You cannot reasonably expect someone who was falsely convicted because of perjury by law enforcement and the intimidation of potential defense witnesses---witness tampering----to have a wholesome attitude toward the police.

Are you saying that policemen are your friends when they perjury themselves and intimidate witnesses? That is not what I call much of a friend.

Nor can you expect a family who was raided by a group of officers who shot the family dog and roughed up innocent family members to be a very nice group of people.

Are you saying that law enforcement is acting like a bunch of nice guys when they shoot the family pet or throw an incendiary flash grenade that burns an infant's chest? I call that ruthless.

Nor can you expect a policeman who takes advantage of a naive family by telling them he is there to "help them" if "they will just tell him their side of the story" and then the same officer twists and uses everything said against them.

Would you respect them and think they are fine people if they did that to you or your family?

These are examples of things that happen every day in America.

I know you are a police officer and I respect that. You probably do your job to the best of your ability and I have no doubt that you are an honest and decent person.

But you have to remember that this board is filled with people who have loved ones still in the investigative stage. At this point the police and the DA ARE their enemies. Regardless of the crime, their goal is to seek a harsh sentence.

I am the guilty party you are speaking about who made most of those statements. I admit that.

I gave the advice NOT to talk to law enforcement. Do you think defendants should talk to law enforcement when they are being investigated for a crime? I don't think it is a good idea and no defense lawyer thinks so either.

I am sorry I offended you. I truly am, and I apologize if I came across as a little strong.

But it is still not wise to speak to the police and when the police do some of the things I have witnessed and read about then no, they become criminals themselves.

Do you approve of some of the police tactics over the years? Shooting the family pet, knocking women and children around when they raid a house, and perjury?

I would welcome any discussion we can have on this because I DO support you and I want this board to be able to help you cope with this. I do not hold the fact that you work in law enforcement against you.

You are welcome here. But you cannot be too surprised that the posters here------many of whom have had terrible experiences with policemen---do not have a bad attitude toward law enforcement.

I hope to hear your reply.

rewdiazepam

I'm sorry that we may have made it seem like we're "bashing" those groups. Please remember some of us are speaking from our personal experiences.
In my town, there are good cops and some not so good cops...and some who mean well but who fon't mind twisting things to fit if they feel it's for the ultimate good.
As for the Assistant D.A. who prosecuted my husband, she was a capital"B" who was only out for herself...sorrybut it's the truth. I, myself, saw and heard things that she did and said. So, yeah, I'm a bit jaded.
On the plus side, there was a detective who made some "on the record" statements in my husband's defense.
If you haven't figured it out, my husband was falsely accused, and it went to trial. The jury was hung, and he eventually took a plea...because we'd seen the Asst. D.A. was willing to bend and twist things for a "win" andc20+ years was too much to gamble twice.

Not all LE are bad. But Rew is correct, LE is not someone we should trust during the investigation and forward, regarding these crimes. Even LE will agreed that they will lie, cheat, steal to get the info they need to get "their guy".

I know several LE officers who are nice people. But they are not our friends, any who could have/were friends distanced themselves from us, as soon as word got out about hubby's arrest.

I don't like the criminal justice system with the way they treated all of us, I advocate for Justice reform. I hope you decide not to leave, and hopefully you will see where a lot of us come from, as you see how your son is treated by the system you helped enforce and put your life on the line to keep order.

You aren't going to find people who like the police here. Here is why I don't trust the police:

1. The police can and do lie to you to get you to make incriminating statements against yourself. You have the right not to and the police do whatever they can to make you forget that. They have to read you your Miranda rights then they try and trick you into giving up those rights. They use some tactics that would make used car salesman blush. It's legal but not an honest way to go about policing a community. That's why we say don't talk to the police, they are trying to trick you into going against your best interests. It is in your best interests to always keep your mouth shut.

2. They are not nice towards registered people. I don't remember how many interactions I have had with the police to register and I can count on two fingers the number of times I have been treated professionally. They looked down on me and made snide remarks.

I am not that knowledgeable about police and law enforcement, but one of the things I have learned over the past few years of dealing with this "sex offender thing" is that I was naive about how law enforcement worked. My husband was called to the police station. He was asked about the accusations that were made against him. Being the honest person that he is, he confessed everything. He was immediately charged with numerous counts.

Being honest would seem a virtue, but in this case, it was giving away the store. I have since read articles about the techniques used by detectives to elicit confessions. Its not a pretty picture. My husband had a right to an attorney, but he was not notified. He SHOULD have said nothing without an attorney present. It was his right to have an attorney for his own protection, but basically he was manipulated by his own trust to give away his rights so the detective could get a confession.

The result was that he basically "gave away the store". By confessing right off, he gave away any potential bargaining chip he may have had. He was completely at the mercy of the DA and whatever judge just so happened to pick up his case.

Whatever happened to reading a person their rights? He didn't get that. He was never read his Miranda rights.

To me, this is a good example of...not necessarily a need to not trust, but a need to be aware and cautious. We all have to know our rights and exercise them. We cannot naively trust that a detective, who wants a confession or an assistant DA, who wants a conviction, or a probation officer, who wants to violate you, will have your best interests at heart. Because they don't. They are thinking about their own issues and the politics of their line of work and what their beliefs are about protecting the public.

I agree that some of the things said about police on this site seem harsh, but you have to remember that those of us caught up in sex offenses are generally not intentional criminals. For the most part, we are people who were swept away in some kind of passion or desire that led to behaviors that are beyond the limitations of social acceptability, i.e. illegal, and end up entangled in a system that we never dreamed we'd be involved with.

