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Hello all.. Seems a while since I've posted anything of substance, even though there have been some important changes recently. So instead of a journal entry, I figure I'd spill the beans public style, because I think there are some out there in similar situations that may benefit from my experiences.
The prologue: Wife blindsides me with divorce, citing my issues (porn/sex addiction, lack of trust/emotional safety, etc.) without owning anything of her own. I find out she's in love with someone else. When I confront her about it, she claims she only acknowledged her feelings for him after she decided to divorce. So at the very best, which I still doubt, she's guilty of not being honest with herself for a long time, as I don't believe you just fall in love with someone overnight.
After getting laid off, I'm forced to move back in with her (I was on the road traveling for work). We had a couple long talks, she acknowledged her part in the problems, acknowledged the sex addiction and most of the other issues of mine were fabricated by her resentments.
I had a quick rebound relationship that everyone told me not to do, but I did anyway, and ended up hurting her a little, which really made me feel like shit. But I learned a lot about myself from it.
Fast-forward a month or so. I begin to realize how much guilt she's holding because of how much her decision hurt me. Being in a relatively good place, and being the zen master that I am (lol not really) I finally found forgiveness. I told her I just wanted her to be happy, that I value whatever experience and past we had, as it was a huge part of my life (we got married at 20/21; 12 year marriage). I fogave her humaness and imperfection, and still loved her in spite of it. It was a huge cleansing of my soul, and I felt great relief. I highly recommend it if you can/should.
Recently, we've regained a bit of our friendship back. I wouldn't say we're friends enough to go watch a movie or whatever together, but friendly. We can talk about what happened with our relationship, and how we're feeling in our current lives. We have a son, so I'm glad we're so friendly.
The other night, she broke down crying and said she's worried she's made a huge mistake. She didn't come right out and say that she did make a mistake, but she's very confused because of our new friendship. I also think she's starting to see that even though we're split up, and friendly, she didn't gain any of the happiness she expected. And she's also realizing I wasn't as bad as she though I was.
It's very bittersweet to her, and me really, that we can get to this place of openess and trust now. I know that if I wanted to, we could probably try again.
If.
I don't.
When I was hurting, looping around the roller coaster, I sooooo wanted her to realize she made a huge mistake, and come crawling back; I dreamed of it constantly. Either so I could tell her to fuck off, or to take her back, I was never really sure. But now, I've come to realize a few important things:
1. She still has some heavy things inside she needs to work out. Things that at one time I was willing to help her through and wait for. But I feel like I've learned that that is not fair to me, and she won't be able to do that kind of healing while rebuilding our relationship.
2. Our relationship had a purpose, and it's been fulfilled. I still love her very much, as the mother of my son, as the person I spent 15 years with, etc. And while I treasure our time together, it's time to move on. When we're not able to learn from each other anymore, in a healthy way, you have to let them go, and let yourself go.
3. We were married so young, it's okay for me to admit that we've grown so much over the past 15 years of our lives, that we're really not all that good for each other anymore, nor do we really share any common interests anymore. I think if we were to date right now, I wouldn't ask for a second...
4. Lastly, there are important reasons why we're able to be such good friends right now. We're not forced to deal with our deep, long standing issues like we would if we were in a relationship. There are lots of resentments still lingering that we just don't have to care about anymore. And honestly I don't think we really trust each other anymore. I certainly don't trust her to be honest with me about her feelings, and I doubt she's able to be honest with herself, which is really more important.
And of course, I think she's a little freaked out that I've fallen in love with a beautiful, healthy, intelligent, self-aware woman. Maybe she always thought I'd be around if she changed her mind, I don't know.
Yes, I've fallen in love. Madly. Like retardedly. At first I was worried that I wasn't ready. And I still have huge fears that I will hurt her. But I trust myself, and I trust her judgment. It's only been 4 and a half months since my stbx left me, which is a blink of an eye to most. But I know where I am, and I'm comfortable with myself. I was, and could be happy by myself. Our relationship has no agenda, no expectations, lots of communication and trust. Honesty, compassion, and utter comfort. Common interests and values. And chemistry!! I'd be a fool to let that go, even though the long distance thing is killing us.
