Alcoholism Support Group
Alcoholism is the continued consumption of alcoholic beverages, even when it is negatively affecting your health, work, relationships and life. If you think alcohol is causing you to lose control, it's time to seek help. Our group is a safe place to vent, check in, get back up if you fall, and reach sobriety.
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We cannot begin to make progress in learning to Love ourselves until we start being kind to ourselves in healthy ways. A very important part of being kind to ourselves is learning how to say no, and how to set, and be able to defend, boundaries.
Unconditional Love does not mean being a doormat for other people - unconditional Love begins with Loving ourselves enough to protect ourselves from the people we Love if that is necessary."
"We live in a society where the emotional experience of "love" is conditional on behavior. Where fear, guilt, and shame are used to try to control children's behavior because parents believe that their children's behavior reflects their self-worth.
In other words, if little Johnny is a well-behaved, "good boy," then his parents are good people. If Johnny acts out, and misbehaves, then there is something wrong with his parents. ("He doesn't come from a good family.")
What the family dynamics research shows is that it is actually the good child - the family hero role -who is the most emotionally dishonest and out of touch with him/herself, while the acting-out child - the scapegoat - is the most emotionally honest child in the dysfunctional family."
(All quotes in this color are from Codependence: The Dance of Wounded Souls)
Enabling is a term used in 12 step recovery to describe the behavior of family members, or other loved ones, who rescue an alcoholic or drug addict from the consequences of their own self destructive behavior. It also relates to rescuing anyone who is caught up in any of the compulsive and/or addictive self destructive behaviors that are symptoms of codependency: gambling; spending; eating disorders; sexual or relationship addictions; inability to hold a job; etc.
Codependency recovery is in one sense growing up. As long as we are caught in unconscious reaction to our childhood wounding we cannot become mature responsible adults capable of healthy, Truly Loving relationships. The person who is caught up in self destructive compulsive/addictive behavior patterns behaves in an immature and irresponsible manner.
[As I note often in my writing, codependency involves extremes of behavior. The immature, irresponsible, self destructive codependent is one extreme of the spectrum - usually the person who is genetically an addictive personality. At the other extreme, is the codependent who is over responsible and/or other focused - and can appear to be very mature and successful, with no need of being rescued. This is often the adult who as a child was being the parent in the family - rescuing and taking care of their own immature parents from a very young age. The family hero or caretaker who defines themselves by external accomplishments, popularity, possessions, superiority to others, etc. This person can be a workaholic, or exercise/health fanatic, or religion addict, or a professional caretaker (therapist, nurse, etc.), or "kind hearted" martyr (who is passively controlling by avoiding conflict and thus set up to be the "wronged" victim) - some type of controlling personality who feels superior to others based upon their seeming ability to be in control of their lives according to certain external criteria. The external criteria can range from being financially successful to being successful in never getting angry - and are dysfunctional codependent measures of worth based upon comparison to, upon feeling superior to, other people. These varieties of codependency are not capable of healthy, Truly Loving relationships either.]
A person who is acting out self destructively has no reason to change if they do not ever suffer major consequences for their behavior. If they are rescued from consequences, they are enabled to continue practicing their addiction.
I celebrated my sobriety anniversary on January 3rd. I have now been clean and sober for over 18 years. The reason I got clean and sober was because my parents did an intervention on me and set a boundary that they would not rescue me financially one more time.
An intervention is a confrontation of self destructive behavior by the addicts loved ones. It is often professionally facilitated - although that is not a necessary requirement. It involves the family and friends of an alcoholic/addict confronting the self destructive behavior and setting boundaries with the person. It is sometimes described as an example of "tough love."
Tough love is a misnomer. Love that does not include boundaries is not Truly Love - it is enmeshment, it is emotional vampirism. If I do not Love myself enough to have boundaries to protect myself from the behavior of others than I am not capable of relating to other people in a healthy Loving manner. Rescuing another from their own self destructive behavior is not Loving - and it is co-dependently dishonest.
