Spouses of Sexual Addicts. Community Group
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Hi guys, I left this response to another person in another thread but Trina felt it would be important to share this with everybody. For more information on how our SA spouses and how our coping with them affects the next generation (our children) you can read it in John Bradshawâs book âFamily Secrets.â John Bradshaw is a fellow at the Meadows along with Patrick Carnes and the other gurus of SA. But here is the short version with my story as an example. Make note, there are many different ways we pass on the family legacy this is just one of them.
Typically the couple new in recovery first has to deal with do we stay or do we split up. For those of us who have chosen to stay often it is because of how we think a divorce will affect our children. But even if we choose to split up and be a single parent the next step is to heal thy self as regardless of staying or not the spouse has been dealt a traumatic blow. When we feel we are on stable enough ground after addressing our own trauma regardless of if we stay or not the next step then is to address the trauma to your children which will heal naturally for the most part given you both are in active recovery guided by a therapist, sponsor or counselor knowledgeable in sex addiction. But regardless of whether or not you stay together you must be aware of something, being the children of an addict in and of itself is traumatic not to mention it is partially in the genes. But not to scare you, children are very resilient and heal much more quickly than we do.
Let me explain, in a healthy family the parents are the front lines for modeling healthy relations so that the children can then go out into the world and develop healthy friendships, partnerships with mentors, authority figures and later build their own healthy families. When one parent is addicted and the other parent is trying to cope with the addictâs behavior there is a warped model. Typically one parent (usually the addict) is disconnected, aloof, not available. This causes feelings of abandonment in the child. The other parent copes by either turning her frustrations with the addict onto the children in various forms of abuse or going to the extreme in a more covert type of abuse almost looking like the opposite of what is considered in layman's terms abuse, and smothering the children with love and attention. This was me. I thought coming from a physically abusive home I would never do as my mother had done to me. So in my husband's absence I chose to be a "helicopter mom." This is such a hard fault to recognize as often the mother is praised for her supermom efforts to be all and do all for her child and at first I thought everyone was crazy for suggesting such a thing that I could be as they say "enmeshing" with my son. To further compound that the whole dysfunctional relationship is hard to see from the inside is the fact that we then surround ourselves with people who praise and condone our dysfunctions. But the evidence of the dysfunction was in my son's own relationships. On the surface they looked great. He had many friends, he was popular all the teacher's loved him. But behind the scene my son was always being disappointed and hurt. He had no idea how to say no. He gave away his toys, his lunch, his time and energy just to please everybody. He even began to give into things he knew was wrong just to please his friends and even when he wanted to say no he didn't know how. He was the "good and perfect child." (Logically, I secretly knew there was something wrong with this picture but was afraid to tell anyone and really enjoyed way too much that my son was so perfect.) What I didn't realise was my son, on a daily basis was sacrificing himself. He had no idea who he was or what he liked. I was raising the perfect co-dependant designed to please. Mom had always swept in to take care of all his battles. He was never shown how to say no. He was never told he was an individual. His future would either contain a life filled with heartbreak due to all the people who used him and abused him or he would go the other extreme and rebel with anger living in constant depression and contempt for all those who tried to get close to him. Then most likely resorting to an addiction to medicate the pain and make life just a bit more bearable. Whichever lifestyle he chose he would then choose the equal and opposite mate.
And so the dance goes on and he begets addicted/co-dependant children and they beget these children and so on and so on.
But in this damned if you do and damned if you donât story there is hope. As you begin to heal the pain of your trauma dealt to you with the discovery of your SA spouse, with help of those who have gone before you inevitably you will then want to avoid that which caused your pain in the first place so you will seek out new behavior that will result in finding and surrounding yourself with healthy functional people. This will serve as a model for your children. Like learning a second language they will soak it up and they will be the next generation that will have broken the chains of addiction and co-dependence (again, I hate the word but it is the shortest way to explain relational trauma). And they will carry your legacy and gift. In that way this addiction can become something good. I can't promise this will happen over night as some of our members can attest to. But whether you take steps that are so small you need an electron microscope to see or quantum leaps you will be better tomorrow than you were today and that's something to hold onto.