She knows everything about me, and has seen me at my worst. She knows all my secrets, and accepts me, as I accept her. Completely. She knows I still have some smaller things to work through regarding my divorce, and I admire her healthy decision to be there for me as I do.
So that's my story so far. In the worlds biggest nutshell. To everyone out there that thinks their world has ended, they're doomed to unhappiness, or that they'll never be healthy, Think Again. Things do get better, 4 months or 4 years later. Life goes on. Don't be afraid to dig and learn everything you can about yourself, life, and your ex. Don't rush it, but don't be afraid to push yourself. Challenge yourself.
You have to do the work, but it's your choice to be happy.
--Jared
The prologue: Wife blindsides me with divorce, citing my issues (porn/sex addiction, lack of trust/emotional safety, etc.) without owning anything of her own. I find out she's in love with someone else. When I confront her about it, she claims she only acknowledged her feelings for him after she decided to divorce. So at the very best, which I still doubt, she's guilty of not being honest with herself for a long time, as I don't believe you just fall in love with someone overnight.
After getting laid off, I'm forced to move back in with her (I was on the road traveling for work). We had a couple long talks, she acknowledged her part in the problems, acknowledged the sex addiction and most of the other issues of mine were fabricated by her resentments.
I had a quick rebound relationship that everyone told me not to do, but I did anyway, and ended up hurting her a little, which really made me feel like shit. But I learned a lot about myself from it.
Fast-forward a month or so. I begin to realize how much guilt she's holding because of how much her decision hurt me. Being in a relatively good place, and being the zen master that I am (lol not really) I finally found forgiveness. I told her I just wanted her to be happy, that I value whatever experience and past we had, as it was a huge part of my life (we got married at 20/21; 12 year marriage). I fogave her humaness and imperfection, and still loved her in spite of it. It was a huge cleansing of my soul, and I felt great relief. I highly recommend it if you can/should.
Recently, we've regained a bit of our friendship back. I wouldn't say we're friends enough to go watch a movie or whatever together, but friendly. We can talk about what happened with our relationship, and how we're feeling in our current lives. We have a son, so I'm glad we're so friendly.
The other night, she broke down crying and said she's worried she's made a huge mistake. She didn't come right out and say that she did make a mistake, but she's very confused because of our new friendship. I also think she's starting to see that even though we're split up, and friendly, she didn't gain any of the happiness she expected. And she's also realizing I wasn't as bad as she though I was.
It's very bittersweet to her, and me really, that we can get to this place of openess and trust now. I know that if I wanted to, we could probably try again.
If.
I don't.
When I was hurting, looping around the roller coaster, I sooooo wanted her to realize she made a huge mistake, and come crawling back; I dreamed of it constantly. Either so I could tell her to fuck off, or to take her back, I was never really sure. But now, I've come to realize a few important things:
1. She still has some heavy things inside she needs to work out. Things that at one time I was willing to help her through and wait for. But I feel like I've learned that that is not fair to me, and she won't be able to do that kind of healing while rebuilding our relationship.
2. Our relationship had a purpose, and it's been fulfilled. I still love her very much, as the mother of my son, as the person I spent 15 years with, etc. And while I treasure our time together, it's time to move on. When we're not able to learn from each other anymore, in a healthy way, you have to let them go, and let yourself go.
3. We were married so young, it's okay for me to admit that we've grown so much over the past 15 years of our lives, that we're really not all that good for each other anymore, nor do we really share any common interests anymore. I think if we were to date right now, I wouldn't ask for a second...
4. Lastly, there are important reasons why we're able to be such good friends right now. We're not forced to deal with our deep, long standing issues like we would if we were in a relationship. There are lots of resentments still lingering that we just don't have to care about anymore. And honestly I don't think we really trust each other anymore. I certainly don't trust her to be honest with me about her feelings, and I doubt she's able to be honest with herself, which is really more important.
