What you are stating is false. The articles state absolutely nothing you are saying.

They are trying to destigmatize mental illness and stop the use of slang derogatory terms such as crazy, looney and psycho, for example.

There is nothing about harm to someone being called bipolar, depressant or codependent.

Your summary is totally wrong. These articles are referring to using terms like "looney", "crazy", OR describing the mentally ill as "crawling around chewing on rocks".

Naming the issue using proper terms like bi-polar, depressed, and codependent is both appropriate and proper. Name calling is using a derogatory term rather than an appropriately defined medically accepted term.

Trying to expand the meaning of this article to the extreme claim that using appropriate medically accepted terms is name calling destroys the purpose of the cause.

It uses the suffering of others for ones own perusal agenda. Rather than actually support the real cause, such claims exploit others suffering to meet ones own agenda thereby damaging the meaning and allowing that suffering to continue unabated. Worse, such mistaken summaries can actually harm others. When taken to such extremes, it creates the impression that those with the condition are far too fragile to even acknowledging the medically accepted terms for their condition. It increases the bullying from society that realizes such extremes are impossible and unacceptable.

It is similar to those who follow the Celiac diet as the latest fad. It exploits the real suffering for attention seeking behavior. By giving other the wrong impression that I have a choice to eat gluten, I must struggle that much harder to get others to understand that it is medically necessary to my life to remain 100% GLUTEN FREE for the rest of my life. They ignore the realities and give manufacturers, restaurants, and grocery stores the impression that cross contamination is not a real danger to those who have Celiac. It minimizes my suffering and the very real danger to my life from exposure to gluten. I constantly face ignorance from wait staff, store clerks, and others who have only met those teaching that gluten free diet is such a fad and will go away like all other fads.

As I have described, such behavior minimizes that suffering, eliminates support, and creates confusion for the sufferers. They face even more difficulties from having to clarify and explain instead of receive support. It is a subtle form of hostile abuse.

For a Doctor or Mental Health professional to call a person according to their illness is to give them a diagnosis.

For the person to refer to their own condition by its official name is the patient's choice.

For other people to call a person by the name of their illness is derogatory and mean to do.

For you to proffer an article and claim it says something it does not, is absurd.

All you are doing is criticizing, and I realize that you want to criticize me, but your accusation is baseless.

The Links say what they say, and I say what I say, and the two are not meant to be the same.

The comments are my own comments, and the Links speak for them self.

If you or anyone wants to share your own comment then you are invited and welcome to do so.

And anyone is free to make their own comments about the links or about the subject or about some thing else, but just criticizing me is helping nothing and no one.

This is about trying to remove the stigma of mental illness and of mental health, and as such using the diagnosis to call names is a part of the problem.

This is talking about a new way of communication, where we do not define or categorize people based on their illness or on their health.

Actually I was being factual and not criticizing. It would seem that you are using triangulation in an effort to force people into compliance with what you dictate as "rules" when none exist to substantiate such.

Triangulation is definitely going on in this topic

There is another more passive aggressive and bulling tactic called, "moving the goalposts".

Somone incorrectly intrepts the actions and meaning of something. Then they change theirf point with each reply. It is all about taking away power and maintaining the upper hand.

To use the subject of mental health refferenced as "loonies", "nuts" and "crawling on the ground eating rocks" to advance any other agenda is arrogant and abusive. this minimizes the hurt in these well known phrases bluring the issue in order to draw attention to the one demanding such rigidly fine requirements.
Therefore diluting the issue and removing support.
Only short sighted individuals press such distinctions FIRST totally cconfusing and minimizing the real
epleti
ng and directing attention away from the sufferer and points the spot light onto the one

Sorry for that last bit. I was trying out my "smart" phone - smarter thanme it is and I still ccan't get it to do what I want.........darn computers. It guesses at answers and changes words randomly and what is with reminding me of every single thing it does with beep, whirr, and vibrate?
I swear I have C3PO in my pocket instead of a phone.

So I guess we need a rule to never drive a smarter than us phone late at night when one is too tired to control it properly. One might phone directly into oncoming texts or emails (heaven knows no one TALKS using PHONES anymore LOL) to prevent such tragedies as typing nonsense sentences that make no sense in the moning.

I cannot tell anything anything to you all about that final point.
So let's all guess. What point do you think I was making?
PRIZE: hmmmmmmmmmmmmm not sure ideas anyone?

Sunny

dynamical,

I have lived it. Carefully defining the issue that troubled me every time allowed me to name it, clarify who is responsible, and stop accepting blame or trying to fix a situation over which I have no control.

For me: This is a most hostile form of abuse. It leaves behind a misunderstanding that affects the lives of others in subtle and unkind ways. Unless the victim is very self aware, they find themselves constantly bounced around by things over which they have non control never understanding how to firmly plant their feet and put boundaries in place to protect themselves.

It also allows me to address these misconceptions directly with those being confused by such behavior thus educating those who desire such education. If they are willing to learn, they go on to recognize such abusive behaviors and stop being confused by such. If not, they continue and lose customer faith and eventually find other lines of work.

This also gives me a way to quickly evaluate service personnel at restaurants before I am made sick by their ignorance. I have learned to trust my instincts and get up to leave or talk to management to move to a server more educated so I can remain safe and healthy. Walking out was a real challenge the first couple times. But now I accept that my right to live overrides their right to ignorance about gluten and Celiac's.

