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mrsmills2013
feel the need to one up you when you are grieving? Or tell you that you are doing it wrong?
I have this friend, I'll call her S. She and I have been friends for a long time, but during the last few years of my husband's illness, she has truly shown her colors.
See, my husband died of hepatorenal failure. This is a secondary issue to cirrhosis. D was not a heavy drinker, but did drink daily, and just beer. He would readily admit he was a functioning alcoholic. Not that beer makes it better, but he was not a falling down, sloppy drunk. Either way it doesn't matter. It killed him.
About six months ago, I was frustrated and griping about the fact that I could not get him to put down the beer to S. I wanted him to live, and I knew that this was slowly killing him. Her response to me was that it was too bad he wouldn't move out of the house to spare me the agony of watching him slowly die.
I was infuriated. It took almost five months for me to speak to her again, and I only did because she is my daughter's godmother, and we have been "friends" for over 20 years.
When D died, S was in the process of moving from NY to AZ. She was making her first trip cross country to get the new house set up, and was leaving the next day. I called her, told her what was going on, and then got off the phone, I just didn't want to talk. I still don't, not really to anyone.
I didn't hear from her the entire time she was gone, which honestly didn't bother me because I didn't want to talk to her anyway.
Fast forward 3 weeks, and she is back in NY. She gives me a call under the pretense of checking on me. It was the day after I picked up D's ashes, and I was really struggling with the fact that he is never going to be here again. Keep in mind, this is literally 3 weeks after he died.
I bought a pendant that I can wear a tiny bit of his ashes around my neck, and a small urn so that I can keep some of the ashes. The rest will be buried close to his parents next month, but for now he is on my dresser. I am okay with this. It makes me feel close to him, knowing a part of his physical being is still with me.
So I am telling her all of this, and that I really have not been in the mood to talk to anyone, and she starts telling me that isn't healthy. I immediately went quiet. It's not healthy that I don't want to talk to anyone, but prefer to grieve in peace? Then she says she gets that I have the pendant, but she thinks it is unhealthy that I have the urn, and what am I going to do when I don't want to look at it anymore? (This is the same woman who has kept the ashes of every dog she has ever owned). I was kind of stunned into silence, and went into justification mode. As if I needed to justify how I grieve. I told her that I planned on planting a tree in my back yard and then if I didn't want to "look" at the urn anymore I could put his ashes in the earth.
Then she makes up this bald faced lie about how when her father died, and she was going to say her last goodbyes, she literally was looking through a window watching him go into the oven to be cremated. I thought OMG how horrible!!! Why in the world would a funeral director do such a thing? And ended up telling her how sorry I was that she needed to go through that. Then she asked me if she could go with me to the memorial, but I would have to pick her up because she does not have a working vehicle that would make it the 1 1/2 hour drive to my husband's hometown. I said sure.
Fast forward again to last night. I spent the weekend with my sweet in laws, crying, reminiscing, and planning the memorial service for next month. I got home, emotionally spent, yet wired beyond belief. I scrubbed my house til near exhaustion, and got in the shower. And then it occurred to me that the whole story about her watching the cremation was probably a lie.
So I ran a search, and NYS law says that only authorized personnel are allowed to handle a cremation. And NYS is one of the few states that require a license for this type of work.
I am enraged. I don't care what the reason was that my husband died, he was a wonderful, sweet, funny caring man, and I love him with all of my heart. I always will. And this woman, who is supposed to be my friend, has the audacity to come in and try to put the focus on her?
I don't know how to handle this. I don't want to be her friend anymore, and won't be. But I know that she will have some lame excuse for why she said those things, and I don't want to hear them. I guess what I am asking is has anyone else experienced this, and is it okay for me to just stop talking to her with no explanation?
I have this friend, I'll call her S. She and I have been friends for a long time, but during the last few years of my husband's illness, she has truly shown her colors.
See, my husband died of hepatorenal failure. This is a secondary issue to cirrhosis. D was not a heavy drinker, but did drink daily, and just beer. He would readily admit he was a functioning alcoholic. Not that beer makes it better, but he was not a falling down, sloppy drunk. Either way it doesn't matter. It killed him.
About six months ago, I was frustrated and griping about the fact that I could not get him to put down the beer to S. I wanted him to live, and I knew that this was slowly killing him. Her response to me was that it was too bad he wouldn't move out of the house to spare me the agony of watching him slowly die.
I was infuriated. It took almost five months for me to speak to her again, and I only did because she is my daughter's godmother, and we have been "friends" for over 20 years.
When D died, S was in the process of moving from NY to AZ. She was making her first trip cross country to get the new house set up, and was leaving the next day. I called her, told her what was going on, and then got off the phone, I just didn't want to talk. I still don't, not really to anyone.
I didn't hear from her the entire time she was gone, which honestly didn't bother me because I didn't want to talk to her anyway.
Fast forward 3 weeks, and she is back in NY. She gives me a call under the pretense of checking on me. It was the day after I picked up D's ashes, and I was really struggling with the fact that he is never going to be here again. Keep in mind, this is literally 3 weeks after he died.
I bought a pendant that I can wear a tiny bit of his ashes around my neck, and a small urn so that I can keep some of the ashes. The rest will be buried close to his parents next month, but for now he is on my dresser. I am okay with this. It makes me feel close to him, knowing a part of his physical being is still with me.
So I am telling her all of this, and that I really have not been in the mood to talk to anyone, and she starts telling me that isn't healthy. I immediately went quiet. It's not healthy that I don't want to talk to anyone, but prefer to grieve in peace? Then she says she gets that I have the pendant, but she thinks it is unhealthy that I have the urn, and what am I going to do when I don't want to look at it anymore? (This is the same woman who has kept the ashes of every dog she has ever owned). I was kind of stunned into silence, and went into justification mode. As if I needed to justify how I grieve. I told her that I planned on planting a tree in my back yard and then if I didn't want to "look" at the urn anymore I could put his ashes in the earth.