And of course, I think she's a little freaked out that I've fallen in love with a beautiful, healthy, intelligent, self-aware woman. Maybe she always thought I'd be around if she changed her mind, I don't know.
Yes, I've fallen in love. Madly. Like retardedly. At first I was worried that I wasn't ready. And I still have huge fears that I will hurt her. But I trust myself, and I trust her judgment. It's only been 4 and a half months since my stbx left me, which is a blink of an eye to most. But I know where I am, and I'm comfortable with myself. I was, and could be happy by myself. Our relationship has no agenda, no expectations, lots of communication and trust. Honesty, compassion, and utter comfort. Common interests and values. And chemistry!! I'd be a fool to let that go, even though the long distance thing is killing us.
She knows everything about me, and has seen me at my worst. She knows all my secrets, and accepts me, as I accept her. Completely. She knows I still have some smaller things to work through regarding my divorce, and I admire her healthy decision to be there for me as I do.
So that's my story so far. In the worlds biggest nutshell. To everyone out there that thinks their world has ended, they're doomed to unhappiness, or that they'll never be healthy, Think Again. Things do get better, 4 months or 4 years later. Life goes on. Don't be afraid to dig and learn everything you can about yourself, life, and your ex. Don't rush it, but don't be afraid to push yourself. Challenge yourself.
You have to do the work, but it's your choice to be happy.
--Jared
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I wish you both the Zeniest best!
Happiness is a choice and only you know what's right for you.....when you find that happiness, hold on with both hands......life is short.......
You can't work on yourself when you're worried about someone elses feelings. That's not going to work. So, this girl that you're so madly in love with will be left with a broken heart and you will be left with a broken spirit.
I don't know you or your story but I saw that there title, read, and was like O_o... People may agree people may not, I don't care. I just say proceed with caution. That little "Rebound" you said you had earlier, wasn't your rebound, this one is and it's going to hurt like a mofo.
All the things you say in your post are very true, but at the end of the day, you know your heart hurt when she started crying and had it not been for this new found love, you both would be working it out right now.... Denying that is just stupid. She was your person for 15 years, if it didn't hurt, well, then there is something off. If she has decided that it was a mistake, and you love her, which you do. Why would you continue down an unknown road with so much distance? Communication is important but I mean come on, talking on the phone can only give you so much before the pressures of being adults kicks in.
Your stbx, made mistakes but I'm sure you did too. None of which can't be worked out, the love you have with this other girl could possibly be a love you share with your wife a love that you are putting into her when in fact it really isn't her. It's only her because she cares and "Gets" you.... I had that too, in my Rebound.
But, if not, cheers to a happy ending with ya.
Thank You.
Love is grand, I wish you every happiness.
(I don't do the angry PM thing lol)
So, to respond to Kelly, (which I really do appreciate btw, conversation is why we're here), I guess I should have mentioned that I've done an awful lot of work on myself. The hardest part was separating what really were my issues with what she claimed were my issues. And realizing and overcoming the lack of self that made me weak enough to blindly follow her delusions. Truth be told, my marriage was in such trouble for so long, and I had been traveling so extensively for so long, that I'd been doing an incredible amount of work on myself and really finding who I am long before the divorce.
Of course it hurts me that she's in so much pain. It kills me, and yes it's because I still love her. But not as a wife, or companion. I had decided that I did not to want to reconcile before I decided to meet my new girlfriend. The fact of the matter is that she still hates herself. She's depressed, and her therapist has actually told her she can't help her anymore. Our relationship was dysfunctional before the divorce, and she hasn't changed anything within herself to make any difference with that now. While I may have been willing to wait for her to get her shit together, and compromise who I am during our marriage for the sake of avoiding confrontation, no longer. As the old saying goes, sometimes when you love someone, you have to let them go. There really isn't any way for her to heal while we're married. She can't love me the way I deserve while she hates herself. Maybe that sounds selfish, but the other side of that is what we see here all too often: someone in a one-ended relationship with a partner that doesn't respect them. It's not healthy. She won't allow me to love her the way she needs while she hates herself. Why WOULD I want to get back together?? All this breeds incredible resentments, which is exactly what destroyed our marriage in the first place. So I think going back with her is exactly what I would do if I hadn't done the work.
