Chronic Pain Support Group
Physicians and professionalsdefine pain as chronic if it lasts longer than three to six months and is persistent. It's distinct from acute pain that is a direct result of injury or trauma. This support group is dedicated to those suffering from chronic pain. Discuss treatments that have worked for you, find advice for your specific experience, and find support. You're not...
thaliajen
I was reading a post here and was a bit taken aback by something I read. While I don't believe the author of the post meant to attack or hurt anyone, I do wish to tackle what he said in a friendly way. You see, I want to talk about how many kinds of CP there are, and how DIFFERENT we all are! And while we ARE different and DO different things, we're STILL all a member of that CP Tribe. We still all have pain. We may treat it differently, but we still have horrific, mind-blowing pain that must be treated properly. With that comes different abilities. And those abilities are what make us unique.
In a post about a pain-related article, someone wrote, "Those of us in CP are not well-served by those who SAY they are in Chronic Pain, then go zip lining in Belize." Now, as an RSD sufferer for 17 years, I KNOW that it is possible to have severe CP AND go zip lining, though in my case, not in Belize.
So while I have agreed with his post up until now, I realize that this person just doesn't understand that there are MANY types of Chronic Pain, and that he's relaying HIS experience. He doesn't know mine. And that hurt my feelings a bit. After I grew up, I realized that his ideas might be shared by others here. And that is when I decided that my story might change a few minds on the subject.
I was diagnosed with RSD back in 1997. It took several months to titrate me to a medication for the pain, several months of PT and more doctors than I can recall. Tests- I've had a few. Hell, I've had more than a few. I was young, happy, and then this roadblock called RSD. It took over my life.
What the RSD didn't know is that I'm stubborn! Tell me I can't do it and I will go out of my way to show you I can. My Physical Therapists learned this early. My doctors laugh with me and look at photos of my latest adventures. For years I was RSD Girl- the one determined NOT to let it get me down.
I met my future hubby in 1998 and married in 2000. In 2003, I lost my baby at birth. A few months later, flying back from my mother's funeral and after months and months of taking the same flight, same airline, I ran into someone I'd spoken to before. She and her family owned a travel agency and needed someone to help with reviews, with travel recommendations, and all-around travel and technical writing. She remembered that I'd been a journalist and we exchanged information.
Since then, I've been traveling the world. I'd always been a big traveler but when the RSD hit, I wasn't sure. But as my doctors had me titrated and I was seen every month, I decided to do it. My doctor was my biggest cheerleader! I started out slow, staying close to my then-Texas home by visiting New Orleans, Las Vegas, and Florida. After a trip with a friend to NYC, I started to loosen up.
I've been on morphine for 17 years. Some days I am at a pain level of 8, some days I'm at a 2. In the summer or in warm weather I usually do better. A few years ago I zip lined down Freemont street in Las Vegas. Was I in pain. Yes. Was it a 10 that day? Hell no! But please don't compare pain. If not for the traveling I've been able to do these past 11 years, I don't think I'd have survived.
Some of us have CP well-controlled by meds. In the past few years I've been lucky enough to visit Great Britain, Scotland, Ireland, Germany, Belgium, France, Amsterdam and many other counties. I've been to Aruba, Hawaii and the Bahamas, not to mention bi-annual trips to Cancun. I always schedule my work around my arrival date so I know I'll be okay.
When I was diagnosed with RSD, there was a doctor who said I'd be in a wheelchair by the time I was 40. He was just a resident but he had a family member with RSD in her foot, like mine. THAT day I decided to get my bucket list DONE. That decision turned into a job!
Now, I am 46 and still not in a wheelchair. This summer I went swimming with dolphins in Xel-Ha. in 2000 I climbed a Mayan Temple which is no longer available to the public. I swan among the ruins of Tulum, in the silkiest Caribbean blue water I've ever seen or felt. I got to touch Stonehenge before they closed that off. We took my son to Sea World and rode dollar coasters. Last November I WALKED Universal Studio's Harry Potter Worlds (connected by train) and YES I hurt like hell after. But I won't let my CP define me. I did end up in bed after that one, but it was worth it!