When we are reacting out of our codependency, unconsciously reacting out of our childhood emotional wounds and programming, then we are not capable of being honest with ourselves or others. A codependent doesn't rescue or try to save someone they "love" for the other persons benefit - they do it for themselves. A parent who keeps rescuing a child from self destructive behavior is on some level trying to be loving - but at the deepest level they are trying to rescue themselves from the pain of seeing their child destroy themselves. They are being selfish - which is human and normal - but they are doing it dishonestly by telling themselves they are doing it for the other person. This is a set up to feel victimized - and to abuse and shame the child/loved one for their behavior. "How can you do this to me after all I have done for you?"
One of the important distinctions to learn in recovery, is how to draw a boundary between being and behavior. We can love a person's being and still protect ourselves from their behavior if that is necessary. To think that loving someone means we have to accept being abused by them is dysfunctional - and it demonstrates a lack of Love for our self. If we do not know how to be Loving to our self, then we cannot Truly Love another person in a healthy way. If we do not honor our self, show respect for our self, by having boundaries - then the other person is not going to respect us.
Rescuing someone who is actively practicing addiction of some kind, is enabling. It is dysfunctional because it supports the person in continuing to practice their addiction. A person in recovery working on getting healthier may need some help from time to time - and that is great, that is being supportive in a positive manner. Helping someone to continue to self destruct is not support, it is codependency - it is also not Loving.
Robert B.
Unconditional Love does not mean being a doormat for other people - unconditional Love begins with Loving ourselves enough to protect ourselves from the people we Love if that is necessary."
"We live in a society where the emotional experience of "love" is conditional on behavior. Where fear, guilt, and shame are used to try to control children's behavior because parents believe that their children's behavior reflects their self-worth.
In other words, if little Johnny is a well-behaved, "good boy," then his parents are good people. If Johnny acts out, and misbehaves, then there is something wrong with his parents. ("He doesn't come from a good family.")
What the family dynamics research shows is that it is actually the good child - the family hero role -who is the most emotionally dishonest and out of touch with him/herself, while the acting-out child - the scapegoat - is the most emotionally honest child in the dysfunctional family."
(All quotes in this color are from Codependence: The Dance of Wounded Souls)
Enabling is a term used in 12 step recovery to describe the behavior of family members, or other loved ones, who rescue an alcoholic or drug addict from the consequences of their own self destructive behavior. It also relates to rescuing anyone who is caught up in any of the compulsive and/or addictive self destructive behaviors that are symptoms of codependency: gambling; spending; eating disorders; sexual or relationship addictions; inability to hold a job; etc.
Codependency recovery is in one sense growing up. As long as we are caught in unconscious reaction to our childhood wounding we cannot become mature responsible adults capable of healthy, Truly Loving relationships. The person who is caught up in self destructive compulsive/addictive behavior patterns behaves in an immature and irresponsible manner.
[As I note often in my writing, codependency involves extremes of behavior. The immature, irresponsible, self destructive codependent is one extreme of the spectrum - usually the person who is genetically an addictive personality. At the other extreme, is the codependent who is over responsible and/or other focused - and can appear to be very mature and successful, with no need of being rescued. This is often the adult who as a child was being the parent in the family - rescuing and taking care of their own immature parents from a very young age. The family hero or caretaker who defines themselves by external accomplishments, popularity, possessions, superiority to others, etc. This person can be a workaholic, or exercise/health fanatic, or religion addict, or a professional caretaker (therapist, nurse, etc.), or "kind hearted" martyr (who is passively controlling by avoiding conflict and thus set up to be the "wronged" victim) - some type of controlling personality who feels superior to others based upon their seeming ability to be in control of their lives according to certain external criteria. The external criteria can range from being financially successful to being successful in never getting angry - and are dysfunctional codependent measures of worth based upon comparison to, upon feeling superior to, other people. These varieties of codependency are not capable of healthy, Truly Loving relationships either.]
A person who is acting out self destructively has no reason to change if they do not ever suffer major consequences for their behavior. If they are rescued from consequences, they are enabled to continue practicing their addiction.
I celebrated my sobriety anniversary on January 3rd. I have now been clean and sober for over 18 years. The reason I got clean and sober was because my parents did an intervention on me and set a boundary that they would not rescue me financially one more time.
