I had to catch up on a couple of other shows but I hope to get at least the first hour done tomorrow...

Okay, I watched the full two hours... but is it bad that right now I can't remember much of what happened?

Oh, I do know one thing, if it weren't for your recap and what my Dad told me, I would've been totally lost. So thanks for that.

Darkness, post your thoughts about it; maybe it might help refresh my memory a bit...

Sparks stole the "baby" because a young version of his dead daughter Katie told him that he has to help the baby or he won't be able to see her anymore. He takes Katie and the "baby" to a camping ground that he used to go to with his family. Katie tells him when the "baby" is hungry for food which seems to be mainly soda. We things from the "baby's" point of view but never see the "baby". Sometimes the "baby" is hungry for energy from other people and sucks it out of them. Those weird circles cover their head and it's really painful. It doesn't kill them but puts them under the "baby's" control so they will do whatever it wants. Like when those men shot each other at ISEA so Sparks could take the baby. Sparks convinces his ex wife to meet him and takes him to Katie. They are both ok with sacrificing others as long as they have Katie.

Yasumoto reaches out to Molly saying he will help her find her baby because he says the baby needs his mother. He sends her with Dr. Mason who does help her get to the campground but he acts really suspiciously. She sees Sparks and his ex wife talking to someone who isn't there. I assume they can see Katie but no one else can. Molly is lead to her 'baby" and it's a replay of after the accident when she lost the baby in the car accident except this time the baby survives and is shown to her by Sam in an incubator. It's what she wants to see and she is in a trance like state because of it. At one point she's even convinced to enter in an access code thinking she's entering it in the incubator to save her baby. I don't remember why she needed to enter the code. Sparks want to shoot Molly later on but Katie says the baby needs her. Sparks shoots Kryger in the stomach trying to keep him from getting to the baby.

Meanwhile Julie and Odin are looking after Ethan while John is with Yasumoto. Odin is still acting like Ethan's friend but he's convincing Ethan that his father is too overprotective. Basically it seems like he wants Ethan to rebel against John and trust him! Ethan even lets Odin flip his battery before he goes to sleep. When Julie found out Odin flipped Ethan she was upset but Odin seduced her to keep her quiet. If only Julie knew that Odin is using her so he destroy Ethan and the rest of Humanics! It's strange that Odin is against technology yet he seems to love his new artificial arm that was made bu Humanics!

That's all I remember. Hope this helps.

It helped greatly, thank you! If only they were as concise in their storytelling on the show as your recap was, the show might hold my interest more...

Yeah Sparks and his wife are the only two who see Katie, the same way Molly was the only one who saw Marcus' brother at the party and why on the space station it looked like she was reacting to nothing and the same with Kryger in the video of him when he thought he was seeing his mother. I suppose one of the things the alien part of the baby can do is project visions, which is why it projected the vision into Molly's head that she was back at the hospital after the accident only instead Marcus and the baby survived.

I assume the code had to do with the space station - since the guy who's up there at the time Molly enters the code in was told by Ben, the computer system, that a change was made to the system; something about heading back to Earth or something like that I think - which could either mean that the alien baby is bringing its alien family members to Earth or is looking for a way to get back out there...?

I'm so not liking the direction they're taking things with Ethan - given the way he was programmed, and granted he's learning differently now since his system was crashed and rebooted, but given how he was programmed and all it just bugged me that Odin could come along and manage with very little prompting to get Ethan to defy his father's directions and potentially harm himself the way he did. Granted nothing bad ultimately happened when he held his hand over the flame, but as a computer that can think for himself his mind should be ruled primarily if not wholly by reason and logic; given he's not human he would lack the emotions humans do that would otherwise play into the thought process. So really, why would he defy his father (take out the notion of any kid willingly testing the boundaries set by their parent for a second and take it solely as instructions from those who put him together on how to properly maintain his physical body and system) when logic would suggest that the heat from the flame could burn the "flesh" or do internal damage to his receptors or what have you? Just seemed like that bit was more for showing why Ethan would trust Odin but less about keeping true to how Ethan was developed.