I had several days last winter where I couldn't get out of bed except to use the bathroom and bathe. I've had weeks of that since my stone got stuck and the cold is killing my RSD. I do use a cane a lot now, which I hate, but I accept. In fact, I've left more canes in overhead compartments on airplanes than probably anyone. It's something that happens when you have a tight connection & it's too much work to go back. I'm happy to say it's been about 2 years since I last did that, and canes are easily replaced.
Some people DO have CP and ARE treated correctly. When that happens and when you have the kind of CP that allows you to move around, why not? Is my pain any less b/c I choose to try new things? I fully admit that I have horrific days where I can barely move to kiss my son, which is my nightmare. He's only 5! But I will NOT put myself to bed permanently b/c I have RSD.
I try to live my life and set a good example. If I let the pain win, I wouldn't be doing that. I recognize that I have been extremely lucky in that I have good insurance and a series of great docs along the way. I know that not every CP patient can do what I have done. I know b/c I've never walked in their shoes. I don't even know how much longer I have when it comes to travel. But until I absolutely cannot do it, I'll at least try!
I've had a great life. I've parasailed in the Caribbean and white water rafted in Denali, Alaska. If my foot isn't involved, I go for it. Most trips are easy, and I end up spending my free time by the pool. But if there's a challenge I can physically handle, I'm going to go for it. Does it make me less of a CP patient? No. It might make me feel stupid a few hours later, but that is MY choice.
Now, this past year I've slowed down. The kidney problem and multiple stones are affecting me much worse than my RSD. But then again, the RSD is at ITS worst this time of year. I'm SO glad I did all of those things, as it looks like my ability to do them is sadly, ending. And I know, 100% that IF I hadn't been treated properly, I would've gone no where, done nothing.
We are ALL CP survivors. We shouldn't be fighting amongst ourselves. If anything, we should be supporting each other. If someone had told me at my diagnosis that one day I would walk/climb my way to Edinburgh Castle, I would've laughed. Yet I did it, twice. I went golfing in Dublin (don't golf there- the sea always wins!) and I walked all over Bath, England on slippery wet steps.
The greatest accomplishment of my RSD years was not the Mayan Pyramid or the Palace of Versailles. It was climbing the endless steps to the Anne Frank House and Museum in Amsterdam. The 1st time, I was scared but sure, and I did it! The RSD didn't win. I got to see where one of my heroines lived and wrote. It was awesome! The 2nd time was a bit harder but people were kind enough to let me stop and take a breath when needed.
After each of these adventures, I went back to my hotel room with an angry foot and cried. I cried from pain but mostly, I cried b/c I'd done it! I'm not suggesting anyone try these things; it was a miracle I managed. I'm saying that I did these things before the severe RSD pain took over. Most of my big trips are scheduled in warm weather, and I've had to buy trip insurance because I can have a flare at any time. I've had to reschedule several trips, but I STILL always did what I meant to do, just a little bit later.
Now that I'm diagnosed with a new kidney condition and facing umpteen stones, I don't know how much traveling I'll get to do. I may have to say no to some great opportunities. And as I age, the RSD gets worse. I didn't want to admit that, but last year was proof. Still, I managed to get to Hawaii, UK and Cancun before the pain got worse.
What I am saying is this: if you are able to do something physically, then don't let your CP get in the way. Talk to your doctor. It might be possible. And if you are able to zipline in Belize, more power to you!
Be careful and have someone photograph you. It's YOUR choice. No one can tell you you don't have CP b/c you did these things. YOU know your limits. Your docs know what is safe.
Traveling with CP isn't a picnic. You must have a safe in your room; you can't trust your meds to anyone. You must choose a hotel where you know you'll be comfortable. Always know where the nearest hospital is, and if you're going to do a lot of walking or aggravating your injury, know that you have a nice place to chill out.
While I mostly traveled alone, I made sure that any friend or husband, etc., knew that I'd be spending some of my days in bed, resting. I always plan a day after the flight for ME and the day before the flight home. If there's a spa, I get a massage. But day 1 of any travel is usually me catching up on sleep with my foot on a pillow. The days after overdoing it were also spent in bed. But I would only overdo it IF it was worth it. Again, I was lucky.
I had 17 years to get my pain in hand and decide what I could or couldn't do. I knew when to cancel and when to go forward. I lived an amazing life WITH Chronic Pain. I thank my doctors for that. I thank kind hotel managers who made sure I had extra room to move around and do my stretches, and most important, made sure I had a TUB in my room, not just a shower. (That's a BIG deal in Europe!)