Then she makes up this bald faced lie about how when her father died, and she was going to say her last goodbyes, she literally was looking through a window watching him go into the oven to be cremated. I thought OMG how horrible!!! Why in the world would a funeral director do such a thing? And ended up telling her how sorry I was that she needed to go through that. Then she asked me if she could go with me to the memorial, but I would have to pick her up because she does not have a working vehicle that would make it the 1 1/2 hour drive to my husband's hometown. I said sure.
Fast forward again to last night. I spent the weekend with my sweet in laws, crying, reminiscing, and planning the memorial service for next month. I got home, emotionally spent, yet wired beyond belief. I scrubbed my house til near exhaustion, and got in the shower. And then it occurred to me that the whole story about her watching the cremation was probably a lie.
So I ran a search, and NYS law says that only authorized personnel are allowed to handle a cremation. And NYS is one of the few states that require a license for this type of work.
I am enraged. I don't care what the reason was that my husband died, he was a wonderful, sweet, funny caring man, and I love him with all of my heart. I always will. And this woman, who is supposed to be my friend, has the audacity to come in and try to put the focus on her?
I don't know how to handle this. I don't want to be her friend anymore, and won't be. But I know that she will have some lame excuse for why she said those things, and I don't want to hear them. I guess what I am asking is has anyone else experienced this, and is it okay for me to just stop talking to her with no explanation?
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'friends" have said when we are most vunerable. It is perfectly fine for you to grieve the way you need to and to surround yourself only with those you want to. I was surprised when my Ron passed that that the list of people who were there for me was not necessarily the list I would have thought it would be, both in that there are people on it I never would have thought would be there and others who I was sure would be and were not.
Then, she is getting deleted from the address book.
A while back I posted "a letter to my friend". Also not long ago, someone re-posted an entry from Wifeless about what we have lost. I sent Wifeless' post to my Pastor. We were emailing and he mentioned that he knows what it is like to lose parents but not a spouse. He and I are the same age. I had just read it that morning and thought it so perfectly summed things up. maybe you could send one of those, or both, to your friend someday. Just as a "I don't think you comprehend what this is like, so here are some things others have written to explain". If she is offended, then you clearly have your answer about continuing the friendship but even if you walk away from her, maybe she will have learned something in the meantime. I am considering doing the same with my "friend". And then on the other hand, maybe we don't need to waste precious energy on people like that. What I know for sure, though, is that I have said some stupid things to people in the past because I simply had no idea what real grief felt like. I trust that I will be a better person in that realm now.
Sending you a hug as you deal with all these things that add to the burden of our journey.
Kate
On the one hand, when I tried to explain to my friend why I was angry about her comment when my husband was alive, she said she was just trying to make me feel better. I didn't. Regardless, I am not sure what the motivation behind this is. And frankly, I don't care. Whatever happened to just acknowledging that you lost someone and saying I'm sorry, I am here if you need to talk?
For just a moment, I forgot. I looked at the clock and thought oh good I'm done in an hour and a half and I can go home and see Denny.
I WAS doing good today.
So many days, I've done what you just said, sending hugs to you. There is no other thing to say than "this sucks".
Mrs. Mills- Some people have a difficult time with being empathetic. It sounds like your friend is one of those people. Some people, and usually they are people that are bit emotionally stunted, just don't have the capacity to put themselves in another person's shoes. Your friend may be one of those people. I have am blessed with very good friends. They show me nothing but love and support.
However- my family and Bernie's family- that is a whole different story. I have people I love very much that I have totally cut ties with for the time being. I just can't be around it right now.
I will go back and pick up those relationships later on, when I am stronger emotionally. The normal me is pretty good at overlooking hurtful things said and done to me by people I love. Unfortunately, the grief stricken me wants to scratch out the eyeballs of anyone saying anything critical about my husband. It's better for me- and safer for them, if I put some distance between myself and them right now.
I think Katie had a good idea about printing off the post that so eloquently explains the difference between this losing a significant other and losing anyone else. Maybe that will help her understand.
Sending good thoughts your way!
Upon further research we found that this parent had a history of doing this resulting in the kid never moving ahead. All this because this had become the parent's identity. There is a term for this but I can't recall it right now. This lady might have this same issue. Their identity is living a life constantly in drama. Gives them something to talk about and gets them false sympathy. Unfortunately it is extremely hard to get them to see it because it means giving up this sense of being the recipient of pity and the poor you comments. They don't want to lose that identity. The best thing is to keep a distance form those folks and let them do what my grandmother used to call wallow around in their own pity.
Peace, Tim
Tim, it is interesting that you say that, because in the 20+ years I have known this woman, that is exactly how she has been. Always surrounded by some kind of crisis, or putting herself in the midst of someone elses. I will even go as far as to say that she will create a crisis.
I don't need that. Not just right now, but I just don't need it period. My other friends have been wonderful, supportive, but also giving me the space I need to grieve. They know they will hear from me when I am ready. But I get a brief call or text just to let me know they are still there.
Monday and Tuesday is my "weekend" from work, and will be the first weekend I do not really have to see anyone. My dear sweet husband bought me a gift card to a local spa, and I still have some unused portion, so I have scheduled myself a massage. I am going to have that done, and just putter around my house. I am going to shut off the phone, and take a much needed rest to think about Denny, try to remember the things he did to make me laugh, and feel comforted by the fact that we loved each other so completely. I want to remember that I am fortunate, some people never find that, and although we were together for five short years, they were the best years of my life.