I hope this help for anyone ready for the next step in recovery or anyone who needs just one more reason to get out of a bad relationship with a SA who is not in recovery.
Lorilou
Typically the couple new in recovery first has to deal with do we stay or do we split up. For those of us who have chosen to stay often it is because of how we think a divorce will affect our children. But even if we choose to split up and be a single parent the next step is to heal thy self as regardless of staying or not the spouse has been dealt a traumatic blow. When we feel we are on stable enough ground after addressing our own trauma regardless of if we stay or not the next step then is to address the trauma to your children which will heal naturally for the most part given you both are in active recovery guided by a therapist, sponsor or counselor knowledgeable in sex addiction. But regardless of whether or not you stay together you must be aware of something, being the children of an addict in and of itself is traumatic not to mention it is partially in the genes. But not to scare you, children are very resilient and heal much more quickly than we do.
Let me explain, in a healthy family the parents are the front lines for modeling healthy relations so that the children can then go out into the world and develop healthy friendships, partnerships with mentors, authority figures and later build their own healthy families. When one parent is addicted and the other parent is trying to cope with the addictâs behavior there is a warped model. Typically one parent (usually the addict) is disconnected, aloof, not available. This causes feelings of abandonment in the child. The other parent copes by either turning her frustrations with the addict onto the children in various forms of abuse or going to the extreme in a more covert type of abuse almost looking like the opposite of what is considered in layman's terms abuse, and smothering the children with love and attention. This was me. I thought coming from a physically abusive home I would never do as my mother had done to me. So in my husband's absence I chose to be a "helicopter mom." This is such a hard fault to recognize as often the mother is praised for her supermom efforts to be all and do all for her child and at first I thought everyone was crazy for suggesting such a thing that I could be as they say "enmeshing" with my son. To further compound that the whole dysfunctional relationship is hard to see from the inside is the fact that we then surround ourselves with people who praise and condone our dysfunctions. But the evidence of the dysfunction was in my son's own relationships. On the surface they looked great. He had many friends, he was popular all the teacher's loved him. But behind the scene my son was always being disappointed and hurt. He had no idea how to say no. He gave away his toys, his lunch, his time and energy just to please everybody. He even began to give into things he knew was wrong just to please his friends and even when he wanted to say no he didn't know how. He was the "good and perfect child." (Logically, I secretly knew there was something wrong with this picture but was afraid to tell anyone and really enjoyed way too much that my son was so perfect.) What I didn't realise was my son, on a daily basis was sacrificing himself. He had no idea who he was or what he liked. I was raising the perfect co-dependant designed to please. Mom had always swept in to take care of all his battles. He was never shown how to say no. He was never told he was an individual. His future would either contain a life filled with heartbreak due to all the people who used him and abused him or he would go the other extreme and rebel with anger living in constant depression and contempt for all those who tried to get close to him. Then most likely resorting to an addiction to medicate the pain and make life just a bit more bearable. Whichever lifestyle he chose he would then choose the equal and opposite mate.
And so the dance goes on and he begets addicted/co-dependant children and they beget these children and so on and so on.
But in this damned if you do and damned if you donât story there is hope. As you begin to heal the pain of your trauma dealt to you with the discovery of your SA spouse, with help of those who have gone before you inevitably you will then want to avoid that which caused your pain in the first place so you will seek out new behavior that will result in finding and surrounding yourself with healthy functional people. This will serve as a model for your children. Like learning a second language they will soak it up and they will be the next generation that will have broken the chains of addiction and co-dependence (again, I hate the word but it is the shortest way to explain relational trauma). And they will carry your legacy and gift. In that way this addiction can become something good. I can't promise this will happen over night as some of our members can attest to. But whether you take steps that are so small you need an electron microscope to see or quantum leaps you will be better tomorrow than you were today and that's something to hold onto.
