Spouses of Sexual Addicts. Community Group
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Hi guys, I left this response to another person in another thread but Trina felt it would be important to share this with everybody. For more information on how our SA spouses and how our coping with them affects the next generation (our children) you can read it in John Bradshawâs book âFamily Secrets.â John Bradshaw is a fellow at the Meadows along with Patrick Carnes and the other gurus of SA. But here is the short version with my story as an example. Make note, there are many different ways we pass on the family legacy this is just one of them.
Typically the couple new in recovery first has to deal with do we stay or do we split up. For those of us who have chosen to stay often it is because of how we think a divorce will affect our children. But even if we choose to split up and be a single parent the next step is to heal thy self as regardless of staying or not the spouse has been dealt a traumatic blow. When we feel we are on stable enough ground after addressing our own trauma regardless of if we stay or not the next step then is to address the trauma to your children which will heal naturally for the most part given you both are in active recovery guided by a therapist, sponsor or counselor knowledgeable in sex addiction. But regardless of whether or not you stay together you must be aware of something, being the children of an addict in and of itself is traumatic not to mention it is partially in the genes. But not to scare you, children are very resilient and heal much more quickly than we do.
Let me explain, in a healthy family the parents are the front lines for modeling healthy relations so that the children can then go out into the world and develop healthy friendships, partnerships with mentors, authority figures and later build their own healthy families. When one parent is addicted and the other parent is trying to cope with the addictâs behavior there is a warped model. Typically one parent (usually the addict) is disconnected, aloof, not available. This causes feelings of abandonment in the child. The other parent copes by either turning her frustrations with the addict onto the children in various forms of abuse or going to the extreme in a more covert type of abuse almost looking like the opposite of what is considered in layman's terms abuse, and smothering the children with love and attention. This was me. I thought coming from a physically abusive home I would never do as my mother had done to me. So in my husband's absence I chose to be a "helicopter mom." This is such a hard fault to recognize as often the mother is praised for her supermom efforts to be all and do all for her child and at first I thought everyone was crazy for suggesting such a thing that I could be as they say "enmeshing" with my son. To further compound that the whole dysfunctional relationship is hard to see from the inside is the fact that we then surround ourselves with people who praise and condone our dysfunctions. But the evidence of the dysfunction was in my son's own relationships. On the surface they looked great. He had many friends, he was popular all the teacher's loved him. But behind the scene my son was always being disappointed and hurt. He had no idea how to say no. He gave away his toys, his lunch, his time and energy just to please everybody. He even began to give into things he knew was wrong just to please his friends and even when he wanted to say no he didn't know how. He was the "good and perfect child." (Logically, I secretly knew there was something wrong with this picture but was afraid to tell anyone and really enjoyed way too much that my son was so perfect.) What I didn't realise was my son, on a daily basis was sacrificing himself. He had no idea who he was or what he liked. I was raising the perfect co-dependant designed to please. Mom had always swept in to take care of all his battles. He was never shown how to say no. He was never told he was an individual. His future would either contain a life filled with heartbreak due to all the people who used him and abused him or he would go the other extreme and rebel with anger living in constant depression and contempt for all those who tried to get close to him. Then most likely resorting to an addiction to medicate the pain and make life just a bit more bearable. Whichever lifestyle he chose he would then choose the equal and opposite mate.
And so the dance goes on and he begets addicted/co-dependant children and they beget these children and so on and so on.
But in this damned if you do and damned if you donât story there is hope. As you begin to heal the pain of your trauma dealt to you with the discovery of your SA spouse, with help of those who have gone before you inevitably you will then want to avoid that which caused your pain in the first place so you will seek out new behavior that will result in finding and surrounding yourself with healthy functional people. This will serve as a model for your children. Like learning a second language they will soak it up and they will be the next generation that will have broken the chains of addiction and co-dependence (again, I hate the word but it is the shortest way to explain relational trauma). And they will carry your legacy and gift. In that way this addiction can become something good. I can't promise this will happen over night as some of our members can attest to. But whether you take steps that are so small you need an electron microscope to see or quantum leaps you will be better tomorrow than you were today and that's something to hold onto.
I hope this help for anyone ready for the next step in recovery or anyone who needs just one more reason to get out of a bad relationship with a SA who is not in recovery.
