My story...Married extremely young. Had a good marriage but with a self absorbed hubby. About 9 yrs ago, my kids were just graduating college & high school. I had been the continuously involved mom. Had empty nest syndrome along with some other issues pertaining to mid life crisis. Had an affair & then a divorce after 25 yrs. of marriage. Husband said he would ruin my life, take EVERYTHING that was important to me away if I didn't stay. I didn't.
My kids were devastated from my betrayal. I was a mess.
Daughter was as vicious as ex. son soon forgave me. Daughter TOTALLY est. me. Was not invited to wedding, that I was paying for, was not included with birth of first GC. Then GC was sick & she slowly started letting me see GC. Very hostile towards me, but started to let me in the door. This was in about a 4 year period.
Ex outright punishes anybody & everybody who has any connection with me. Even my son.
By the way, I am still with the person that I had the affair with & my ex & his ex are now married. Did ya catch that??? My now fiance lived with a woman, he & I had an affair. Our significant others hooked up & got married. Unfortunately they are miserable because they are both evil ppl. So...ex's wife is the queen of vendictive behavior. She, my ex & my semi est. daughter treat me like dirt.
I stay connected because I have become attached to my GCs & tell myself that they can "suck it" as long as I get to see my GCs. But very difficult because of the treatment. Just wishing I could see GCs & never see the others.
Anybody else deal with being included just enough to witness all the ways you are a nothing?
Wow, that is everyone's dream that their evil x will marry the other evil x! haha That's a good one there!
Well my heart goes out to you because anytime there are grands involved your heart is stuck. It's sad because our kids do not see us as people. I dont know what they think we are, but they dont think we are flesh and blood and feelings you know!
Paws,
Yes...Jerry Springer only wishes he could get guests as entertaining as the ppl in my environment! Funny thing is, they set on the front pew every Sunday morning!! Educated nut cases with hearts as hateful as anybody you would meet.
Oh my gosh isnt that the truth!! The enablers that took my son off are huge in church... You know what they say, you can stand in the garage and call yourself a car but doesnt make you one! Now everyone that goes to church is real.
You know the Bible does say that what is done in darkness will be brought in the light, so we can take heart that we wont be on the bottom forever. Sooner or later what goes around comes around you know! (Hugs)
Sadly, I can relate to much of what you described. I am sure by now you have heard of parental alienation and several books were recommended to me which confirmed what I had thought all along but didn't know it had a name. Unfortunately, it is a situation that is difficult to fix. Our EC have been brainwashed to a point where they actually believe the lies they were told and even believe that circumstances about the past which were untrue were true. And most often they don't want to hear anything we have to say about either the past lr present and have even developed an actual hatred toward us.
I found the more I tried to fix anything or even all the good I did when ES and I reconciled for several years, just didn't matter or have any positive affect. And that was after 12 years of being reconciled, being in grands lives, doing things together, etc. Something triggered ES again and now I can no longer see grands and ES is doing the same thing to my GS that my ex did to him and now gs is believing the lies.
Not very encouraging but you asked if anyone had a similar experience. I, also, left ex and I have discovered that the one who initiates the divorce is perceived by kids as the bad one and the ex who is left is so angry and bitter and has one goal......to get even at any cost.
My advice is to tread cautiously and say little to nothing about anything. (Of course do not tolerate disrespect or abuse) Focus on developing bond with gc for as long as you can and if your daughter pulls away again in the future, you will have planted the seeds of memory into your gc and that gives way to hope.
I heard a wonderful Quote last night:
How People treat you is their karma: How you respond is yours: We are worth so much more then they give us credit for and you have to realize this becomes more their loss then ours as time goes by.
Because the very children they are raising will be a reflection of themselves more then likely....what do you think they will get in return from these kids? And when their kids go off and make their own lives because the family values and respect weren't fully instilled I believe their actions will take them full circle to where we are right now. By that point in time we will either be dead or really not give a crap anymore. Their children are being denied loving grand parents at some point they will have to answer to these kids as to why they don't see their other grandparents or any grandparents.....with the internet and a world of information at these kids hands those dopes who lie to their kids will find some of us even if they do not contact us those kids will catch them in lies....You cannot Spit UP with out it coming back down in your face! And if nothing else Bottom line these Rotten kids are raising their own....Little clones!!! And those who do not have kids will end up alone with nothing but cruel memories to reflect back upon over their life! OH there is an accomplishment to be proud of I shunned my parents WOW Im Special! We get to always hold our heads high and sleep with a clear conscience til the day we die. That's just How I feel.
I think we are all givers, and did so much to our little brats that they are spoiled rotten, and I dont think they will give of themselves to their kids, making their kids work for love and attention, in other words their kids will be like us, givers.. see the cycle? I dont know but I bet their kids wont do them like they have done us.
I really gotta go BUT!!! LOL No I think they will spoil their kids rotten with materialistic BS. What I dont think they will do..is show them How to love or much love......they will buy their love their own kids will be cold hearted and not bonded because our kids broke their own bonds they are incapable of bonding....they are capable of Ganging , judging, neither is healthy trust me I think Im on to something, my guts tell me>
Well my heart goes out to you because anytime there are grands involved your heart is stuck. It's sad because our kids do not see us as people. I dont know what they think we are, but they dont think we are flesh and blood and feelings you know!
Yes...Jerry Springer only wishes he could get guests as entertaining as the ppl in my environment! Funny thing is, they set on the front pew every Sunday morning!! Educated nut cases with hearts as hateful as anybody you would meet.
I found the more I tried to fix anything or even all the good I did when ES and I reconciled for several years, just didn't matter or have any positive affect. And that was after 12 years of being reconciled, being in grands lives, doing things together, etc. Something triggered ES again and now I can no longer see grands and ES is doing the same thing to my GS that my ex did to him and now gs is believing the lies.
Not very encouraging but you asked if anyone had a similar experience. I, also, left ex and I have discovered that the one who initiates the divorce is perceived by kids as the bad one and the ex who is left is so angry and bitter and has one goal......to get even at any cost.
My advice is to tread cautiously and say little to nothing about anything. (Of course do not tolerate disrespect or abuse) Focus on developing bond with gc for as long as you can and if your daughter pulls away again in the future, you will have planted the seeds of memory into your gc and that gives way to hope.
iron gave some good advice
How People treat you is their karma: How you respond is yours: We are worth so much more then they give us credit for and you have to realize this becomes more their loss then ours as time goes by.