I hope this help for anyone ready for the next step in recovery or anyone who needs just one more reason to get out of a bad relationship with a SA who is not in recovery.
Lorilou
Our daughter caught a lot of problems. Too late for me to amend anything as she is a young adult living on her own. But, those who do have young children really need some counseling, if they can find good counseling, regarding what is "healthy" and appropriate. There is sooo much conflict even in the psych arena about a lot of this that it's confusing at best. I'm still not sure what healthy sexuality looks like. I could stand to read something on that subject alone. I've waited until I feel that I am ready to discuss that at all. The mere word sexuality makes me cringe sometimes.
I hope my daughter knows that, she is a psych major and that helps her I know. I do hate that she was exposed to so much sexual perversion in her life. That exposure came in many ways. The dad who was distant on certain issues...not all; the mom who was lonely with reserved emotional interaction, the cousins who tried to molest her, the society that instructs young girls about their worth, especially on the physical aspects, and boyfriends well on their way to SA. Ahhhh, our society is in huge trouble. I feel so sorry for the young women here who are faced with it's side affects. And, I feel sorry for the children born to this heyday.
I wish I had known how insidious this really is. I had truly began to think that I was abnormal in refusing porn and lust. I know for sure that is not a bad thing...to refuse that. I was right all along. It just isn't healthy for anyone. Examining my thoughts and feelings on that subject matter, reading lots of info from both arenas, and talking with others about their views and feelings on this subject matter has been very beneficial.
Thank you for bringing this particular part of the SA issue up. If you have any concrete ideas on how to address that part of it, please do present it.
Somehow I missed all the responses to this earlier. So sorry! I'll answer them backwards.
Momto, thanks for bringing this up again. Now that is REALLY scary. Sometimes I like to be in the "one-up" position and think it would be my hs fault if my son had turned out to be a SA, even though logically I know it takes two parents to create a SA/SO. One abandoning the other enmeshing or both abandoning or enmeshing. If one or both is healthy the odds of that child becoming SA/SO drop drastically.
I think there is a real silver lining with you and your h from what you've already written about the steps ya'll have taken to beat this addiction. Right now your children are experiencing natural fear and feelings of abandonment no matter how good you are at hiding what is going on. so I'll share with you what our therapists told us and we have found to be helpful....
1) Be honest, but age appropriate. If I remember correctly you said one is 2 and the other is still a baby. At this age they can't possibly know the gravity of the situation but this is an important age to establish stability and trust. This is the perfect opportunity to explain if they see you frustrated or angry your feelings, simply as they are when they seem to notice. ex... "I'm sorry honey, mommy is not angry at you mommy has just had a bad day." Or if they find you crying..."Yes, mommy is sad, but not about you, and sometimes when we feel sad we just need to get the sadness out so we can be happy again." Also, our son wanted to know why we had to leave for the weekends so often so we told him that we were learning to be happy again...also reassuring him that we were not unhappy with anything he had done but that we just wanted to be better parents to him so this was important for us to do." (Eventually when both of our sons are old enough we will tell them about everything so that they will be informed of the risks that travel in our family genes.)
2) This is also the perfect opportunity to learn what goes on inside your 2 year old's head by teaching him how to express his emotions. Something we SOs and SAs are not real good at. First we got a flip chart with about a dozen, exaggerated faces expressing emotions such as anger, sadness, joy, fear & shame...for a 2 year old it could be much simpler or if you can't find something like this you could always make one. Anyway, each day we would make a game of going through the emotions chart to let the family know what we felt throughout the day. The reason this is important is because often children find it hard to express emotions, especially if is something more complex like hysterical or confused, not to mention when parents model that it is not OK to feel certain emotions such as sadness or anger children learn not to express them. These are the beginning stages of nurturing an addiction or codependance into a child.
