Rheumatoid Arthritis Support Group
Rheumatoid arthritis is a chronic, inflammatory, multisystem, autoimmune disorder. It is a disabling and painful condition which can lead to substantial loss of mobility due to pain and joint destruction. The disease is also systemic in that it often also affects many extra-articular tissues throughout the body including the skin, blood vessels, heart, lungs, and...

When I initially saw my rheumatologist, she told me that my bloodwork did not clearly indicate RA vs. psoriatic arthritis; she was leaning towards RA at the time but not certain. At today's visit, I saw that my chart now says PsA, and asked why it had been changed from 'non-specific inflammatory arthritis' to PsA. Her answer was that she felt this was more accurate given the specific joints that are affected on my body. I have no skin involvement at all. I saw my dermatologist recently and had a full body check, so I'm comfortable that I'm not missing anything there.
My doctor told me that the treatment depends on symptoms and the efficacy of the drugs we've tried, and the diagnosis really only matters because it may help with the insurance company if it is more specific; her experience has been that they sometimes raise questions about prescriptions if she calls it 'non-specific'. Since it is not affecting my skin and there's no need for topical treatments, it sounds like the protocol is the same as it would be if I officially had RA.
I'm interested in thoughts from anyone who has psoriatric arthritis with no skin symptoms. Is there any difference when you get right down to it? I don't mean from a clinical point of view - I mean on a day to day basis. We're still talking chronic condition with flares, still talking about movable-target symptoms, still talking about potential organ involvement, right? Also, my understanding is that a certain percentage of people who present with psoriasis eventuially develop PsA. Is the reverse true? Am I likely to see skin patches developing at some point? ('Cause, shit, I really don't need another thing, you know?) In other words, I've gotten my head around the idea that I had RA. Do I need to adjust headspace to reflect it being PsA instead?
We're increasing the mtx dosage and switching to injections. Since I have only had two injections of Humira due to her office staff screwing up and delaying the prescription by nearly three months (for which I received a heartfelt apology, and I learned that the staff member in question has been dismissed since something similar happened to at least two more patients as well) it's too soon to tell if it's effective or not. I'm continuing Celebrex for inflammation and Tramadol for pain, folic acid to buffer side effects from the mtx, and vitamin D because bloodwork showed a deficiency. So the only change today is the increase in the mtx and doing it as an injection.
I'll go back in two months instead of three, and if the Humira / mtx combination isn't working by that point, we will switch to something else.
I'm happy with today's appointment for several reasons. She took me seriously when I began the appointment by saying calmly that I have had increased symptoms and I wanted to leave her office with a plan in place for changing the course. I am not always good at speaking up; I'm much more likely to downplay symptoms, but this RA or PsA or whatever has taught me otherwise, and i did a good job of speaking up today. My hips hurt, my shoulders hurt, my hands hurt, and I'm so tired all the time. I told her that I had a fairly long list of symptoms that may or may not be related to arthritis, and she listened to the whole list and discussed each one. I'm sorry that the woman who was so difficult to deal with on her staff has lost her job, that's not a casual thing, but since it sounds like she caused problems for others besides me, I'm not losing sleep over it.
So that's where I am, friends. I'm not on the upswing yet, but I do feel that our communication is good, and that there is a plan, and that goes a long way right now. And on a totally unrelated note, I have a four day old lamb following me everywhere on the farm since I'm bottlefeeding her and she thinks I'm her mama, and it's kind of awesome. I mean, right now she's asleep on the back porch ont he boot pile, waiting for me to come back out. And the sun is shining. Just thought I'd mention that. Life is more than arthritis.
My rheum and I have had this discussion since he thinks some of my joints may suggest PsA. He asks me every time I see him if I have any rash at all. It doesn't change the treatment concepts from what I understand, be he led me to believe a different biologic may work better and he would change me if I had any rash that turned out to be Ps per a dermatologist.
The only real difference is the joints involved and the rash (for most but not all).
They can both have joint destruction and non-joint complications.
you are an awesome self advocate. keep it up :)
depot
I have been Dx'd with PsA, the doctor suspected RA, because of all the Synovial inflammation.
What other joints are effected? Spine? Feet? Have you got imaging of effected joints, like MRI or Ultrasound? That is the best way to tell if you have PsA, by the way it is effecting the joint, it is a little different then RA in that respect, also the location, If it is in SIJ and possibly cervical it could be PsA rather then RA. You could also have overlap of a couple of diseases, I have also have a Dx of Fibromyalgia, which keeps getting changed to Lupus then back to fibro...
You don't have to have the skin rash to have PsA, some people have no skin involvement, others may get it later.
Good Luck!
So now in retrospect, I wonder this: how long could the PsA / RA have been lurking in my body and causing occasional flareups before I discovered it? A swollen DIP joint is what led to the diagnosis. And at the time, I actually felt pretty good. I've always felt good, my whole life, until the last few months.
I do agree with my doctor when she says that every single patient is different and there's somewhat of a spectrum here and the specific label isn't necessarily hugely important. But I really wonder how much of my adult life's aches and pains may have been attributable to an autoimmune disease. Thoughts?
I have taken enbrel, humira, orencia infusion, orencia injection, actemra, and now I am back on enbrel. I can not take rituxan or remicaide (due to lung issues they are both a rule out says the pulmonologist and rheumatologist). all that is left is simponi, and xeljanj (spelling sorry).
I also have taken ALL the dmards: plaquenil, sulfasazline, lefunomide (spelling sorry) methotrexate, oh wait a minute I refused imuran.
my rheumatologist talks about treat to target. well i have been on a huge chunk of the entire treating thing. does it matter if the target keeps moving?