I have a lot of faith in the emotional health and intelligence of my new love. And while I know I'm damn sexy, I doubt I could have seduced her into something she would have had any uneasy feelings about. She's seen me since I got here, and has seen me go through this process. She's a big girl and if I didn't think she knew what she's getting into I wouldn't be as comfortable as I am with this.
And you're right, my little rebound wasn't a full blown rebound, but I did get a very important taste of what it's like to hurt someone because I wasn't ready. And I am still extremely scared of doing that again, so it's been constantly on my mind, and I'm still okay with it. There is no agenda with our relationship, no needs, only honesty, communication, comfort and acceptance. Just because those things were lacking in my last relationship doesn't mean I should stay away from them out of fear of some kind of rebound psychology. Nor will I fear loving someone else.
A helluva nice thing to read here before bed. thank-you.
I'm sure you're new found love will give you some sort of help. Every single relationship is a growing experience. It is always a painful experience even if said relationship is a good one. Lessons learned.
My concern is that the relationship you have entered is a scary one. Not because of who it's with, but because of where you are in this break up. I've not seen many relationships last right out of a break up, unless the break up was because of the relationship.
Protect your heart and think for yourself. Yeah, good news and positive vibes are always great, picking up a book to help explain your issues can't hurt but don't ignore your true feelings. Not saying that positive crap is going to be shoved down your throat or antyhing, I'm simply stating facts. Every new relationship seems great and since your relationship is with someone here it can make for a very difficult process to discuss true feelings. I know first hand, as I'm sure many do. Finding something in someone where there was a void in a the previous relationship is easy to find, especially when that person can relate. It's also very hard to let that relationship go when it has done what is was supposed to do. I found that my "rebound" relationship was way more painful than my actual divorce only because the person I was with gave me everything I wanted in my marriage. I got the attention that I wanted, space, affection, compliments, and self worth back. When it ended, they all ended and I was left more empty that I was before it happened. I didn't feel like I was ever going to recover.
Now, I don't care who you fall in love with, or who they are on DS, I'm going to give my honest opinion either way. Because I know they wouldn't hold back on me and even if they did, I'd still give it.
Congrats on your new loving relationship, I hope you prove me wrong, seriously.
Nite Jaken. :)
No worries Jakey.. my bad.. I'll save you some thin mints :)
Sorry if there were PM's or phone calls flying; they certainly weren't from me.. that's not my thang at all. I value and encourage your and anyone elses' honesty.
I guess what I'm confused about is what's wrong with valuing things that your failed marriage lacked? Shouldn't you want to look for things that when lacking made your marriage fail? Things like trust, honesty, compassion, acceptance, and healthy boundaries? Shouldn't you also stay away from the negative things that help bring about the divorce? Like resentment and delusions?
Now, believe me, I know the important thing is to learn and practice the root causes of these things. It doesn't do either of us any good if I'm attracted to say, acceptance, and not know why that's important, or where that attraction is coming from. I'm a firm believer in not being attracted to someone just because they exhibit positive or negative traits directly related to your ex. That's just sick. However I'm also a firm believer in learning from life's experiences. I'd be a fool to go through this divorce and not learn more about who I am and what I value in a relationship. There's definitely a balance there..
Also, I was pretty happy before this new relationship. I wasn't lacking anything. I was pretty happy before the divorce. (In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have been, but I've worked through that a bit too). I don't feel like I'm filling any voids with her (hehe), or even looking to gain anything from this relationship. It just... is. I love her for who she is, not who she's replacing.
I hope we prove you wrong too :)
So if you had all those wonderful, and important things like affection, space, attention, compliments, and especially self worth, why was that a bad relationship? If you don't mind me asking, just so I can understand, what went wrong?
I guess it's a general question for everyone: what's the difference between an unhealthy "rebound", and the eventual healthy relationship that we're all waiting/searching for? What determines when we're healthy enough to be in a "valid" relationship?