In a few months I will have made LIFETIME PLATINUM status with Starwood Hotels- they own Sheraton, Westin, W, St. Regis, etc. That means that even if I chose another hotel brand for the next 10 years, I still will retain my free upgrades, late checkouts and free internet. I hope that I get to USE that. I hope I'm NOT in a wheelchair and that my hubby & son & I can enjoy traveling. The day I get that card is the day I'll know I won. Not RSD, but me.
I CAN NOT let the pain win. If I'd missed out on all of those trips, I'd be one sad sack. The fact I was offered them is a miracle. To have said, "No," would've really made me wonder "What if?"
I was lucky- I was given great opportunities. I had great docs who support me to this very day. I was at an age where I could take advantage, and most of my adventures happened before my son was born. Now, with kidney stones and this new disease, my International Travel is probably going to shrink away. I am scared of getting a stone stuck when in another country or on a plane. But I can promise you that I'll STILL be traveling, even if it's not as often.
I made it up the stairs to the Temple of the Warriors, and to Anne Frank's House. Those are huge accomplishments when one of your feet has its own thermostat and can click over to "fire" at any moment. But for me, just getting the chance to see the things I've seen was, and is, a miracle. RSD COULD have ruined my life. CP could have seen me take to my bed. But my desire to see new things beat my fear of pain.
Not everyone has the use of their body- I get that. Not everyone has good doctors or the right meds. Again, I get that. But there are ALL different kids of CP. I certainly have a different sort than the man who wrote the post inspiring this one. And I'd venture a bet that some of us WOULD be able to go zip lining in Belize.
Just remember- never judge. If someone with RSD in one limb CAN do these things, remember that she will pay for it later. But don't say she doesn't have CP, or even infer it. We all have different types of CP. We all have good and bad days. There's not one thing on my list that I could do TODAY.
Just like I tell my son that there are lots of people in this world, all races and religions, brown eyes, blue eyes, hazel eyes...there ARE all types of CP patients. And some of us even zip line, even if it is only in Las Vegas! ;)
In a post about a pain-related article, someone wrote, "Those of us in CP are not well-served by those who SAY they are in Chronic Pain, then go zip lining in Belize." Now, as an RSD sufferer for 17 years, I KNOW that it is possible to have severe CP AND go zip lining, though in my case, not in Belize.
So while I have agreed with his post up until now, I realize that this person just doesn't understand that there are MANY types of Chronic Pain, and that he's relaying HIS experience. He doesn't know mine. And that hurt my feelings a bit. After I grew up, I realized that his ideas might be shared by others here. And that is when I decided that my story might change a few minds on the subject.
I was diagnosed with RSD back in 1997. It took several months to titrate me to a medication for the pain, several months of PT and more doctors than I can recall. Tests- I've had a few. Hell, I've had more than a few. I was young, happy, and then this roadblock called RSD. It took over my life.
What the RSD didn't know is that I'm stubborn! Tell me I can't do it and I will go out of my way to show you I can. My Physical Therapists learned this early. My doctors laugh with me and look at photos of my latest adventures. For years I was RSD Girl- the one determined NOT to let it get me down.
I met my future hubby in 1998 and married in 2000. In 2003, I lost my baby at birth. A few months later, flying back from my mother's funeral and after months and months of taking the same flight, same airline, I ran into someone I'd spoken to before. She and her family owned a travel agency and needed someone to help with reviews, with travel recommendations, and all-around travel and technical writing. She remembered that I'd been a journalist and we exchanged information.
Since then, I've been traveling the world. I'd always been a big traveler but when the RSD hit, I wasn't sure. But as my doctors had me titrated and I was seen every month, I decided to do it. My doctor was my biggest cheerleader! I started out slow, staying close to my then-Texas home by visiting New Orleans, Las Vegas, and Florida. After a trip with a friend to NYC, I started to loosen up.
I've been on morphine for 17 years. Some days I am at a pain level of 8, some days I'm at a 2. In the summer or in warm weather I usually do better. A few years ago I zip lined down Freemont street in Las Vegas. Was I in pain. Yes. Was it a 10 that day? Hell no! But please don't compare pain. If not for the traveling I've been able to do these past 11 years, I don't think I'd have survived.