An intervention is a confrontation of self destructive behavior by the addicts loved ones. It is often professionally facilitated - although that is not a necessary requirement. It involves the family and friends of an alcoholic/addict confronting the self destructive behavior and setting boundaries with the person. It is sometimes described as an example of "tough love."
Tough love is a misnomer. Love that does not include boundaries is not Truly Love - it is enmeshment, it is emotional vampirism. If I do not Love myself enough to have boundaries to protect myself from the behavior of others than I am not capable of relating to other people in a healthy Loving manner. Rescuing another from their own self destructive behavior is not Loving - and it is co-dependently dishonest.
When we are reacting out of our codependency, unconsciously reacting out of our childhood emotional wounds and programming, then we are not capable of being honest with ourselves or others. A codependent doesn't rescue or try to save someone they "love" for the other persons benefit - they do it for themselves. A parent who keeps rescuing a child from self destructive behavior is on some level trying to be loving - but at the deepest level they are trying to rescue themselves from the pain of seeing their child destroy themselves. They are being selfish - which is human and normal - but they are doing it dishonestly by telling themselves they are doing it for the other person. This is a set up to feel victimized - and to abuse and shame the child/loved one for their behavior. "How can you do this to me after all I have done for you?"
One of the important distinctions to learn in recovery, is how to draw a boundary between being and behavior. We can love a person's being and still protect ourselves from their behavior if that is necessary. To think that loving someone means we have to accept being abused by them is dysfunctional - and it demonstrates a lack of Love for our self. If we do not know how to be Loving to our self, then we cannot Truly Love another person in a healthy way. If we do not honor our self, show respect for our self, by having boundaries - then the other person is not going to respect us.
Rescuing someone who is actively practicing addiction of some kind, is enabling. It is dysfunctional because it supports the person in continuing to practice their addiction. A person in recovery working on getting healthier may need some help from time to time - and that is great, that is being supportive in a positive manner. Helping someone to continue to self destruct is not support, it is codependency - it is also not Loving.
Robert B.
I quickly began to intro myself as an "and-a..." Then I learned the traditions and the impact my sharing could possibly have on a purely alcoholic person and stopped introducing myself in that manner. However... I am still an and-a. I am still becoming aware of how many layers of dysfunctional disease I have to recover from... I still am not completely aware of how I set up relationships in an ill manner . It is such an insideous disease... this alcoholism... It goes way back in my family of origin on both my parents sides. As I watch the struggles my kids are having in parenting my g-children and the relationships yhey are making in young adulthood. I see the destruction all over again and I wonder if my blood-line will ever be free of the symptoms of this disease...... I was so mad at God for asking me to begin to clean up this generational old mess. I felt the weight of all the dysfunctional relationships in my family's past upon my newly sober shoulders and the weight was incredible. Why must I be the one to clean this up?? I would ask......... Why!!!
Then someone told me it's because This Power Greater than myself knows I am strong enough and intelligent enough to begin to break the chains that have bound my family for generations and that is really an honor, not a curse. I have felt it an honor most of the time, but when I am in the consequences of my own humaness and dysfunctional behaviors in my current relationships it can still feel like a burden............... I desire to be well and have my kids and g-kids free from the pain the old dysfunctional chains can produce....... Yep... a long way to go even tho I've come a long way...........
I love the way she tellls it in the story, "The Keys Of The Kingdom," and it is my favorite story still today because of the way she expresses our new way of life,and daily living of the principles of our. program.
Pg.311, 3rd Edition Text Alcoholics Anonymous.....
"In time I found myself looking forward to each new day with pleasurable anticipation."
"A.A. is not a plan for recovery that can be finished and done with.
It is a way of life, and the challenge contained in it's principles is great enough to keep any human being striving for as long as he lives. We do not, cannot, out-grow this plan As arrested alcoholics, we must have a program for living that allows for limitless expansion. Keeping one foot in front of the other is essential for maintaining our arrestment. others may idle in a retrogressive groove without too much danger, but retrogression can spell death for us. However, this isn't as rough as it sounds, as we do become grateful, for the necessity that makes us tow the line, for we find we are more than compensated for a consistent effort by the countless dividends we receive."