I just knew though that when John sent Ethan down to the lab to find Julie it would be Odin that would find him first - willing to bet she was still actually there and didn't leave like Odin claimed but he just saw it as an opportunity to take Ethan away. Question is - with John stuck at Yasumoto's (and what's up with the amount of security they've got on him?!), and Molly once again in search of her baby (which I imagine we may never actually physically see.. since it seems to move about independently and no one seems to notice it directly and when we see things from its perspective it's hazy like we're looking through a film, I can't imagine they have any idea what it should look like but it's probably not resembling a human form now), who will notice Ethan's in trouble and be the one to save him? I'm guessing Julie since alien/human hybrid baby apparently trumps humanic robot child in Molly's world and John's got no chance of getting out of Yasumoto's sight once they realize Ethan's disappeared.

I can only assume Odin and anyone else against the idea of humanics must see that as a technological overreach - like someone who would say, support the idea of in vitro but not cloning. Like for Odin, the tech is great in terms of his arm but not so much in terms of having full-fledged human-like robots populating the world... something to that effect, maybe... I feel bad for Julie though; she's gone and gotten involved with Odin thinking he's a good guy but he really isn't and he's only using her for access to Ethan.

You're right the code must have to do with the space station because it was some sort of course correction. Maybe ISEA knows where to find the other aliens but since it was a man in the space station they are steering him away from where they are? Why wouldn't they send another woman up though?

I don't like how they are developing the Ethan storyline either. Ethan does sometimes go against what John tells him to do such as with the bird but he's never done anything that could result in physical harm to himself. I agree they are just trying to find a way for Odin to get a hold of Ethan.

I'm not sure why they have some much security around John. Maybe John is Yasumoto's insurance policy? He knows that he can threaten John's safety to get Molly to do what he wants. I know Yasumoto wants the baby/alien back because he wants to study him. The only time I thought we caught a glimpse of the baby/alien was when that woman who ran the campground saw a pink martian looking thing in the bushes. It was really hard to see what it was. She was out there with a shotgun because she thought it was a coyote. That might not have been what the alien/baby looked like and only a projection to get her out there so Sparks' could bring her to the baby/alien. Wasn't the baby/alien going to feed on her too?

I agree with what you said about Odin's motivations. Using technology to replace his arm is fine but not to create a human like robot who would become more powerful than man. I feel badly for Julie too because she doesn't see Odin's true colors! She find out at some point though.

I don't think the course change was an ISEA thing - Sparks was watching Molly enter the code but it was definitely the doing of the alien baby and not Sparks himself or ISEA. I think it's the alien that either is looking to bring other alien spores to Earth or it's looking for a way back out there.. but probably more the former than the latter...

I thought about the bird thing too and when he went outside to catch the bird in the first place even though he was told to stay in the house... true he has defied his father, but in the instance with Odin it wasn't just a matter of defying John as a child would push the boundaries a parent has set but in a clear defiance of his own programming. Granted, a child may well try to touch a hot stove even after being told it's hot so they shouldn't touch it, but Ethan's computerized brain should think more reasonably and logically without needing a proven consequence first to understand it. Having already been tampered with once before, you would think there would be something within him that would make him more wanting to protect himself than less willing and knowing there is even slight potential he could damage himself should have been enough reason for him to not do it. A regular child I could easily see being swayed like that but Ethan shouldn't be reacting that way.

Did you actually see something in the bushes? I didn't notice any pink alien thing in that scene but maybe I missed it. I don't think Sparks was going to allow the baby to feed off the woman that worked at the campsite though because she was someone he'd known for a long time and felt like she was like family, which is also why it was not his intention to shoot her, but it was disturbing he seemed to get over that for the sake of reuniting with his (ex?) wife and the Katie vision.

I think you're right that John is Yasumoto's insurance policy with dealing with Molly and trying to get the baby back. In the previous two episodes I missed, did Molly or John ever learn of Yasumoto's ISEA connection or that he was involved in the removal of the alien baby from Molly's womb? Because I would think that if they were aware of that they would never have trusted him to help them. And surely now John must have red flags going off in his head to see that Yasumoto's wife was among those who initially denied him funding for the humanics project and then suddenly Yasumoto granted him the funding - wouldn't that make him wonder why he'd be for it if she was so against it? Put that together with his ISEA connection and it's obvious the guy had ulterior motives from the get go and only funded John's group as a means to get to Molly and the baby more easily.