So, while Rew's words sound harsh, they are necessary to wake some of us up to the fact that we cannot trust the legal system to see things our way. Many of us still believe in the kindly officer smiling while walking his beat. That is not real, and it is not the way the system is set up. We have to be aware of that and take responsibility for ourselves.

Would you prefer we bow down and lick the boots of those that enforce these clearly draconian laws? Quite frankly I am offended by your suggestion. Did the Jews give the nazi's who forced them to their death and quick BJ before doing so? If someone murdered your family member would you want everyone to send the murderer a thank you card? Are you high? If so.. That must be some good shit. It is not human nature to want to love and trust those who cause us to suffer. Who are you and what is your agenda? Even Coastie would disagree with what you are implying we need to do. Good luck finding a support group for people who liked being raped by the law and suffer from Stockholm syndrome and are in love with those who set out to destroy them. Your strangeness is very offensive. There are people in this group who have lost everything they have known as their life , many of them are innocent. I would rather slit my wrists THE RIGHT WAY then ever stand by or support the scam that is the criminal justice system. Ugh are you "she who can not be named" posting under cover? I wish I knew you personally, you sound like you could use a little more law enforcement / CPS in your life. I'm disappointed in desire to be a victim. Gross

Too bad oneofthem no longer posts. He would have called you out on who you obviously really are. I saw a cop die in a car accident the other day, literally his soul slipped out of his body and went straight to the pits of HELL in front of me at an intersection. I immediately thought of the old Ice Cube song.. Called I GOT TO SAY.. TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY. Go kick rocks. Wisconsin please do not defend this person and take into consideration the implications of what they are saying

Let's keep this civil people. Attacking Westdenali won't solve anything, but piss him off and think we all are a$$holes. Respectfully give your reasons why you don't trust LE, without attacking him.

Is there other ways people can deal with the system? Just thought I would ask sorry if it upsets you me asking that.

I am with rewdiazepam on this one .... Police are not your friend..... There is a big difference between "serve and protect" and " controlling the population". I personally believe the job of the Police is to "serve and Protect" but to often they use their power to intimidate non mainstream groups into compliance.

I am with rewdiazepam on this one .... Police are not your friend..... There is a big difference between "serve and protect" and " controlling the population". I personally believe the job of the Police is to "serve and Protect" but to often they use their power to intimidate non mainstream groups into compliance. Examples of this are suppression of the civil rights movement, and suppression of the antiwar protest back in the 70's . One popular belief is that the Police are there to "' serve and protect "the state not you

I am with rewdiazepam on this one .... Police are not your friend..... There is a big difference between "serve and protect" and " controlling the population". I personally believe the job of the Police is to "serve and Protect" but to often they use their power to intimidate non mainstream groups into compliance. Examples of this are suppression of the civil rights movement, and suppression of the antiwar protest back in the 70's . One popular belief is that the Police are there to "' serve and protect "the state not you. How many people do you know that feel "served and Protected " by the Police !!!!!! ain't many.... LOL

It is a constitutional right NOT to incriminate yourself in an investigation - there is a reason for that - it is becasue anything you say can and will be used against you. Giving the advice to not talk to anyone without a lawyer present is not only good advice it is part of the justice system meant to protect the rights of the people - saying that we do not trust law enforcement is not bashing you it is just smart. What do you think of a suspect who lies? Sneaky, underhanded, dirt bag? However, many judges and others have said that it is perfectly acceptable for an investigative officer to lie to complete an investigation. But you see that lying as acceptable to complete an investigation - many people would actually say that LE cannot lie but we know that is not true. - so education is the key. I only hope as an officer you have learned by being caught up in this mess that the things you have always thought about sex offenses and the system surrounding them are far from the reality.

When the investigating detective makes up stories about a case and spreads said stories to former friends so they can take to social media to spread the lies then no I don't view them as friends, sorry. On the other hand his lying big mouth just might get my case dropped so there's that.

Going to what Red and others have said - here is an examp0le of the way LE has changed in the last few decades in the USA. This example has absolutely nothing to do with sex offenses at all. When my daughter was 21 (10 yrs ago) she went out to a club after work to meet a new boyfriend there (now her husband) - She was only there about 1 hour and began to feel very "drunk" - she had given her keys to someone when she got the that night and the "friend" gave them back to her when she asked because the frind knew she had only been there a very short time. I am convinced that someone actually dropped or put something in her drink but we will never know now. She decided to come home and got into her car - about half way home she became violently ill and disoriented - she realized she should not be driving and pulled over into a parking lot of a grocery store about a mile from home. She opened the door and got sick outside the door she also lost control of her bladder (this is why I think she was drugged that night - she also said some guy in t he club was going around and putting some kind of liquid in peoples drinks) - after getting sick outside the car she used her cell phone to try to call me. My daughter was doing everything I had taught her to do - if she could not drive get off the road and park somewhere lighted and safe and call me to come and get her. My phone rand once and then I could not reach her after and became absolutely terrified that she was hurt somewhere. Around 2 AM I got a phone call - a officer had walked up to the car - forced her out and made her give her the cell phone and would not let her answer my calls - she begged him to let her call me and come to get her and he refused. He arrested her for DUI. She was devastated and among other things lost a very good job because of it. She has never been able to find a decent job since because of the record even though she has a college degree and has never been in any other trouble. The point is that back in the day that officer would have let her call someone to come and get her - he would have checked her background and seen that she did not have any priors and truly helped someone instead of hurting them. He could have easily done that especially since she was pulled over and parked.

More and more people are being incarcerated in the USA and it is not because we have all become criminals - it is because of the over criminalization of our country - it is also because of the patriot act in large part as well. I am sorry if this offends you but as a LE officer you are an arm of all of that. LE enforcement have been trained and taught in the last few years that the public is the enemy and that is part of the problem.