Some of us have CP well-controlled by meds. In the past few years I've been lucky enough to visit Great Britain, Scotland, Ireland, Germany, Belgium, France, Amsterdam and many other counties. I've been to Aruba, Hawaii and the Bahamas, not to mention bi-annual trips to Cancun. I always schedule my work around my arrival date so I know I'll be okay.
When I was diagnosed with RSD, there was a doctor who said I'd be in a wheelchair by the time I was 40. He was just a resident but he had a family member with RSD in her foot, like mine. THAT day I decided to get my bucket list DONE. That decision turned into a job!
Now, I am 46 and still not in a wheelchair. This summer I went swimming with dolphins in Xel-Ha. in 2000 I climbed a Mayan Temple which is no longer available to the public. I swan among the ruins of Tulum, in the silkiest Caribbean blue water I've ever seen or felt. I got to touch Stonehenge before they closed that off. We took my son to Sea World and rode dollar coasters. Last November I WALKED Universal Studio's Harry Potter Worlds (connected by train) and YES I hurt like hell after. But I won't let my CP define me. I did end up in bed after that one, but it was worth it!
I had several days last winter where I couldn't get out of bed except to use the bathroom and bathe. I've had weeks of that since my stone got stuck and the cold is killing my RSD. I do use a cane a lot now, which I hate, but I accept. In fact, I've left more canes in overhead compartments on airplanes than probably anyone. It's something that happens when you have a tight connection & it's too much work to go back. I'm happy to say it's been about 2 years since I last did that, and canes are easily replaced.
Some people DO have CP and ARE treated correctly. When that happens and when you have the kind of CP that allows you to move around, why not? Is my pain any less b/c I choose to try new things? I fully admit that I have horrific days where I can barely move to kiss my son, which is my nightmare. He's only 5! But I will NOT put myself to bed permanently b/c I have RSD.
I try to live my life and set a good example. If I let the pain win, I wouldn't be doing that. I recognize that I have been extremely lucky in that I have good insurance and a series of great docs along the way. I know that not every CP patient can do what I have done. I know b/c I've never walked in their shoes. I don't even know how much longer I have when it comes to travel. But until I absolutely cannot do it, I'll at least try!
I've had a great life. I've parasailed in the Caribbean and white water rafted in Denali, Alaska. If my foot isn't involved, I go for it. Most trips are easy, and I end up spending my free time by the pool. But if there's a challenge I can physically handle, I'm going to go for it. Does it make me less of a CP patient? No. It might make me feel stupid a few hours later, but that is MY choice.
Now, this past year I've slowed down. The kidney problem and multiple stones are affecting me much worse than my RSD. But then again, the RSD is at ITS worst this time of year. I'm SO glad I did all of those things, as it looks like my ability to do them is sadly, ending. And I know, 100% that IF I hadn't been treated properly, I would've gone no where, done nothing.
We are ALL CP survivors. We shouldn't be fighting amongst ourselves. If anything, we should be supporting each other. If someone had told me at my diagnosis that one day I would walk/climb my way to Edinburgh Castle, I would've laughed. Yet I did it, twice. I went golfing in Dublin (don't golf there- the sea always wins!) and I walked all over Bath, England on slippery wet steps.
The greatest accomplishment of my RSD years was not the Mayan Pyramid or the Palace of Versailles. It was climbing the endless steps to the Anne Frank House and Museum in Amsterdam. The 1st time, I was scared but sure, and I did it! The RSD didn't win. I got to see where one of my heroines lived and wrote. It was awesome! The 2nd time was a bit harder but people were kind enough to let me stop and take a breath when needed.
After each of these adventures, I went back to my hotel room with an angry foot and cried. I cried from pain but mostly, I cried b/c I'd done it! I'm not suggesting anyone try these things; it was a miracle I managed. I'm saying that I did these things before the severe RSD pain took over. Most of my big trips are scheduled in warm weather, and I've had to buy trip insurance because I can have a flare at any time. I've had to reschedule several trips, but I STILL always did what I meant to do, just a little bit later.
Now that I'm diagnosed with a new kidney condition and facing umpteen stones, I don't know how much traveling I'll get to do. I may have to say no to some great opportunities. And as I age, the RSD gets worse. I didn't want to admit that, but last year was proof. Still, I managed to get to Hawaii, UK and Cancun before the pain got worse.
