That is a quote from the 12&12 not the BB and it is referring to debating the "chicken before the egg"... It is not used categorically and does not imply there is anything wrong with debate in general.

How do you suppose lawyers and politicians get sober. My sponsor is a lawyer with some excellent sobriety.

Just to be clear... I am aware this is not an AA board. I am not an AA representative of any sort and am NOT debating the steps or AA's program of recovery. I do not speak on behalf of AA. Nor do I speak on behalf of any of its members. I speak for myself and express my own experience, strength, and hope.

Michael in Kansas.... Have you ever been to an AA business meeting?

So what, I get a little feisty once in awhile.

I am sober and happy today, and not NEARLY the bitch I was a year ago. Progress not perfection.

"How do you suppose lawyers and politicians get sober"

I know how one lawyer got sober. He left his high-price law firm in NY and went on the road as a box salesman.

I love that story.

I don't know that story. Hmm...

Thinking I could be really argumentative right about now and insist it was likely the 12 steps that got him sober... jk.

I could never be sober lawyer.

Actually, I am not sure I could ever be a traveling sober box salesman either.

You need to synch up with AndreaVictoria.

GASP!

How dare you?

;)

ROFLMAO! Not YOU, silly goose!

Taradactyl, Yes there is, much more to it.

I'm sorry to hear your dad never got better. I hope one day you will.

I AM BETTER DAMMIT !!!!!

Welcome to the group LMichael, I'm always intrigued at how old threads get located by new members. Good to see the search engine working again. Whilst you're here, check out the sub-groups on the groups tab, they can enhance your stay here.

Tara is an inspiration to anyone who ever drank too much and didn't want to.

Not cool bumping such an old post.

AV: not sure what the heck to say to you.....

" I don't know that story. Hmm..."

Don't know why you would know it. The man is an acquaintance of my husband. Not all great sobriety tales are in books...most are in real life.

I actually thought maybe it was a joke that went over my head....

Aw, thanks Sparky (blushing)

...repeating to self over and over... "it will be just fine... no one is going to bump any of the really old ugly threads... it will okay"

Sparky reply #57, Oh that's ok. And I do think alcohol as well as any substance can be a very complicated Dis-Ease.

I don't think there's anything wrong with bumping up old posts ... if it's for the right reasons ... and I think it genuinely was this time.

Don't worry, Tara, if one of the OLD ugly ones gets bumped, you can just be amazed and proud of how far you've come. You are rocking this sobriety thang!