Any chance you were laying on your leg funny or had your knee bent in a weird position during sleep?

I think if it were a clot, the pain would typically be constant, but I know, there are those times where the symptoms are different than how people normally present with a clot.

I know you have another health issue... any chance it's caused from that?

Certainly doesn't hurt to call your PCP. I'd probably do that as well if there was no obvious reason for it. I suspect for you to say your pain is at 8 means it's pretty painful, subjective or not.

Thanks----Of course there could be a chance I had my knee bent funny, but of course I don't remember.

Knee pain is one of the most mentioned symptoms of Lyme but probably one of the least actually experienced! Shades of a doctor who somehow got to be known as the Father of Lyme!!! And has been the cause of untold people not getting treated correctly.

Rant over, I don't think it's that but the thought did enter my mind.

When I had DVTs which resulted in PEs there was never any pain/swelling or redness with them. Just a cough and SOB that were horrific.

As I sit absolutely no pain at all. And even just standing---- little pain. Walking---- yee-ouch!

I haven't called my PCP because, well, basically I detest him. LOL But my advice to everyone else here is to ALWAYS call your PCP. (grin)

I'm using this as an excuse to have a friend over to cook dinner and hand me cookies for dessert! But if the pain is still there tomorrow---- I'll have to do something---- maybe a drop in clinic.

I appreciate your answer, rmb.

I read about something referred to as "loose bodies" where a piece of torn cartilage can chip off and float around the knee joint with no symptoms but if that piece gets caught between 2 pieces of bone, it can cause sudden intense pain. I don't know how often that happens and if that's what's going on but just thought I'd mention it..

I've had PCPs where I'd rather drill nails through my eyes than make an appointment with them so I get you on that. But check in with someone for sure. Whatever it is, it's not right.

Enjoy your cookies!

I agree that whether it's a DVT or not, if you're hurting that badly then you should check with someone. I can't remember if your PE's were kind of 'stand alone' events or if you also knew of and associated DVT with either event, so this may or may not help.

If you've had other known DVT's, to me you'd probably recognize the pain. I've gotten so used to clots by now I pretty much know that's what it is when the pain starts, even if it takes me a couple of days to accept it and see a doctor.

I did, though, have a completely unrelated, temporary knee problem for awhile which caused me pretty significant pain, but I never even wondered if it was a DVT because it didn't feel like one. I also never had swelling or discoloration with my clots prior to diagnosis, so the only thing I personally can gauge it on is the sensation/pain
My DVT pains were actually not constant, but for me, it would calm and feel pretty normal while I sat, however when I stood it would hurt like crazy. It wasn't just walking that caused my pain, but as you know and said, the symptoms can differ person to person and even clot to clot. I would tend, though, to think it's more like a mechanical issue with your knee itself, since it only hurts walking.

Whatever it is, I hope you get it figured out and can get it feeling better soon.

@Shilosmommy------because I never had pain from a DVT (like you're describing) I don't know what clot pain would feel like. Do you get DVTs while still on Coumadin and in range?

@rmb The 'loose bodies' thing makes a little sense, when connected with Lyme disease because Lyme does like to 'eat cartilage. :(

Another thing that makes sense for Lyme is it's waxing and waning propensities. Symptoms come and go, for no obvious reason, making doctors think the person is a hypochondriac!

I'm going to wait until tomorrow then see if the walk-in clinic has a machine to perform an ultrasound/sonogram whatever and get that done if they feel it's necessary. (I don't think good doctors mess around when there's a possibility it could be a DVT.)

Thanks to both of you for your informed opinions.

Cave, none of my DVTs happened while I was on coumadin, the only clot I got while on it was the arterial clot in my arm, and while I was therapeutic when the clot was diagnosed, I was off coumadin for a procedure when it started started forming.
Even though we occasionally get people here who clot while therapeutic, I too tend to think that it's extremely rare for that to happen. And how many of them might have been below therapeutic also when the clot started even if they were therapeutic at diagnosis?

Since you haven't had pain with previous DVTs I'd tend to think the fact you have pain now may be a good indication it's something different.

(Though I think still you need a doctor anyway due to the level of pain, besides that I still always feel that if there's any question of a DVT, even a small chance, we just have to check with a doctor.)

Also, how does your pain feel? Is it like something in the knee joint hurting?

That's what I assume since you say it's knee pain....personally I never had or have pain in my knee from a DVT and I've had three times DVTs in my legs.
My popliteal vein in one leg is permanently almost completely occluded, yet I don't get pain in the joint. What I do get is an uncomfortable feeling from the swelling on the back of my knee, but it's not pain.

Please take care of yourself and let us know what you find out

I have to sort of agree with you, Shilos, about it being a joint pain and not so much a clot--- of course clots will always be a worry for me, you understand. But I'm a lifer with Coumadin and, as I said, always in range except for a couple of times a point or two below or above.

It's a sharp pain and it DOES feel like it's in the knee joint.

I don't WANT joint or cartilage pain, you understand (grin) but it's better than clots in my lungs or brain!

"Nods" about the popliteal vein---- I understand what you're saying. Even if my popliteal vein was swollen or impaired discomfort (or pain) wouldn't come in an instant.

I'm going to the clinic tomorrow morning unless the da** pain is completely gone tomorrow a.m.

Tues. .a.m.--- well the pain didn't magically go away, as I had hoped. So it's off to the clinic today. A friend is driving me there about 10 a.m and I guess they'll start with X-rays.
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I'll keep you posted. Hope it's nothing serious. Sigh.

Ugh, well I guess you'll know what it is soon enough, I hope. The not so fun part is when they hem and haw about what it could be, or not be. No fun.

Let us know how everything goes.

I'm sorry. I hope they're able to figure it out quickly and get you some relief from the pain.