OMG.. it is SO GOOD TO SEE YOU!!!!!!..... I thought you left for good!!!.. I have a huge problem with a very low self esteem..self loathing a lot of the time..Im working on it now and being referred for trauma therapy.. I do love others as much as I know how when it cant begin with me.. I dont feel Im bent on self destruction I simply dont know how to love myself.. it's as though I have a mental block that I havent been able to penetrate.. I suppose it has been there pretty much since to beginning of my time here so it's going to take difficult work ..xx

I vote for "...we all deserve to be here, no matter who we are."

We're all capable of making judgments and apply them to our own lives regularly but it's a mistake to think that we know the how and why of somebody else's life and what we should do about them. We don't have the right. We don't have the facts. We're probably wrong.

Nice topic Lee but you failed to say how you feel about the subject. I just want to see what side of the fence the topic lies before I respond.

Well Simon, in some ways I'm torn due to how I am......however, I do also tend to lean towards us all deserving to be here.

Maybe it's better to explore why we can believe that for everyone else but not ourselves.

Everyone deserves to be here, no matter what they choose to do with their time. No one needs to justify their own existence. If lack of love was a qualifier, the population would be considerably lower.

I hate to be arbiter of people's existence...I don't think you can say someone doesn't deserve to be here if they have low self esteem. I just don't think you can quantify human life like that. I'm uncomfortable with this question, as you can see....

You never know when someone who doesn't seem to care starts caring...:).

Kenji

tommymott-totally agree with what you posted.

I am not going to cast judgement on anyone as most of us would not be here if that was the case. I am not god nor will I play god.......

Some people who are highly wounded have to be self centered. My thoughts are as follows:

--One should be polite.
--One should have the basic tenents of "Please" and "Thank you" and opening doors for old people
--One should make clear of one's boundaries and privacy

Other than that, if one lives in a solitary way and is self centered for reasons of severe PTSD or for ones own psychic and physical survival, then the world must understand that person's way and respect it.
--One should do no harm

I am sorry but as I sit and think about this post the more and more it bothers me. This is a bipolar board where I would say all of us have had a despressive episode as it is required for a diagnosis so you are asking if we deserve to be here. Most of us have expereience or tried to commit suicide I think this is a very judgement post and an inapproptate one at that.

Fair point dorkieyorkie. I have no issue with this thread being removed.

It is however the general discussion area, and this is one of the ways I am trying to help support myself right now. I'm considered bi-polar so I wonder to think what others with the condition also think about these things. It's merely a way to explore darker thoughts in a respectable way, in a place that wouldn't condemn one for it.

I am not quite willing to say everyone deserves to be here... how about ALMOST everyone deserves to be here..... pedophiles, murderers, those that destroy the lives of others I do not feel deserve to be here.... self destruction is an individual choice and does not deserve my judgement but the destruction of others is another matter.

Welcome back.... it's been awhile.

I think that we all deserve to be here, no matter who we are.

Thanks DivineSilence.

As terrible as it is to justify those horrible acts, you can't deny the possibility that people may be born into the world to either experience the carrying out of said acts or experience being on the receiving end of those acts.

Think of the remarkable and extraordinary people that have suffered terribly from atrocious acts, yet gone on to give something much more valuable back to the world at large. It's thinking past the smaller picture, which I am getting at.