"Surrender to win" member D/T thats what i heard in da day. As I saw its....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvb65dCMjZI&feature=related
Billy

I couldn't agree more DT.

DT - as a smoker I agree with you. I've quit so many other addictions in life this is my last thing to conquer. I am mentally not there yet to put them down as I have everything else - i have a gillion excuses of why i can't - just like an addict with alcohol or drugs or food, etc.

I am not saying that I enjoy smoking, in fact I dont. It's costly, it smells bad, it's a health issue and I don't like being around others that smoke -

i see no problem in bringing an "off topic" issue to the board - bottom line addiction is addiction whether it be to alcohol, drugs, food, cigarettes, cigars, gambling or sex - like many others it's a physical and mental addiction. Many many drinkers are smokers and many begin to smoke more after they stop drinking and many stop smoking after they stop drinking.

It doesn't bother me that you bring this topic up on the board - and yes it's a killer and nasty one at that - WHEN (and one day I will) i decide to stop - you will be one of the first to know so you can stay on my ass about not smoking -


btw - BBH - drinking is also a personal decision -

Peace!

I imagine this will be still cruising when I get home and cant wait to chime in with my beliefs.
Everybody have a great day.

Great topics Mark - open a topic on them !!!

It would be fabulous if we could separate all our problems into neat catagories but we can't.

It's hard to deney that cigarettes are an addiction for some. Those who have quit drinking and still smoke have to be mindful the same way people who must take potential addictive medications must be mindful.

Recovery isn't a simple straight forward follow just one manuel deal!

carebear said; "Great topics Mark - open a topic on them !!! "

major lol's....

carebear, I'd go so far as to say that part , only part , of the reason many can recover from multiple drug addiction but NOT tobacco is because we don't take it seriuosly. You can do this.
BBH, all I'm really saying is that tobacco should be treated like any other drug addiction. To the extent doing coke in the parking lot before the meeting is an outside issue, so is tobacco.

Compost, you said -- "It's hard to deney that cigarettes are an addiction for some."

Just wondering -- Is there anyone here who smokes who isn't addicted to them?

I quit smoking years before I quit drinking. For me, quitting smoking was harder that first week -- I wanted a cigarette nonstop from the moment I woke up. When I quit drinking I was okay in the mornings. Plus when I quit drinking I already knew I could do it. I quit smoking successfully -- no reason I couldn't quit drinking as well. And just as the desire to smoke has disappeared, the desire to drink for me is also gone.

Smoking and drinking were intertwined for me. When I was a smoker, the cigarettes I most wanted were when I was drinking, even though I knew I'd get a firggin horrible hangover if I smoked a lot while drinking.

As far as I know you don't smoke, DT. So, why care?

DT - I do take it seriously, my father's lympnoid cancer was caused from drinking and smoking and his stroke was related to smoking, my paternal family's history has high blood pressure and heart problems - but i do agree in the fact that it's not as serious as drugs or alcohol -

Yes, I know I can do it and now that I am going to the gym, changing my eating habits and attempting at maintaining my health it's all gonna be for not, if I don't stop smoking. Also, it would make my daughter so happy, she's been begging me since she was a young child to stop.

I knew a lady who was an addict to all sorts of things and one by one she threw them off. Cigarettes were her last thing. I often told her I'd rather her be smoking right now than doing all those other things. She will come to conviction just like she did with all the others.

She was clearly an overcomer and this would just be the "next thing" in her progress as a human being.

You know what's weird? I know some people who never smoke at ALL (normally), ever and HATE it, but if they get drunk enough they'll smoke but when sober, never crave it - HOW do they do that? So, in essence, it was the alcohol that made them smoke, I guess.

I am an ex smoker, quit way long ago, way before I was drinking and never picked up a cigarette when I was drinking. I smoked more when I drank/smoke at the same time. So go figure.

Then there's pot! Now, I know they say pot is a trigger for other drug use, but I've not heard about tobacco being that way.

I'm a smoker and, yeah, addicted to it. It hasn't brought me to a desperate point where alcohol did, but it's working its way there.

I know I need to quit, but I don't want to quit. That is why I still smoke. Plain and simple.

When the want becomes greater than the need, then I will be able to put the cigarettes down.

~Chris