Lorilou
Typically the couple new in recovery first has to deal with do we stay or do we split up. For those of us who have chosen to stay often it is because of how we think a divorce will affect our children. But even if we choose to split up and be a single parent the next step is to heal thy self as regardless of staying or not the spouse has been dealt a traumatic blow. When we feel we are on stable enough ground after addressing our own trauma regardless of if we stay or not the next step then is to address the trauma to your children which will heal naturally for the most part given you both are in active recovery guided by a therapist, sponsor or counselor knowledgeable in sex addiction. But regardless of whether or not you stay together you must be aware of something, being the children of an addict in and of itself is traumatic not to mention it is partially in the genes. But not to scare you, children are very resilient and heal much more quickly than we do.
Let me explain, in a healthy family the parents are the front lines for modeling healthy relations so that the children can then go out into the world and develop healthy friendships, partnerships with mentors, authority figures and later build their own healthy families. When one parent is addicted and the other parent is trying to cope with the addictâs behavior there is a warped model. Typically one parent (usually the addict) is disconnected, aloof, not available. This causes feelings of abandonment in the child. The other parent copes by either turning her frustrations with the addict onto the children in various forms of abuse or going to the extreme in a more covert type of abuse almost looking like the opposite of what is considered in layman's terms abuse, and smothering the children with love and attention. This was me. I thought coming from a physically abusive home I would never do as my mother had done to me. So in my husband's absence I chose to be a "helicopter mom." This is such a hard fault to recognize as often the mother is praised for her supermom efforts to be all and do all for her child and at first I thought everyone was crazy for suggesting such a thing that I could be as they say "enmeshing" with my son. To further compound that the whole dysfunctional relationship is hard to see from the inside is the fact that we then surround ourselves with people who praise and condone our dysfunctions. But the evidence of the dysfunction was in my son's own relationships. On the surface they looked great. He had many friends, he was popular all the teacher's loved him. But behind the scene my son was always being disappointed and hurt. He had no idea how to say no. He gave away his toys, his lunch, his time and energy just to please everybody. He even began to give into things he knew was wrong just to please his friends and even when he wanted to say no he didn't know how. He was the "good and perfect child." (Logically, I secretly knew there was something wrong with this picture but was afraid to tell anyone and really enjoyed way too much that my son was so perfect.) What I didn't realise was my son, on a daily basis was sacrificing himself. He had no idea who he was or what he liked. I was raising the perfect co-dependant designed to please. Mom had always swept in to take care of all his battles. He was never shown how to say no. He was never told he was an individual. His future would either contain a life filled with heartbreak due to all the people who used him and abused him or he would go the other extreme and rebel with anger living in constant depression and contempt for all those who tried to get close to him. Then most likely resorting to an addiction to medicate the pain and make life just a bit more bearable. Whichever lifestyle he chose he would then choose the equal and opposite mate.
And so the dance goes on and he begets addicted/co-dependant children and they beget these children and so on and so on.
But in this damned if you do and damned if you donât story there is hope. As you begin to heal the pain of your trauma dealt to you with the discovery of your SA spouse, with help of those who have gone before you inevitably you will then want to avoid that which caused your pain in the first place so you will seek out new behavior that will result in finding and surrounding yourself with healthy functional people. This will serve as a model for your children. Like learning a second language they will soak it up and they will be the next generation that will have broken the chains of addiction and co-dependence (again, I hate the word but it is the shortest way to explain relational trauma). And they will carry your legacy and gift. In that way this addiction can become something good. I can't promise this will happen over night as some of our members can attest to. But whether you take steps that are so small you need an electron microscope to see or quantum leaps you will be better tomorrow than you were today and that's something to hold onto.
I hope this help for anyone ready for the next step in recovery or anyone who needs just one more reason to get out of a bad relationship with a SA who is not in recovery.
Lorilou
1 - I love you unconditionally. I will always love you, no matter what.
2 - I love you for who you are, not the things you will someday do or not do.
3- I want you to find what it is in life that make you happy. I cannot find that for you, but I will do anything I can to help you get there, and support you through wherever life takes you.
4 - Life is hard. You are going to stumble and fall. You are going to get hurt, by things and by people. Sometimes it will be hard to get up, but know you can always pick yourself up. And I will always be there to help you get up.
5 - Believe in yourself, for who you are.
6 - You are going to make mistakes. Never be upset for making them, just learn from them.
7 - Never be too afraid or too proud to ask for help. Never feel like you have to take on life alone. It is ok to turn to your family and friends when you need them.
8 - Find at least one friend you can trust with your life. Someday, they will help get you through hard times.
9 - Treat people with respect. Always know that whoever you are dealing with is a person too, with a life and a story you do not know. You cannot know their struggles. Never judge people too harshly.
10- Find someone to share your life with that you can be yourself with. Never change who you are for another person. Let them love you for the person you are, not the things you do, or the things you own, or how you look.
