Life After Divorce Support Group
This community is dedicated to starting over after a divorce. With the marriage over, how do individuals begin a new chapter in their lives and what hurdles do they face? Divorce is often one of the most traumatic periods in a person's life. Studies show it is the second-most stressful event in life, after the death of a spouse.
You would advocate that one spouse can cheat over and over again on his/her spouse, sleep around, potentially bring home deadly diseases, all because you don't believe in divorce?
You say that divorce causes harm to the children? What about the harm to the children that comes from watching one parent disrespect the other through addiction, abuse, or infidelity? What lessons are the children learning then? All this because you don't believe in divorce?
You say divorce will cause harm to the one who gets the divorce? Seriously? Divorcing my cheating ex was the best thing I ever did. I finally stood up, found some self-respect and said, "I will no longer be humiliated and disrespected by your cheating." Divorce didn't harm me--it freed me to a life of no more emotional/verbal abuse and disrespectful cheating from my ex.
And yes, I still believe I am an honorable person.
I have to ask: are you even married?
I have to echo hurtinandhealin here.
Does it NOT matter what happens to the other spouse and children when....
one spouse repeatedly CHOOSES to not honor their vows by lying and/or cheating?
one person CHOOSES to be repeatedly physically, mentally, emotionally, sexually, financially and/or spiritually abusive to their spouse and/or children? (did you know that repeated abuse, even just witnessing it, can cause not just PTSD, but also brain damage where the hippocampus shrinks making it difficult to make choices because one cannot see all the options available to them?)
one person CHOOSES to focus on his/her addiction(s) rather than his/her family?
one person breaks the contract and vows of marriage over and over and over????
It takes TWO to make a relationship work and when one person refuses to do their part and/or get help, it makes it impossible for the relationship to be healthy and pure hell for the rest of the family!
IMHO, I think many in our society are deeply wounded because they come from dysfunctional families who don't get help and don't make an effort to do their work.
Again, if only ONE person is making the effort to honor their vows, it's pretty much a losing battle. Children learn what they live! Hence they grow up and enter marriage having an unrealistic sense of entitlement, a need to always be in control, don't think they are accountable for their actions AND they believe it's ok to do whatever they want regardless of how it affects other people. They also expect others to be there to make them happy when happiness can only come from within. Hence addiction, cheating, abuse, etc.
I speak from decades of personal experience. I CHOSE to LEAVE & LIVE instead of stay & die. And I know there is honor in that.
It is time that people begin to see marriage for what it truly is. It is not for the weak or fickle, but those who choose honor and love above self or personal desire. Some may think that this is an extreme stance to take. But consider this... How is our current view of marriage working? It is not working very well at all! Out of a hundred married couples, how many do you think remain married to their original spouse after 30 years? In many places (here in the US) the failure rate for marriages would indicate that under 20 of those 100 couples would remain married to their spouse. Imagine if those same statistics reflected average mortality rates in the US. I imagine people would really begin to take notice!
If you are considering a divorce, please consider ANY and ALL other alternatives first. The last thing this nation needs is a 100% marriage failure rate. By my own estimation (based on current statistics) this will occur sometime within the next 35-40 years. Will people get married, knowing that they stand absolutely no chance (statistically speaking) of marital success? Will they begin to arrange terms for their marriage? For example, a man and woman agree to marry for "x" number of years under certain conditions, with certain penalties for early withdrawal, conditions of illness, financial difficulties or acts of betrayal. Why not take out all the concepts which no one wishes to comply with and make marriage simply a legal/financial agreement? This is where marriage is headed, if people do not willfully exert change into their own lives.
There are millions of victims of abuse in therapy today trying to overcome the TRAUMA that abused has cased them. They think it is their fault. They have low self-esteem. They have PTSD. They have trouble sleeping. They can't make decisions. They suffer from all kinds of physical and emotional dis-ease. Do you think staying in a marriage is worth all that????
Sad to say, therapy rarely helps an abuser. That's because most abusers don't think they are 1. abusive and 2. responsible for their actions. Therapy won't help anyone who doesn't want to be helped. Neither do anger management classes.
As you said, you are entitled to your opinion. But please do some research on the affects of abuse. Women and children and even some men are MURDERED every day by their abusive spouses because they STAYED and tried to have PATIENCE and LOVE and all they got was DEATH!
Talk the the director of your local women's shelter and ask them if they think staying in a marriage is right for women & children who were abused. Go to your library and check out books like Why Does He Do that by Bancroft Lundy and The Verbally Abusive Relationship by Patricia Evans.
Check out statistics on line. Here are a couple of links to start you off.
http://www.thehotline.org/is-this-abuse/statistics/
http://www.ncadv.org/files/DomesticViolenceFactSheet%28National%29.pdf
It sounds to me like you're saying that saving the institution of marriage is more important that every human beinge's physical & emotional safety in order to save the institution of marriage.
IMHO, that's a much scarier thought than what you are predicting about the future of marriage.
Your thoughts shared give off a strong impression that you are more concern over the institute of marriage than the person/s being abused, children abuse included. The institute of marriage is well worth any abuse someone, children included, goes through. This is what your thoughts shared seem strongly to say.
As a survivor of abuse, the person matters more than the marriage. Kids matter more than the marriage. Morality shifts from saving the marriage to saving the person and children when abuse begins. People matter more. If the marriage is abusive and not realistically going to stop, end the marriage and get out. Dont stay in it and be abuse for the sake of vows. Thats how people and kids get hurt and worst.
My opinion Im entitled to and I live by. Im happy with that.
I respect your opinion, but not all of us are divorced by OUR CHOICE.
Are you married or not?
Addictions and abuse only escalate. My alcoholic STBX was not interested in therapy or marriage counseling, because those would cut into his drinking time.
I don't think any of us here entered into marriage thinking it was temporary, or that we left without giving our spouses second, third, fourth, fifth chances and beyond. I did not sign up for, nor do I deserve a prison sentence, which is what my marriage had become. How long have you been married, phoenix?
I do hope you find acceptance and peace in your situation.
But shit happens! War happens. Poverty happens. Murder happens, rape and child abuse happen. Not "believing" in them doesn't make it not so.
Divorce SUCKS! It hurts everyone - most especially children. But what do you do if someone divorced you? You cannot NOT divorce. What do you do if you are being abused and have tried counseling? Stay and be a punching bag? Maybe get killed?
There are times when the best lesson we can teach our children is that it is better to admit a mistake than to just stay.