Alcoholism Support Group
Alcoholism is the continued consumption of alcoholic beverages, even when it is negatively affecting your health, work, relationships and life. If you think alcohol is causing you to lose control, it's time to seek help. Our group is a safe place to vent, check in, get back up if you fall, and reach sobriety.
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When I decided to go for treatment for my alcohol abuse I wanted to find the best method possible; especially if I was going to pay money for it. I researched programs online and noticed statistics seemed largely inflated for some centers. We all know statistics can easily be manipulated based on the criteria used to calculate them, and most centers or programs set up these statistical parameters on their own. (very misleading and unethical).
How could anyone study and give statistics for the success rate of any recovery method? I dont think It could accurately be done and here is why.
What would be the measure of success? Would it be a certain amount of years of sobriety without a relapse? What would be a fair measure of time, from the time you enter till you die seems the only absolute measure of time. Decreased or removed cravings for alcohol?
What would be the measure of failure of a program? Relapse? Continued cravings?
Who would be the neutral party to determine these measures of success? It could obviously not be advocates of a particular treatment method. (Would you trust statistics from a drug manufacturer).
I notice these unfair parameters quoted by some people over and over again and their arguments hold as much water as a sieve.
If we looked at it this way no one can give fair argument as to their preferred method of staying sober as the most effective method.
While this does not matter for those who are currently sober and successful at it (who cares what works for someone else, what Im doing works for me). Who it does matter to is the person still unsure about finding a solution and looking for advice.
To these people; dont be fooled by something that seems too good to be true, because it usually is. Do your research and follow your gut. There are not tried and true methods that work any better than the next. The true measure is the willingness to quit for good.
How could anyone study and give statistics for the success rate of any recovery method? I dont think It could accurately be done and here is why.
What would be the measure of success? Would it be a certain amount of years of sobriety without a relapse? What would be a fair measure of time, from the time you enter till you die seems the only absolute measure of time. Decreased or removed cravings for alcohol?
What would be the measure of failure of a program? Relapse? Continued cravings?
Who would be the neutral party to determine these measures of success? It could obviously not be advocates of a particular treatment method. (Would you trust statistics from a drug manufacturer).
I notice these unfair parameters quoted by some people over and over again and their arguments hold as much water as a sieve.
If we looked at it this way no one can give fair argument as to their preferred method of staying sober as the most effective method.
While this does not matter for those who are currently sober and successful at it (who cares what works for someone else, what Im doing works for me). Who it does matter to is the person still unsure about finding a solution and looking for advice.
To these people; dont be fooled by something that seems too good to be true, because it usually is. Do your research and follow your gut. There are not tried and true methods that work any better than the next. The true measure is the willingness to quit for good.
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"How could anyone study and give statistics for the success rate of any recovery method? I dont think It could accurately be done".
I have heard Chris R. give many open talks. He works for La Hacienda Treatment Center, one of the most prestigious rehab facilities in the world (Dr. Phil even recommends them).
Since he is a professional in the rehab field and since he gives open-talks at major AA conventions all over the world (in front of thousands of people). I trust he gets his facts from the best possible sources. He says AA has a success rate of between 3 and 8 percent.
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YOU ARE AS STUPID AS I THOUGHT YOU WERE, AND ONE ARROGANT COCKSUCKER TOO! CALL YOUR FUCKING SPONSOR ASSWIPE!
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