What I am saying is this: if you are able to do something physically, then don't let your CP get in the way. Talk to your doctor. It might be possible. And if you are able to zipline in Belize, more power to you!
Be careful and have someone photograph you. It's YOUR choice. No one can tell you you don't have CP b/c you did these things. YOU know your limits. Your docs know what is safe.
Traveling with CP isn't a picnic. You must have a safe in your room; you can't trust your meds to anyone. You must choose a hotel where you know you'll be comfortable. Always know where the nearest hospital is, and if you're going to do a lot of walking or aggravating your injury, know that you have a nice place to chill out.
While I mostly traveled alone, I made sure that any friend or husband, etc., knew that I'd be spending some of my days in bed, resting. I always plan a day after the flight for ME and the day before the flight home. If there's a spa, I get a massage. But day 1 of any travel is usually me catching up on sleep with my foot on a pillow. The days after overdoing it were also spent in bed. But I would only overdo it IF it was worth it. Again, I was lucky.
I had 17 years to get my pain in hand and decide what I could or couldn't do. I knew when to cancel and when to go forward. I lived an amazing life WITH Chronic Pain. I thank my doctors for that. I thank kind hotel managers who made sure I had extra room to move around and do my stretches, and most important, made sure I had a TUB in my room, not just a shower. (That's a BIG deal in Europe!)
In a few months I will have made LIFETIME PLATINUM status with Starwood Hotels- they own Sheraton, Westin, W, St. Regis, etc. That means that even if I chose another hotel brand for the next 10 years, I still will retain my free upgrades, late checkouts and free internet. I hope that I get to USE that. I hope I'm NOT in a wheelchair and that my hubby & son & I can enjoy traveling. The day I get that card is the day I'll know I won. Not RSD, but me.
I CAN NOT let the pain win. If I'd missed out on all of those trips, I'd be one sad sack. The fact I was offered them is a miracle. To have said, "No," would've really made me wonder "What if?"
I was lucky- I was given great opportunities. I had great docs who support me to this very day. I was at an age where I could take advantage, and most of my adventures happened before my son was born. Now, with kidney stones and this new disease, my International Travel is probably going to shrink away. I am scared of getting a stone stuck when in another country or on a plane. But I can promise you that I'll STILL be traveling, even if it's not as often.
I made it up the stairs to the Temple of the Warriors, and to Anne Frank's House. Those are huge accomplishments when one of your feet has its own thermostat and can click over to "fire" at any moment. But for me, just getting the chance to see the things I've seen was, and is, a miracle. RSD COULD have ruined my life. CP could have seen me take to my bed. But my desire to see new things beat my fear of pain.
Not everyone has the use of their body- I get that. Not everyone has good doctors or the right meds. Again, I get that. But there are ALL different kids of CP. I certainly have a different sort than the man who wrote the post inspiring this one. And I'd venture a bet that some of us WOULD be able to go zip lining in Belize.
Just remember- never judge. If someone with RSD in one limb CAN do these things, remember that she will pay for it later. But don't say she doesn't have CP, or even infer it. We all have different types of CP. We all have good and bad days. There's not one thing on my list that I could do TODAY.
Just like I tell my son that there are lots of people in this world, all races and religions, brown eyes, blue eyes, hazel eyes...there ARE all types of CP patients. And some of us even zip line, even if it is only in Las Vegas! ;)
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We always get a suite with a small kitchen. I purchase ice packs and heating pads the first day. And we always can get back to the "hotel" in 30 minutes or less when the pain gets bad enough to need alternating ice and heat to get it under control.
Some people around me think I can only have chronic pain if all I do is sit around and complain or something.
Thanks for posting this
Too many people think CP means we're doped to the gills, sitting in a chair staring at a wall. My CP doc even says that a trip, if not too strenuous, is sometimes the best medicine!
I admit that when I fly from the snowy, cold Midwest to warm, sunny Cancun, I smile. And I think my foot smiles too! :)
I have not been on this site very much lately, so I don't know what has been posted. I am very glad for your post.
To me having the right doctors is key. I have had CP since I was 19. But so many accidents have happened and different illness have hit that it has become hard to function. Having a doctor to help adjust your medications depending on what you need to do is also very important. So much pain is invisible and many people treat CPers like they are not really in pain. This can be very hurtful.
