to you. BIG difference.

anyway, i don't feel like playing anymore and i'm going to stick you on ignore now. i'm sorry that you see only chaos, and need to wait to see how someone treats you before you take the initiative to be kind.

drag man!

it is also rather condescending to suggest that I haven't personally tried with all my heart to be a good person so I can't have a valid point... I won't even get into how you can't possibly know anything about me or what I have or haven't done and what I am deserving of... what I find amusing is the comment doesn't even upset me all that much and yet I am supposed to be the bad and negative one...

I mean I disagree with people but I haven't said anyone isn't a good enough person to disagree with me... if that isn't condescending I don't know what is... don't worry about it though... I don't take what most people say to heart... if I did I wouldn't be here. Hey maybe karma maybe you say it! :P

I hear what you are saying Darkened.

I hope you hear what I am saying as well.

To me, it is never a single person's place to dole out punishment to some jerk who is or was evil.

Christians think it is "god's" place Muslims think it is "allah's" place, and so on with all the various gods....

We are puny humans, it is never our place to punish other humans (as individuals) the legal system is all we have as far as putting bad people in their place. it is HIGHLY infallible.

ALL I have as far as any kind of "faith" is Karma. It is just as good as religion or human created "justice"
--and it works for me.

sorry...I meant HIGHLY fallible....not infallible.

if my presence bothers you so much go ahead... it is not as though I am harassing or stalking you lol... because I have a differing opinion is just so horrible... oookkk...

oh I totally understand why people want to believe in it... I think it is a great idea... I just haven't seen any proof of it in my own life... I have seen horrible things happen and no reason and I know personally I am not deserving of all the bad that has happened to me... I can't believe in something I have never seen or experienced

it doesn't darkenedstar. not at all. actually i think you're quite intelligent and very well spoken and clear.
i just don't want to argue. it isn't healthy for me mentally. it has nothing to do with you, but me looking out for me.
i'd simply rather be trying to help someone, or writing something positive, or cracking jokes and spinning tunes on the boards, rather than ever try to convince someone of something they don't believe.
that isn't respectful of you, y'know.

the thing is I didn't mail you or message you or make a post directed at you in any way.. I made a statement that anyone or no one could respond to... I didn't force anyone to talk to me... I have no less right to an opinion as anyone else... I find the idea of karma upsetting... it bothers me so I said something because I personally wondered if anyone had really thought the whole thing through... now if everyone would have ignored me that would have been fine... daisy chose to respond and I think she has been awesome... I am not upset in any way... for me this was all just discussion... if someone else chooses to see it as something negative like I said people see what they want to see...

I am all for cutting bad out of your life... I just don't see how I should personally have such an effect on someones life one way or another but whatever makes you happy...

I agree that everyone should be treated with dignity, especially at Christmas time
I find it a very difficult time
I dont see my family much as they live in different places, but this can be a good thing

LOL , LOL , funny , alot of folk think they must have the last word !!!
sorry , I couldn't resist , or didn't :-)