Pulmonary Embolism Support Group
By far the most common form of pulmonary embolism is a thromboembolism, which occurs when a blood clot, generally a venous thrombus, becomes dislodged from its site of formation and embolizes to the arterial blood supply of one of the lungs. Symptoms may include difficulty breathing, pain during breathing, and more rarely circulatory instability and death.
mrschicopea
Its been two weeks since I was diagnosed with my PE (though five weeks total from onset of symptoms). Two small ones in my lungs and a DVT. I never felt the DVT, just very bad shortness of breath with the PE. I was scanned once and misdiagnosed with pleurisy. Then two weeks later at a different ER and they found the PE. I was in the hospital for two days. Now I've been home for a little under two weeks and I'm a wreck. I'm crying all the time. I feel like a ticking time bomb. I had no risk factors (that we know of yet, genetic testing isn't in yet). I'm young (31). No one in my family has clotting issues. I used to have an "irrational" fear of lung clots for years prior to this happening. Its like my worst nightmare has come true and I don't know if I'm ever going to be able to mentally recover.
Today is my first day off of lovenox because my INR at my last two readings were 2.4 and 2.3. I'm scared to be off the lovenox. Honestly, all of this is giving me suicidal thoughts. Like, why wait for something like this to end up killing me. Because that's what it feels like to me. Like I'm just waiting for it to kill me. Or come back once I eventually go off coumadin and kill me then. You'd think I'd find some new lease on life and want to enjoy every second, but the opposite is true. I find no joy in anything. One of my biggest fears in the hospital was not seeing my kids again (four kids 7 and under) and now I just feel like I want to escape everything.
On top of this I have an active case of CMV and CBV. I'm just spent. I am overwhelmed.
Today is my first day off of lovenox because my INR at my last two readings were 2.4 and 2.3. I'm scared to be off the lovenox. Honestly, all of this is giving me suicidal thoughts. Like, why wait for something like this to end up killing me. Because that's what it feels like to me. Like I'm just waiting for it to kill me. Or come back once I eventually go off coumadin and kill me then. You'd think I'd find some new lease on life and want to enjoy every second, but the opposite is true. I find no joy in anything. One of my biggest fears in the hospital was not seeing my kids again (four kids 7 and under) and now I just feel like I want to escape everything.
On top of this I have an active case of CMV and CBV. I'm just spent. I am overwhelmed.
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Please know that some of what you're experiencing is normal It's not unusual to feel fear after such a life threatening event. I think most of us, to varying degrees, have felt fear in some way- fear of being off lovenox, of coming off warfarin, of getting another PE etc. The unknowns are overwhelming. And the fatigue after coming home from the hospital doesn't help either. It can take its toll, make it hard to think straight.
And I felt a bit like you shortly afterward, like where's this big epiphany about having a new lease on life?? It's much more complex than that and eventually you do feel some of that. It just doesn't come right away sometimes because you're processing everything. But what you will see here are people who were at their lowest after diagnosis who have managed to overcome that. So please know this does get better.
With that said, please talk to someone. I went to counseling shortly after my PE because I started having anxiety issues and panic attacks which I'd never experienced before in my life. I would suggest you see or call someone as soon as possible considering you're thoughts of suicide.
Please take care of yourself
Thanks for the comments. I do appreciate hearing the feedback. I feel pretty lonely in all of this.
No one understands what you're going through more than we do. So please continue to reach out here if you need to.
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A lot of what you are experiencing is really, really normal after such a major health event. I had two DVTs prior to my PEs (my first DVT was at age 30), and I handled those really, really well. You'd think I would have been fine with the PEs showing up, but they threw me for an emotional loop that took months to recovery from. Seriously, the emotional recovery was SO much harder than the physical recovery.
Emotionally, I was pretty numb while in the hospital. Then, my second night out of the hospital the anxiety struck hard and that was about the last time I could sleep through the night for about the next six months. I did several repeat trips to the ER with symptoms that turned out to be anxiety (which mirror clot symptoms pretty closely) and I finally decided to get on a long-term anti-anxiety/anti-depressant med and get into some therapy to help me cope with it all. I took the meds for two years, but only did the therapy for a couple of months until I felt a little more sorted out.
It totally makes sense that setting up the therapy appointment would seem a little overwhelming. Is there anyone else who can call and set it up for you? Having that little bit of help and getting yourself in to talk to someone might really help you in coming to terms with all this.