I hope Julie finds out about Odin fast too and I hope she kicks his behind seven ways to Sunday for it too! You know she'll be the one to save Ethan because she's the only one who has the means to at this point and she cares too much about Ethan to not save him. I just would hope she (or anyone really) can get to him in time before Odin can do major damage to him - now that Odin knows how to change his power core, who knows what he might do or where...

Only like 2 or 3 more episodes left to the season... I hope they resolve everything they possibly can before it ends because I don't think a renewal is likely given the ratings drop the show had from the start to now - those doubled up weeks to speed up the finale along with the timeslot change do not bode well for a renewal so I don't want them to leave a bunch of cliffhangers or I will not be satisfied!

You're right the course change would be more of an alien baby thing! It makes sense for the alien baby to want to bring more spores. So it's only women they want because women can carry the spores?

I agree Ethan shouldn't be behaving the way he has been. Do you think it has anything to do with when he was shut down? Before he was shut down he didn't have as much control over his systems nor did he know Japanese. Maybe an unintended consequence is that he's not thinking as logically as he should be?

Yes, I thought I saw something very briefly in the bushes. I had forgotten that he hadn't wanted the alien baby to feed off the owner of the campsite. Sparks and his wife don't care what they have to do as long as they have Katie.

Yasumoto tells Molly that he was responsible for removing the alien baby from her womb. He convinces her that he wants to protect her baby! I don't understand why Molly would trust him after finding that out. Yasumoto's wife is part of Odin's anti-technology group. Yes, John would definitely have red flags going off. What is that substance that Yasumoto needs to survive that they were mining?

Yes, Odin is such a loose canon! He has such sway over Ethan that he could turn him against everyone! Julie is the only one who can save Ethan! I hope she doesn't end up getting hurt!

I hope they resolve everything too!

I'm not even sure the alien/spores want or need more women - I think impregnating Molly was its way of getting to Earth but perhaps they do not seek to make more hybrid alien/human kids but rather just needed the one to help bring the rest of the spores to Earth. Perhaps they are like parasites... maybe Molly's baby isn't even half human and only took on the appearance of a human infant as a guise or as a projection to protect itself... I would assume we'll get more clarity on this but who knows...

I don't understand how Ethan's shut down and reboot would lead to him suddenly being able to know things he didn't before or learn exceptionally quickly - or at least quicker than he ever picked up on anything before. Again, as with the whole defying his Dad as a means to show he trusts Odin plotline, having Ethan suddenly change and develop in ways he didn't before do not make any sense other than for the sake of directing the plot. The only thing that may possibly make some sense to the plot is if during his shut down he was given a virus which is causing his system to alter how it works. He is in essence a walking computer system after all, so if a computer shuts down and needs to be rebooted, at best all the same processes are still intact and it can do what it did before until there's a virus...

I either missed Yasumoto's confession from the week before or just tuned him out... I don't get why Molly would trust his help then if she knows he's responsible for the baby being removed from her. And with that knowledge plus having seen Yasumoto's wife and all - does John not remember her? That's like the only reason I can think of for him not being suspicious of Yasumoto's motivations sooner. I have no idea what the substance is that he's surviving on, by the way, but I imagine it is alien in origin and connected to the spores... that would perhaps explain his fascination with Molly's alien baby.

I watched last night's episode. Have you watched it yet? Yasumoto explained his motivations to Molly. Also John found out about Yasumoto. I'm not sure why John doesn't remember Yasumoto's wife. I look forward to discussing this episode with you. I have a really good memory and if there are things I forgot I just look at recaps.

So Yasumoto's like crazy old and would essentially have died a long time ago if not for that substance he found leaking from a meteorite and he figured out the source of that meteorite and that's why he funded the ISEA's projects - to get them to go to that source and bring it back so he can continue to live...? And he figures Molly's baby is what the source itself or related to it? I mean, what's he going to do, drain something from it or kill it or what? How does he figure he's going to get what he wants from that alien baby (which didn't look like a baby when we saw its shadow walking away at the end there) when anyone who comes close to it is manipulated mentally and seems to wind up dead?

What in the heck was that thing Odin put in Ethan's back?! And why didn't Ethan mention to Julie at least that he went to sleep in the house while Odin was changing his power cartridges but then woke up in his dad's workshop space? I would think if he shared that it would send up red flags for Julie since there'd be no reason for Odin to be in there and why would Ethan go to sleep while his power was being changed unless they were both completely removed and there would be no need for that to happen...