So obviously, with daddy no longer living in the house the stability is a bit out of whack but necessary. Unfortunately, you can't shelter them from all but I think the best way I described this to my 9 year old son and I think a two year old could understand this was "Daddy is in a time-out." "Daddy was acting in an unloving way to mommy. He is very sorry about it but he needs to be in time-out until he comes up with a way to plan to act in a more loving way." Tell your h what you are doing so he won't unravel the explaination. Before I gave my son an explaination he thought something horrible had happened like someone had died or the world was at war or someone had gotten in a terrible car crash. Once I explained this to him he actually laughed at the funny idea that daddy was actually in time out. Now I have to tell you it was truly God inspired that this explaination came to mind as I had been crying all day long and after picking my son up from school still hadn't thought of how I would tell my son that his father wouldn't be coming home till he had solved his problem with anger (this was a new issue once the SA was resolved). After learning to deal with the sex addiction it is still hard not to think fatalistically when we hit a bump in the road even as well as things are going now. So I prayed and all I could come up with was Lord help me come up with an explaination fo my son that won't damage him for life. Well my h did solve the problem after talking to his group and scheduling several sessions with his and our therapist.
But needless to say I believe our oldest son is a much healthy individual. I sets his boundaries with friends and adults. He expresses not only his positive emotions but the negative as well in a healthy manor. And he is quite insightful.
Lorilou
I hope you are still here. So sorry I missed you. Well I do believe my son developed a mild anxiety disorder during the first six months of our recovery. It was during this time that we started to come out of our sickness and came to see that not only was our son becoming the "poster-child" for Pia Melody's "good and perfect" child who inevitably becomes the perfect co-dependant/mart er or swings in the opposite direction hating his mother, craving attention from his father and becoming an addict but were relieved when he started acting out as our therapist predicted. Only it was in a passive aggressive way. His grades dropped, he started forgetting everything under the sun, he would have melt downs at the end of the day becoming inconsolable...much like a two year old...since he wasn't allowed to go through the terrible twos when I was the perfect, helicopter mom who had to have the perfect child. Naturally, this was frightening to parents who were not used to so much as a no thank you from our perfect, little codependent saint. So we had him evaluated and he was diagnosed with mild anxiety and ADD. (some believe ADD is a symptom of trauma). This took another several months to work out the medication and such all contributing to his mood swings, anger and depression which may have been a good thing now that it was safe for him to express these emotions and learn that it was OK to express these emotions. Well that was a scary period also. But I can say now for the last 11 months or so that he acts like a normal 9 year old is expected. But during this time we have all learned a lot about each other. Our son has learned to set his boundaries with others who may try to take advantage of him, even go so far as to express his needs and wants to teachers who used to intimidate him. He has learned to be a very good judge of character and seems to have good instincts for bad situations or people. He has learned to trust us and tell us when other kids or adults are being inappropriate. He has learned to articulate what he wants and needs from us without being disrespectful yet displaying the spontaneity that is age appropriate.
I have to say I am quite proud of him. As as for our 1 year old, I believe the only trauma he experienced was the unfortunate time of being trapped in my body during the 5th month of pregnancy when I found out about my hs infidelity. It does scare me that this could have possibly effected him. But now when I look at his happy face and at 15 months he is already showing signs of rebelliousness which is age appropriate I am at ease.
Thank you for asking,
Lorilou
Sorry I am just know getting this. But I am so glad you shared some about your daughter. I had always wondered about her. In my humble opinion I think it is a good sign that her main interest is psychology. Obviously she got your good genes for wanting to solve problems. I think you can be proud of the fact that somehow you instilled in her that she had the power to find the answers psychologically to her family issues and in doing this she might be able to help others out of their pain. Why else would she be driven to study psychology.
I hope you are sharing your knowledge and success so far with her.
Lorilou
"...he would go the other extreme and rebel with anger living in constant depression and contempt for all those who tried to get close to him. Then most likely resorting to an addiction to medicate the pain and make life just a bit more bearable. Whichever lifestyle he chose he would then choose the equal and opposite mate."