Everyone feels pain differently. I had minor surgery on my legs in December and the nurses were commenting on the fact that I have a high pain tolerance. As much pain as I deal with on a 24/7 basis made me feel like I was a weakling with a low tolerance for pain. It was good to know that I still have a high tolerance for pain, I just have a lot of daily pain.
I never criticize someone in pain, because I have not walked a mile in their shoes. We are all different, with different coping skills, and different pain tolerances. I have good days and bad days. But I find it a very lonely journey, because most people, including family do not want to accept that a person can be in continual pain.
Wishing all as low pain day as possible.
More and more drs have become relucent to continue to increase meds while the Chronic pain patient does little or nothing to try and help themselves. By that I mean lifestyle changes. For those who have drs who have no problems with the increase in meds, that's great. But, the time is coming when they won't or can't continue to increase the meds so the patient can continue with their current lifestyle. That is one of the reasons it is so hard to get adequte pain meds now, people think they should be able to keep on doing the things they want to do and that their dr should accommodate them. .
But knowing I changed how I got around the house, how I showered, how I cooked, etc. I did enjoy those short few months by spending time with my family doing things. Modified from what I'd have done 10 years ago, but I still did them. And that's how I feel it should be.
For every fun day I had or every great adventure I've had, there were days spent in the hospital or weeks spent in bed. In 17 years (almost 18) I've been able to do about one adventure a year. Having CP doesn't mean your life has to be over. I'm sad to know that anyone would think so.
Redhead- so good to see you again! I was off the board for awhile dealing with kidney issues, as you know. I'm currently in bed following Wednesday's surgery but I do follow your posts and those of the people I've known well over the years.
It's so good to see the majority of people here understand trying to live life to its fullest, and not judging others. My point was that we are one big group and need to stick together. And I know for a fact that traveling got me through the worst RSD years (planning a trip while in bed flaring is a good way to say a few 4 letter words to CP!
Furthermore, if ANYONE ever wants advice about traveling with CP, I could've written a book on it by now. Please always feel free to PM me and ask questions. There are so many ways to get around the hard stuff, and I've learned a LOT about scheduling so my CP doesn't overwhelm. If your doctor says it's okay, I'm always happy to help. :)
In fact, as I lay here, recuperating from Wednesday's surgery and diagnosis and an unexpected RSD flare, I'm planning a trip to Vegas for another CP patient. I'm SO glad my doctor encourages me to do as much as I can; one day I WILL be in that wheelchair and I will have lots of memories and photos to remind me of my trips.
Hopefully, last year won't be my final travel year. I've STILL got a bucket list and hope my body can handle it! :)
Like you I have days and multiple days that lay me flat out, but I'm going to pick myself back up. It is a choice.
I've always said "I will not let the pain win" and I mean it, maybe when I'm in my 70's-80's I'll give up LOL. Naw I'll be meaner than sh-- by then!
I prefer to see the glass half full instead of half empty and along with you am stubborn as hell ;)
Thanks for a great post Thaliajen!
We all need to band together and fight the administrations and doctors and ignorant people of the world who think CP patients don't need medication. Many of us go from zero hope to parasailing because of those meds.
It's good to know there are CP patients out there who are too strong and too stubborn to let the pain win! :)
My psych doctor has gone through great pains to drill into my head that I CAN'T give up living for pain. Even my idiot of a PM drills into my head that I have to have goals and dreams of getting out an doing things.
There are times I want to just curl up and die, today is a good example. But luckily those are fewer than the days that I want to LIVE. Tomorrow, come Hell or high water or debilitating pain, I am going to go ride my horse. The emotional high I will get from it will dull the pain I am in, at least for a day or so. It will also cause me pain, but it makes life worthwhile.
I used to think the same way. Before I got any pain management It was hard for me to believe that people with chronic pain could do all this stuff!
I think it was because at the time I could not move any part of my body without setting in intense pain that would not go away!
I guess we tend to see things through the lens of our own situation and in this case my pain wouldn't allow me to see the other side.
I thank God every day that I am now getting management and can see light.
Thanks for this point of view. It's good to see you Jen!
God Bless the doctors who treat CP properly and who say, "Why not?" :)