"A complete change takes place in our approach to life. where we used to run from responsibilty, we find ourselves accepting it with gratitude that we can successfully shoulder it. Instead of wanting to escape some perplexing problem, we experience a thrill of challenge in the opportunity it affords for another application of A.A. techniques, and we find ourselves tackling it with suprising vigor."
"The last fifteen years of my life have been rich and weaningful. I have had my share of problems, heartaches, and disappointments, because that is life, but I have also known a great deal of joy, and a peace that is the handmaiden of an inner freedom. I have a wealth of friends and with my A.A. friends, an unusual quality of fellowship. For, to these people, I am truely related. First through mutual pain and dispair, and later through mutual objectives and newfound faith and hope. And, as the years go by, working together, sharing our experiences with one another, and also sharing mutual trust, understanding and love--without strings, without obligation--we aquire relationships that are unique and priceless."
"There is no more "aloneness," with that awful ache, so deep in the heart of every alcoholic that nothing, before, could ever reach it.
That ache is gone and never need return again.
"Now there is a sense of belonging, of being wanted and needed and loved. In return for a bottle and a hangover, we have been given the Keys Of The Kingdom."
Billy
Even if it's to place him in the time out chair against his will. Thus is part of the how and why we are all messed up!!
Lots to reflect on!
I need to get back to an Alanon meeting. It has been a while since I went.
At least I had the basics down pat because I told him I was not picking him up and not to come here while drunk. He tried the" if you loved me you would" bit. I told him I love myself enough to take care of me and you need to take care of you. Tough love.
This is his 2nd relapse in 2 years and I need to rethink things. He never finished his steps which is painfully obvious. He reminds me of how I was before I finished my steps.
To tell the truth lately I have really not liked having him around me. He is irritable, restless and discontent a lot of the time. He loses his temper easily and I just tune him out. He is like an attention seeking baby if he doesn't get his way.
I think I'll go ahead with plans tomorrow to spend some time with my son at his new home. I recently had my 7th AA birthday and my life is going well. I really have had an awesome year and need to focus on the positive.
I can't fix him but I can take care of Kelly and go have a good day off :)
He is drinking and drugging more, gone from home more, and blaming me for it all! "I don't love him,I am rejecting him, I am punishing him" He expects me to welcome him home with a big smile, open arms-and legs! (Too much info-sorry) I'm not a doormat! And besides, wouldn't that be enabling him still?
I was told in a meeting that the "mobile" isn't balanced anymore, give it time. How much can a person take? Apparently my higher power feels I'm strong enough also.
This really sucks!!!
Terri
What exactly should we say to someone who comes here looking for support on their own terms, and who's still convinced that their situation is different and what they really need are some confidence-boosting affirmations? More to the point, maybe, should we say anything at all when others who are in the same boat give them encouragement and advice?
Is it really kindness on our part when we cater to their wishes and bargain with their objections? Or is that like giving someone a piece of candy-coated arsenic and watching them die of slow poisoning while we congratulate ourselves that at least we gave them something sweet to suck on?
Billy, I Snagged your post and printed off a dozen or so, for sponsee's-
folks that sponsor, my sponsor & a few for a file. Gave credit, where credit was due!
I've played all the roles in the codependency circus. Got some sick satisfaction that my major role was the "clown", acting out. Been the hero, care-taker too...not as much fun.
Anyhoo, forwarded this to some old-time members of tonight's meeting &
all agree that this will be the topic, unless we have a sobriety threatening topic come up.
Thank you so much for passing on your knowledge & wisdom....in your humble way!
Billie
I don't think the right answer is always, "Keep coming back." Nor is it, "Can I hold your hand, until the temperature breaks?" Perhaps the right question is, "How can I help?" or "What is in the way here?" Once the door is open just a crack, don't we stand a better chance of penetrating the thick wall of denial?
BTW, I was never hit as a child and never really scorned. I was shown right from wrong in a kind gentle way by me mother. I am not that bad of a person today. Disipline means training; not hitting or demoralizing. Hitting or demoralizing is a form of punishment. So lets keep the terms straight. Tough love, I agree, is too generic a term. Too soft! Punishment is a better fit. Kinda like Shell shock versus Post Tramatic Stree Disorder. Shell shock is more accurate.