This was my husband for the longest time. You described in your post the relationship of my husband and his mother in a lot of ways. He just got a really good book called "Peace at Any Price." He has it with him right now, so I can't give you the author's name, but it has really helped him tap into the fact that he really sacrificed himself in keeping up with everyone's expectations, and became really bitter on the inside. The addiction was a way to rebel, and it became a thrill to him. He would shut out the people that loved him the most, and we would just have a surface relationship. He assumed, because he didn't know any differently, that I couldn't really love him for who he was, because that is all he knew.
It's interesting that this topic has come up a few times for me today. It must be something I needed to hear again. Thank you for posting this information. You are so valuable to this group!
It sure is scary how these things perpetuate, though, isn't it? In my family, it has been going on for generations-usually with one abandoning parent and one enmeshing. In my husband's it has been two abandoning parents-once again for generations. I am the first in my family to try to make a change in the pattern. Hopefully it isn't too late for my children to have better lives.
This has been an eye opener for me also. I am a classic supermum, or now i know it as a helicopter mum (whoops MOM as you guys call it....lol) I am not a person who likes to dwell on the negatives or bad energy, so through the bad years of my marriage, the lonliness, the emotional disconnect form h....well in channelled all my energy into my kids instead. Yes the best of intentions, but yes making up for the emotional absence of my h.
Up until now i really thought i have done this really great job, all our struggles have been kept from them, they have lived normal. But infact our family model was warped. The result;
My 15 year old son is bright, has many many friends, but none close. He is personable but doesn't share his emotions, unless pushed (much like h) All his energies are focused on sport.
My 13 year old daughter is the good and perfect child, who does everything to please, she is always there for everyone else, even at a sacrifice to herself at times....behaviour that she most likely has learnt from me, in hindsight...i am always there for others.
My 11 year old daughter has just been diagnosed with dyslexia, feels insecure, has low self esteem, and we have problems her self loathing, and has burst of anger. She struggles to make friends and with dealing with her emotions. The 13 year old constantly mothers her, and the 11 year old will treat her disrespectfully. It is becoming a real problem.
I have been working on them all talking more about their feelings. When they come home from school, instead of the usual "How was your day?" and the usual 'good' or a 'grunt'. I now ask these questions, Did something make you laugh, or sad, or cross today? I'm just trying to help them express their emotions more (and get some decent info from them, other than grunting...lol)
I am aware of these issues, but never aligned it with h's addiction until now really....this is something I am going to have to work on with them.
Now if i could just get h to share his emotions more....UH!!!!
Thanks Lorilou for this insight :)
I would love to hear all of your success stories, what has worked, signs of recovery in your children if you see them etc. This would give me hope and I want to soak up anything I can to be the not-so-perfect-mom I should be.
I guess in a way making children is like making a fine piece of art. Often when a seasoned artists looks at a well-trained, young artist's painting he will notice how flawless the work is. But the piece does not gain character or interest until the young, budding painter learned how to leave a mistake or two in the painting.
Now I have learned it is OK to tell my son "I don't know." or "I am sorry" or "I was wrong." Once in a while Sober and I just sit down and have a good heart to heart with him and let him vent about how we used to yell at him and force him to perform...homework, sports, behavior, etc. and we ask him to express how angry, sad or fearful he was of us. At first this was real scary. I thought 'My Lord, he will use this against us for the rest of his life.' But in fact, he seldom even wants to think about those things any more and instead gets board with those conversations. I am so proud of how insightful and mature he has become though. There are times he will say "Well mom you were just angry because of how your mom used to treat you." I look at him in those moments and think my goodness, my 9 year old son is psychoanalyzing me." LOL
Have a happy Thanksgiving guys,
Lorilou
I am so sorry for you and your littlest angel. But I do know you are looking for answers and I pray you will find them. You are so right about his knowing. I never knew of my hs addiction let alone my son's knowledge. But as I've said before, the addict and the SO have certain, inherent, dysfunctional characteristics that are obvious. Enmeshing vs. Avoidance. These characteristics are traumatizing to any developing being.
Lorilou