For instance:
Servers who are thusly educated can effectively serve those simply seeking attention (catering to their attention seeking needs and finding (perhaps) larger tips) while also understanding the critical needs of those who truly suffer with this disease and serving them so they enjoy a meal without being made sick. They become better service personnel.

Those who refuse to learn - well I won't sit at their tables, neither will any Celiac once educated about their service abilities. I don't control their choices.

There are times when things happen outside ourselves that affect our lives. Learning to differentiate can bring peace to our lives.
We can teach. We can explain. We can not force others to learn.

I found AsTimeGoesBy's replies amazingly helpful without realizing what it was about them that helped. Thank you for pointing out what it is about her replies that is exceptional.
I need to really work on being less wordy and more clear.
I recognize this as a codependent behavior born from the fear "people won't like me" if I just state the obvious facts as simply and clearly as we see in AsTimeGoesBy's responses here.
I wonder if that is a social pejorative or something from my childhood. I will have to consider this during my work this week.

Thank you BOTH for these pertinent and excellent replies. I can see that we learn from watching each other's actions even in replies to others threads.

Very valuable discussion!

Once again BOTH of you (Dynamical & AsTimeGoesBy) have clearly pointed out areas which I recognize are still in need of some growth. I guess we never stop learning and growing.

I find it interesting that you recognize fear just like I am realizing fear is something I need to overcome.

If we go back to this thread topic:

The idea of removing the stigma is foremost about removing the name-calling, because people do not like being labeled, and especially do not like being categorized according to their health whether it is physical or psychological.

A person might have codependency but the person their self is not a codependent.

This is a new way of talking but the evidence has shown that very many people simply will not seek treatment if they are then going to be labeled (name-called) by the diagnosis.

http://www.healthyplace.com/stigma/stories/standing-up-to-mental-health-stigma-stories/

As to codependency many people wrongly associate the word with alcoholism which is only a small part of codependency, and yet it has become part of our stigma.

So true dynamical. Just the other day, I handled a medical situation with perfect calm and firm resolution refusing to accept the guilt that one staff member was using in an attempt to avoid doing a little work herself. I did not get angry or upset. I simply stated that I was refusing that particular part of the test because of past negative reactions.

It is so nice to be able to simply watch others with their guilt trips and pressure without getting caught up into it and be emotional and lose control of a situation.

And you are so right, there are some who are simply unwilling to do the work to change. They refuse to learn. They also apply all sorts of pressure to others to stay codependent.

Change is not always easy. Thankfully, we don't have to allow others to drag us back down into the pit of codependent behaviors.

Anti-stigma link = http://www.tbhsonline.com/anti-stigma.html

The Target near us is near the University so it is having great sales. I went today and among some of the sales I got, it had The Boss's cat food for 20 cents per can less than usual (then add that 5 percent discount too for using the Target card). So I got about 90 cans and they are the little cans.

I'm checking out and there were lines in so many of the registers due to the many sales. This adult man and wife in their early 50s were in back of me and the clerk was running the cat food through one can at a time because she didn't know how to ring 30 times X price.

The man behind me got really nasty and was complaining about how long this was taking, and his wife was trying to nicely calm him and then explained this was a major part of why she was divorcing him.

the man then got really bad and started talking about the ridiculous things in my order and (none were ridiculous and I had the toilet paper that was on sale, the Excedrin for migraines that was on sale, food that was on sale, cat food on sale--and more sale items). The cashier was getting nervous due to him. I was in my scooter and I turned the seat around and loudly said to him "DON'T EVEN GO THERE. SHE (meaning wife) HAS TO PUT UP WITH YOU BECAUSE SHE'S MARRIED TO YOU, BUT I DON'T. SETTLE DOWN MANAGEMENT TO PUT YOUR BUTT OUT OF HERE." He was so taken back, he couldn't speak and left. I calmly told the wife that she was good and calm with him, but I don't have to tolerate his behavior. She smiled at me.

The cashier relaxed, the whole line relaxed and everyone went back to life as normal.

Sorry, it cut some out. I told the man:

DON'T EVEN GO THERE. SHE(meaning wife) HAS TO PUT UP WITH YOU BECAUSE SHE'S MARRIED TO YOU, BUT I DON'T. SETTLE DOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE THIS CLOSE TO ME CALLING TARGET MANAGEMENT TO PUT YOUR BUTT OUT OF HERE."

Oh how very perfect. I can't stand people who have to comment about what others purchase.
There is NOTHING ridiculous about any purchase in anyone's order. If it is for sale in the store then it is NORMAL, NATURAL, NECESSARY, and no one has the right to stand around making everyone uncomfy.

Bet you showed a few others how to stand up (sitting down) to rude ignorant people who just want to make others uncomfortable. There are some who just always need to try and gain the upper hand. They don't really care about anyone but themselves. They shove their ideas down everyone's throat. And everyone is in their way for even existing. They are the only ones who matter.

I am so very proud of you. Clearly you said it loud enough for others to realize that he was out of line. That teaches others how to calmly stand up for themselves. This is one of the best things that we can do in life - teach others that it is not only OK to stand up for ourselves BUT OK to help others adjust their attitude back to a more social setting.

Wish I coulda been there.
Hope the Boss is happy with your selections. Did he go to make them? My puppy goes with me to choose his big teeth chewing cleanies.

Great story thanks for sharing.