I glad you found what you needed to stay sober. Tis a shame it comes with an offensive attitude. I'll pray for you...

Hugs,
Dennis

Offensive attitude?

In some programs anyone who uses their brain supposedly has an offensive attitude.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Bluto Watch out Olive noooooooooooooo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E86PG3CTSvk

I had this friend named Dan who had alot of anger, fear, and sarcasm toward people places and things which he didn't understand.

Unfortunately he past away. He was young and only 54 at the time.

May you have more peace where you are now then when you did here on earth Dan!

God Bless!

I think this explains it better than I can:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwOQKlVZZsc

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It's great you're sober. Great you know what kind of groups you prefer. It's too bad you have to put down groups that work for other people. That's your deal though.
No one ever asked me to give my will to invisible spirits. As I have a non-theistic approach to higher power, no one insisted that I define God. A more left-brained, "laws of nature" work just fine, as it has more to do with cause and effect. I adhere to the laws of nature, I do the work and the results come. Those laws are certainly beyond my control, and so as a greater power, whatever, it works for me. While it's not necessarily part of my recovery model, am not ruling out a 3rd party higher power. While doubting it, who am I with my limited raw knowledge and relatively small brain to say for sure there's absolutely for sure no such decision-making Higher power. "Come on God, pick the Patriots to win the Super Bowl!" I still have a hard time with, "Ask Him to remove my defects of character", but that's just where I'm at, it wasn't a show-stopper for me. I believe more in work, not magical gifts from a anthropomorphic dude.

Otherwise, Recovery in 12 steps groups is way easier and happier for me than it ever was when I did it all alone with no method, and no support.

Don't get lost in semantics or pre-conceived definitions that bring up negative reactions in you. Not necessary to be a theist. Not even necessary for you to go to 12 step groups, but if it's working for others, it isn't necessary for you to insult them about it. If you think you're being helpful, with constructive criticism, ok, I'll have to reexamine my semantics on the term, "helpful."
http://aaagnostica.org/

I can see if you'd be all mad because you were court ordered to go to AA, but otherwise, it's a great thing there are other programs that courts find acceptable which work for some people. I've heard good things about Smart Recovery too, and Refuge Recovery. Both of which are accepted by courts.
If you don't think you need any "recovery program", or attitude adjustment because you're actually happy, cool. I think there's lots of 12 steppers in this forum who would rather you keep that kind of happiness to yourself. But whatever, it's an open forum, you've stimulated thought. Hopefully you haven't discouraged people from being open-minded and saving their lives through (semantics aside) a pretty open-to-interpretation-path.

I suggest meditation, tolerance and prayer Fuzzy. You harbor some deep resentment towards AA and I am not sure why. Congrats to you and your sobriety, just give the AA bashing a break. This has been going on in this forum long before many of us came here.

I forget his name, but I sure miss the guy who's avitar was a man with a camera taking a picture. He would really take you to task. It would be fun to watch.

Never looking in mirror hides our imperfection

yep whoda, good old nemo would have let him be who he is but might have given him some food for thought.

A belief in God is not a requirement, many atheists recover, I have witnessed it. In fact my sponsor is an atheist, she is a recovered alcoholic and has been for 12 years.

Some people say their higher power is an object. For instance a man said his motorcycle was his higher power. But how do you turn your will over to a motorcycle, and how does this follow the writing in The Big Book which constantly refers to God as "he" and has a personality like the God of the Bible?


A lot of people in AA aren't following the Big Books instructions all the way....which is a good thing. The book itself has some pretty dangerous, outdated opinions.