But he says things like "how come I can never cry?" and "it is so embarrasing to be happy and excited about something so i try not to be" (he doesn't like to jump up and down with excitement like little kids). Like him, I'm concerned that he can't cry, but at least he is able to notice he can't and talk about it.
Sounds like you have the idea of what affirmations are all about. These are wonderful to go over with children just like you are doing. We do this too but in addition we have picked on affirmation in particular to focus on our 9 year old son that he says each night just to simplify for his age.
What great insight.
Lorilou
Don't know why but this is the third attempt to rewrite this after its been erased. So it is getting briefer each time. I'll boil it down to essentials.
Your 9 year old is a normal boy trying to cope with life in an addicted family. Unfortunately if your h is not in recovery he does not have a male to model what a functional male looks like unless you can find a mentor, coach, teacher, relative etc. The good news is he has you. As you heal he will at least have half of what the picture is supposed to look like. If you can find a family counselor for you and him this would be great.
It sounds like he is already showing signs of maturing too fast. To get him back in touch with his emotions the flip chart I mentioned earlier would be a great help. Also Claudia Black's "Stamp Game." She is another fellow at the Meadows in Arizona. Have him tell you "NO" at least 3 times a day. Even if you don't agree with him, acknowledge his feelings, praise his effort and encourage him to share why he chose this topic to say no to....At first this will seem quite awkward to him so you might have to help him come up with topics to say no to even if he isn't totally against it.
You will be amazed at what this reveals within the next couple of months.
Good luck,
Lorilou
My h isn't in recovery. He seems to be doing everything he can (within his abilities) to be a good husband, father, provider, and stay sober...without getting into recovery or admitting the problem. He seems to be hanging in there for the moment, but I'm certain the cards are going to fall again soon. It may be three weeks, three months or a year...not if but when. I'll try the flip chart and "no" game. They would probably be good for me too! Thanks for your reply,
Em
Sounds like your father is a wise man. And you are lucky that you have him available to model to your son. It is a good thing your h is not overtly acting out in front of your son. But it would be better if there were no addiction, period. The issues that caused your h to "act out" in the first place are still there. It may be through the love of his children that he will have to hit rock bottom. But who knows where or what his rock bottom is. Chances are he can go into a sexual anorexic stage for quite some-time denying himself and you intimacy. Unfortunately, since the core issues haven't been dealt with, like you said this is a ticking time bomb and you just have to allow the cards to drop where they will.
I hope in the mean time you find recovery for yourself and model this for your son. Even though you don't have power over your h, you do have power over yourself. You can heal and this will give your precious son a more positive future, especially with your dad involved.
Take care,
Lorilou
Can't say I would do any different if I knew my husband was harming my son intentionally. But I would first exhaust all my options and make sure I would do all my research to make sure there were no judges or attorneys sympathetic to my cause. I would also be sure I wasn't overreacting. I remember when I first found out about my hs SA. I just naturally assumed all sex addicts were perverts and if he visited prostitues and looked at porn that must also mean he would molest little children or do inappropriate things around my son. Well after over 20 months of therapy, reading numerous books and research along with a Polygraph every 3 to 6 months I know now that I was completely out of whack as to what my ideas of a sex addict were. Sex addiction is broken down into 3 categories.
I'm going off the top of my head here so bear with me.
A category 1 addict would be someone who does one or more of the following. Views porn, masturbates compulsively, solicits prostitutes, affairs, massage parlors, video stores etc.
A category 2 offender would be voyeurism, exposure, masturbating in public, touching inappropriately other people, etc.
A category 3 would be pedophilia, rape, incest etc.
From what I understand most SAs fall into the category 1 as an addict. Basically they are offending only themselves and are involved only with consenting adults.
I believe it would be far more harmful to run away from a category one offender, even a category 2 if he was involved only with adults. Typically, while addiction does escalate, rarely does it cross over to children if he is attracted to adults. And from what I understand most addicts are very secretive about how they practice their addiction. So getting caught by you child would not be reasonable to think unless he is trying to get caught. I believe running away would be extremely harmful to the child as you would always live hiding out from the law, the child couldn't participate in normal childhood activities like attend school, sports, travel by plane or leave the country. You would be estranged from friend and family which is so important in any catastrophe or stress. Each time you feel you would have the opportunity to settle down you would have to uproot your child and move again. HOw would you make money and provide for you both while on the run? What if you get caught and then hauled off to jail, then what happens to your child? Does your husband then get full custody? Your child is better off with a full-time mother and a SA father part-time than no mother and a full-time SA father.
I know this is a hard decision but I hope you can think this through rather than doing something on impulse.
Take care,
Lorilou
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