Actually, it makes sense that EVERYTHING would seem overwhelming. An event like clots can really just knock you on your tail for a while, both emotionally and physically. Try to baby yourself for a while and cut back on what you're expecting yourself to do every day. You've absolutely got to cut yourself some slack while recovering from this kind of thing, especially considering how recent your diagnosis was. It really can take a while to wrap your mind around everything and find a way to pull yourself back up.
Hang in there and make it a point to get in for some therapy. Or, if nothing else, call one of the national suicide hotlines (1-800-273-8255 or google for others) and talk to someone there. You don't even have to leave the house for that!
Please hang in there! And read around on the boards a little bit. You'll find that many of us have wrestled with the same mental demons you're facing down now. We're here for you.
As FGtri and rmb say above, much of what you describe is a fairly normal diagnosis scenario and reaction. In many ways this sucks, but that is often how it goes. Without going into a lot of detail, I had massive, bilateral PEs for at least 3 months before their eventual diagnosis. GP initially suggested it was stress, I felt like hitting the guy. Similarly, I've two six year olds who were shocked to see me hooked up to the oxygen machine in hospital. However, they soon got over it when they found they could play with the bed and change the height, angle etc which kept them occupied on future visits.
In many ways, once your INR ratings are OK and you're on the appropriate anticoagulant, you're in a much safer position than a month ago. Its natural to worry about what may have happened, but you got diagnosed and are on the appropriate treatment. Hate to say it as well, but there may be side effects from the anticoagulant to come where you feel rubbish, but you are healthier. You just have to tell yourself it and be patient with your recovery.
If you need to talk to a therapist go for it. Similarly, if you fancy a rant at the world on the forum go for it as well ... Most have felt the need at one time or another.
I remember waiting for a new lease of life and one doc telling me it might help cure my health anxiety as I had survived something major, er no, just another thing to worry about so I totally get the feeling of hopelessness you have right now! BUT the overwhelmedness WILL pass, the fear WILL pass. There is absolutely nothing to say you will clot again. Hundreds of people pass through these boards who never clot again. Please hang in there. It is natural to be scared, we have all been, and still occasionally are scared. But life does get better, promise
Also, do you have a family member who can help you get set up with a therapist? Having to deal with insurance and paperwork when you are vulnerable stinks.
This group really helped me when I was diagnosed, and I hope that I can pay it forward by helping you. This is a great group and they have such good advice and care about each other.
I'm brand new to this too. 3 weeks ago tonight.
It's so comforting to read everyone's stories. I have no one locally who really understands this, so I'm glad to discover this group.
Mrs. C, we HAVE to keep plugging away at this thing called life. We were put here to drive our kids bonkers! Yours are still young, mine's a teenager. :-)
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Trust me, I know its easy to say and not so easy to do but hang on in there. What you are going through is massive and you are going to feel the effects, both physically and mentally.
Just take things one step at a time and allow yourself time to rest when you need it.
It's hard and it sucks to go from living a full life one day to struggling to breathe and exercise and have no energy the next. SO THANKFUL to this group that has been there, done that, as it helps me take one day at a time and KNOW that there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Hang in there - we've got this!!!
Second, venting here is good along with therapy, medicine, journaling, yoga, meditation,etc. whatever it takes to help you through all of this. Different things work for different folks.
I can understand the wanting to "escape everything" you mention. There are a lot of family issues going on here at home right now and there are days I wish the ground would just open up and swallow me! Life in general does get better with time tho.
I am 3 months post bilateral PE's and DVT in my left leg. I am raising a 6 yr old granddaughter, working part time for the school, and helping out some with a 4 month old granddaughter.
For me getting off the Lovenox was the thing I looked forward to the most at the hospital. I was so bruised from the shots I looked like I had been in a very bad car wreck plus they hurt. I like the fact that I can take medicine once a day and be where I need to be with the Warfarin.
Right now, you have to do what YOU need to do for YOU. I know with kids at home that is far from easy. They don't understand why you are tired or hurting or why mom can't run like she used to do.
I am not certain what CMV & CBV are but any additional health issues makes it harder to bounce back from the PE's themselves.
There are better days ahead and lots of reasons to live although right now it may be hard to believe all of that. Glad you are here to vent to us!