So... Katie's alive? Or was that French ship and Katie both figments of the mind of the astronaut up in the Seraphim and actually those alien spores? Or just Katie maybe? Or is she actually alive and well and pregnant just like Molly was... either way, I can't help but think the code Molly gave up while under that trance had something to do with that happening...

I'm wondering what Yasumoto wants with the baby too. Maybe he thinks that the baby is a source of the yellow compound they enables him to survive? No it didn't look from like a baby when we saw its shadow walking away! It goes to show that the baby will do whatever it needs to do to survive. Maybe the human half wants Molly because he misses his mother. The alien half wants her because Molly can be easily manipulated.

I think it was some type of explosive that Odin put in Ethan's back. I'm not sure why Ethan didn't mention to Julie about going to sleep in the house and waking up in his Dad's workshop. Maybe Julie will figure out something doesn't add and will do a scan of Ethan detecting the device? Also Ethan may be able to detect himself and tell Julie about it.

I'm not sure if Katie's alive or not. The French Ship could be hallucinations caused by the alien spores. I agree the code Molly gave them has something to do with the appearance of Katie and the French Ship.

Okay, first off - I hope Julie rips Odin or whatever his real name is a new one now that she knows the truth about him - and hooray for her workmate guy who's name escapes me at the moment for noticing the amount of down time to Ethan's power core and telling her so they could put two and two together. I just wish she had told someone about what she learned about Odin just in case something should happen to her.

It's clear now that the thing he put in Ethan was a bomb - and the special "phone" he gave him was a detonator. He's sort of reprogrammed Ethan a bit (I just don't get why anyone was allowing Odin to spend so much alone time with him when no one knew Odin enough yet to just automatically feel comfortable with him "taking care" of Ethan like that), perfectly setting him up to get upset that someone might try to do something to him and think he's going to call Odin to come help him only for that bomb to go off and blow him and his surroundings to bits. I just wonder if Ethan will allow Julie to open him up to remove that bomb or if he will assume she's just on his dad's side...

As for Molly - first off, the kid's eyes creeped me out. But I'm glad she was able to "meet" him and confronted him about not wanting to see what he thought she wanted to see but rather just see him and get the truth from him about what was happening. I almost got the impression he kid does not want the others to come to Earth - the human part of him is perhaps rebelling against them, by telling Molly she needs to stop them because they are coming and they are all so hungry... and you had to know only Molly could be the one to go back into space to stop them.

For what it's worth - "mold spore" aliens seems a bit lame doesn't it?! Like a bit of a cop-out...

So... Katie was alive, sort of... but definitely not anymore. I had a feeling when she was overhearing the other guy (Glass was it?) posting a message that he hopes someone retrieves that they were going to have to use an escape pod and she was freaking out about it so he may have to sedate her, that she wasn't freaking out for the reason she was claiming. Like it had nothing to do with her having been in a medically induced coma in a pod for 23 months but rather because the spores inside her want that whole space station to come down to Earth and not just some escape pod. Still, how sick was it when he was doing a check of what they had and he found her body in where one of the suits should've been with her stomach like blown out and then he saw "her" closing him off from the rest of the station? Molly cannot get up there fast enough, eh?!

I wonder if next week's show is going to resolve the whole thing or if they'll leave Molly hanging up there without giving us any closure as to whether she stopped the alien spores or whether she's going to make it back in one piece herself...

I wish that Julie had told someone about what she found out about Odin. All she would have to do is show them his bio as well as that video of him being arrested for anti-technology protests.

The whole time Ethan was talking to Julie I was worried that he would push the detonator button! I don't understand why Julie trusted Odin so much with Ethan either. She really cares about Ethan and to leave him alone so long with Odin is the most responsible thing to do. Yes, if that bomb went off Ethan and everyone in the vicinity would be obliterated! Could they scan Ethan without opening him up, tell him about the bomb so he would allow them to open him up to remove it? Wouldn't Odin have another detonator in case Ethan doesn't end up pushing it himself?

Yes, the kid's eyes creeped me out too! His human side and his alien side are definitely at war with each other. I don't think that the kid wants the other aliens to come to earth because he's scared of them. Yes spores are kind of lame but it makes it much easier for them to take over someone.

