Treeshaw, There were two people hung on a cross next to Jesus. Jesus told one of the criminals he is going to heaven with him, is because the criminal believed Jesus was God's son. In the Bible it says the only way to God is through his only son Jesus.

Lastgunslinger, your son is not necessarily going to hell because he is Gay. The Catholics, if I am right said that was the ultimate sin. That is wrong. A sin is a sin.

restles, To clarify my evolution comment. I do not believe in the Therory of evolution that we came from monkeys. But I do believe we evolve to our environment. I belive we were made by God.

Jeesh, testy, testy

Now that's your mainline offensive born again for ya. Please take a moment to have a basic understanding of Catholicism before quoting false doctrine. "If I'm right...." Well, you're not.

Second, "the way to the Father is through Me". Born againers interpret that statement in one fashion designed to create an exclusive Christian club that sends everyone else to hell. Correct me if I am wrong, but that is placing yourself on the level of God with the power to say who goes up and who goes down. That, my friend, is the greatest sin. Such a person, or self-proclaimed mainstream Christian religious sect, seems most certainly damned to hell, don't they?

Just a thought

I listen to what the bible says

One of the most misused verses in the Bible is, "Judge not, that ye be not judged." (Matthew 7:1). Every Scripture verse should be read in its context, if we are to properly understand the true meaning. In vs.2-5 of this same chapter it is evident that v.1 is referring to hypocritical judgment. A brother who has a beam in his own eye should not be judging the brother who may have a mote in his eye. The lesson is plain, you cannot judge another for his sin if you are guilty of the same sin.

Those who cling to "Judge not, that ye be not judged," to condemn those who expose error should read the entire chapter. Jesus said, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing..." (v.15). How can we know false prophets unless we judge them by the Word of God? If we know the false prophets, how can we fail to warn the sheep of these "ravening wolves?" All through the Bible we find proof that they should be identified and exposed.

"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit" (vs.16,17). Did the Lord mean that we could not judge the tree (person), by the fruit of their life and doctrine? Certainly not, for you cannot know without judging. All judgment should be on the basis of Bible teaching, not according to whims or prejudices.

"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." (John 7:24). Here our Lord commands that we are to "judge righteous judgment," which is judgment based upon the Word of God. If judgment is made upon any other basis, other than the Word of God, it is a violation of Matt. 7:1. Webster's Dictionary says that a judge is "one who declares the law." The faithful Christian must discern of judge on the basis of God's inspired law, the Bible.

A fornicator is described in 1st Corinthians 5:1-13. Paul "judged" (v.3) the man even though he was absent, and he told the Church at Corinth that they were to "judge" (v.12) those that were within. The Greek word for "judge" is the same here as in Matthew 7:1. Paul did not violate "judge not, that ye be not judged," in judging the man, nor in instructing the Church to judge also. All of this judgment was according to the Word of God.

A person who is able to discern between good and evil, has at least one of the major marks of spiritual maturity. "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil." (Hebrews 5:14). W.E. vine says of the meaning of discern, "a distinguishing, a clear discrimination, discerning, judging; is translated 'discerning' in 1st Corinthians 12:10 of discerning spirits, judging by evidence whether they are evil or of God." Strong also agrees that it means to judge.

Those who are unwilling or incapable of discerning or judging between good and evil are in this manner revealing either their disobedience or their immaturity.

Nick, you always have good things to add.

When you guys start mud wrestling and bikinis are involved, let me know. I'll have the popcorn ready

GrapeKoolaid your a funny character!
:)

I never thought this thread would go this far to those of you who are christian like I am it doesn't mean God does not let man evolve, just as you evolve spiritually you can physically as well. thus the average height of man has grown since egyptian times etc To the rest I just thought this was an interesting point after witnessing BP first hand for the last 10 years

What a fascinating post! I have thought this for years, but I had no idea that anyone else also thought the same thing. You must be a very interesting person to talk with.

I donno I have a different perspective when it comes to this I think the explosion in BP people come from the toxicity created by man, EMF/cell phone tower toxicity created by man, Geneticaly motified foods Created by man, so I guess you can say it is natures way because our mind has to try to adabt to unnatural causes in the enviroment. I mean sure there are some people that have a natural chemical imbalance or genetic but there are more BP people and skitso's these days than in the 50's etc..

good point nickpc2001 but when you look back to the 1800's and everything was "Natural" the average life span was 42 years old and BP was probably refered to as someone "touched" or senile

Yea you also have to look at how much cancer has went up since the 50's and how many kids are coming down with autism etc.. I think most of the illness among us today is due to most of those factors.

in the 50's if a child had cancer it was VERY VERY rare almost like seeing an alien.

Now it's very common

unfortunately communications and records weren't as easy to come by in the 50's or prior. The information age has made these type of things more visible not more prevalent I believe

Well in the last 20 years
cancer has exploded
autism has exploded
bipolar has exploded
There has to be more to the story than just genetics..