Katie wasn't like the younger Katie hallucination that only Sparks could see. What I don't understand is why it did that to her body? Did it completely copy her body? Could seeing Katie's body with the whole in the stomach have been a hallucination? Yes Molly needs to get there soon!

I hope that next week shows resolves everything too! I'd hate for it to be cancelled without a resolution.

I can only assume Julie was merely thinking of getting to Ethan as soon as possible - plus when she did show up at John and Molly's house, John was in a trance and talking to himself and Molly was no where to be found but the glass was shattered on the back door - so once she got John to respond to her, his first thought was to find Molly and he basically taxed Julie with finding Ethan on her own. There wasn't much time in there for her to stop him and say "hey Odin's not who he says he is and I think he may have done something to Ethan to make him blow up the lab..."

Speaking of, does Julie realize Ethan himself is rigged up to explode or is she at this point just assuming Odin's plan was to get Ethan to turn on his father specifically within the lab to blow it up, but not necessarily have rigged Ethan up to be the bomb? Because aside from knowing Ethan was powered down for some 90 minutes or whatever for no apparent reason while in Odin's care, she has no other reason to assume Ethan has explosives within him... she just knows Ethan's been acting a bit off and then she saw the video Odin made where he got Ethan to openly defy his father's "rules" and then he suggests a human-like robot cannot be trusted and thus will be responsible for an explosion at the lab that has yet to happen... I would hope Ethan still at least trusts Julie enough that if she asks him if she can open him up because she fears Odin put something in him that isn't supposed to be there that he will be okay with that and not think Odin told him the truth that he would be shut down forever. I don't know if Odin's got another detonator... possibly he does, but how would he know when to push the button? I mean, if he was going to remote detonate it himself then surely he would have the last time Ethan was at the lab, when Ethan almost pushed the button himself.

I assume the hybrid kid's human side is aware of what his alien family's agenda is... which presumably is to "infect" humans to gain strength and grow and multiply and take over Earth possibly... Surely the alien part of him is the stronger side though, so how did the human side of him quell it long enough to tell Molly what the alien spores' plan is and that she has to stop them...?

The Katie hallucination presumably is what alien kid could conjure from the mind of Sparks to manipulate him - it seems everyone who seems someone usually sees someone who has died that they are longing to see again and thus can be easily manipulated to do whatever would be necessary not to lose them again. Sparks believed Katie was dead which could explain the vision... or perhaps she truly was dead and just "living" as a host of the spores. It's plausible what happened to Katie on the ship would've happened to Molly had her son not been removed from her. I don't think what Glass saw was a copy of Katie so much as a vision of Katie like what Sparks saw. I'm thinking while she was on her original ship and everyone on the ship got "infected" by the spores, she too was infected - hence when she sent her last transmission from the ship she said no one should attempt to rescue them and the circle pattern showed up on her stomach the way it did on Molly when she was pregnant. My guess is the alien spores took her over because she had no intention of trying to saver herself but yet she wound up in a medically induced coma in a rescue pod - so the alien spores stayed dormant in her body which is about the only way she could've been "alive" anyway - she was in that rescue pod for 23 months with no food, water, oxygen that we know of (certainly not enough to survive that long even if she wasn't in a coma). The other astronauts were just in awe of the miracle that she survived but no one thought about how it was she survived that long just floating in space? Anyway, I think chances are good she was "impregnated" by the spores the way Molly was and they stayed dormant in her body all that time keeping her just barely alive enough to be rescued and then with the fear their family would not get to Earth if Glass forces Katie into an escape pod, they emerged from her stomach and took control of the Seraphim. If you noticed, the previous episode when she was first rescued Glass was talking about there being a mold problem and the outside of the space station was practically covered in mold spores... so that's got to be the aliens and that's how they plan to get to Earth, take the whole thing down (I can't help but think that should the Seraphim return to Earth, the alien mold spores would just burn up during reentry, but surely the alien mold spores don't know that...)

You're right there was no time for Julie to tell John about Odin. Yes, Odin would have no idea when to push the button. I don't think that Julie knows that Ethan is rigged up with explosives. I'm not sure how Molly's child was able to quell the alien side of her to tell her the aliens invasion plans. Most of the time it seems the alien side wins out eventually. I completely agree about the Katie hallucination. Yes, you would think that the alien spores would burn up on reentry unless there's some type of shield for the ship.