I am sero positive for RA.
i am in a wicked pissy mood about my neck moving upwards.
Katie - you made me laugh this morning. yeah my best friend can not pronounce the anky thing so she says AS.
I should just say I have an auto immune condition and you really don't want to be this bored when folks ask me. which lately since I am back in a soft collar they do.
Katie, I was brought to a juvenile arthritis physician at a big teaching hospital at age 10. I was not sero positive, then, and I did not get any treatment. so between age 10 and age 40 ish when diagnosed I free fell. I considered the way I "felt" in my body to be normal and because my birth family were such sadists ("shut up and get moving - move quicker harder faster") kind of deal I did not actually get diagnosis until I turned to a pillar of salt after 40 and my joints refused to move at all without breaking (broke a wrist bone from doing nothing). From there the MRI's and the sero positive got me the help that being age 10 did not get me. I don't think my mother did me wrong I think they did not treat sero negative RA in the 1970's.
I hope this has not bored you. I am having coffee and whining about how crappy my neck feels.
hugs -
depot
I had running related issues years ago before my first RA symptoms, cervical spine degenerative changes causing some nerve issues in one hand, carpal tunnel issues which resolved with proper computer keyboard use, and what I thought was probably Mortons neuroma. I have also wondered if any of these issues (mainly the MN since the other problems had specific related causes) were precursors of RA. Maybe so, maybe not. My current frustration is a recent injury to my foot and ankle which has limited my walking more than anything.
When I learned to be a musician I studied other musicians. When I learned to be a farmer I studied other farmers. Now I have to learn how to be a person with an autoimmune disease, so, it makes sense to study people who are ahead of me on the journey. In all three cases, I'm learning how to find and assess options, I'm learning how to persevere, I'm learning how to move forward with grace and balance.
I can't imagine being on this path without support any more than I could have become a mother all those years ago without the gentle support of other women.
I guess it doesn't matter if my lifetime of ouchies was a precursor to the Ra/PsA or not, but in a weird way I feel vindicated. I'm not clumsy/whiny/injury prone - I have a Thing.
Did the first injection of MTX this morning and it went well, other than there was a very large and hairy dog was pretty sure this fascinating process was going to involve a treat for him. Next Sunday, I'll do it in another room.....or just grab a Milkbone before I start. This will sound goofy but as with the Humira injection and the assorted morning pills, I tried to make the whole process a mindful and positive one, reminding myself that this was a step towards - well, if not towards 'healing', exactly, then towards reaching my fullest potential. So, it included a cup of tea and positive thoughts, and maybe, next week, a Milkbone.
I have RA and PsA and AS. The HLA=B27 test may help your doctor determine if it is PsA or AS. But then, maybe not.
For those of us with PsA, many.....correct me if I'm wrong....about 20% like me do NOT have the skin involvement.
But then my rheumatologist looked at my nails and corrected me. Many peopl ewith PsA have ridges in their fingernails, as I sometimes do [it comes and goes]. But then, many autoimmune disease patients have finger nail ridges.
So at the end of the day......don't sweat it....the treatment is the same.
And BTW - I've been told that MTX is better for the limbs, but biologics are better for the spine. So a combination of MTX and a biologic should be good for whatever you have.
Hmmmm, can send a man to the moon but still can't accurately diagnose these diseases.
When I first got sick, and could not get a diagnosis, a friend of mine had PsA and she gave me the name of her rheumatologist. But by then, I was full throttled flares everywhere. So I got RA for my diagnosis.
But, one foot was affected dramatically more than the other foot, and yes, I have the psoriatic nails, which my insurance nurses said only happens in 5% of people without PsA. So lots of factors.
I will say, I had another friend intitally diagnosed with RA, which changed to PsA. She said they limited her on which biologic she could use, and she ran out of them. I have been on many more than she has, which is why a double diagnosis is probably a good thing, in light of treatment. Mind you, she is an American, I have no idea what the protocol is in Canada.
Well, I hope you can get this under control, regardless of which auto-immune disease you have. That's what it is all about!
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/expert-answers/nails/faq-20058541
I think it's more likely that you have had a metabolic or emotional crisis that PsA (in addition to RA). Check your vitamins, supplements, and metabolic panels and watch your nails grow. Have you noticed that you can actually see them change as they grow out? Just like grass. Feed, fertilize and flourish.
When you have a disease like RA, it's really easy to assimilate any other disease as part and parcel with your particular disease or the broard spectrum of auto-immune diseases, but the nail business is a bunch of BS. (me thinks)
The nail issues most associated with Ps are pitting of the nails or when the nail is separating from the nailbed.
Transient issues (trauma or infection) can cause changes but if these things persist, it may support Ps or PsA. I read something stating Nail pitting may be seen in around 50% of Ps but in 75-80% of PsA.
Here's the latest: I have swollen lymph nodes in my neck. This has been a low-grade thing for a long time.....and by a 'long time', I mean fairly consistent for two years. This precedes my RA/PsA diagnosis, actually. Checked thyroid, did the mono and Lyme tests, and then an ENT found and operated on a deviated septum. Things seemed better for a bit after that, but it has never really gone away. It fluctuates a little, but doesn't seem to be related to allergy seasons or anything like that. Everything I've just written happened under the care of my family doctor, and unless my rheumatologist noticed it in my records, which were forwarded to her, she was unaware of it until I mentioned it at my appointment last week. I have since had an ultrasound to confirm that the nodes are enlarged, and now she's sending me for a CAT scan.
Am I correct that this is something to file under the Nuisance category, and not in the Worry folder? Seems like if it were something aggressive or scary, it would have cause a more serious issue by this point. It looks like this could just be another autoimmune symptom? I always feel like I'm running a slight fever.
Now, the only way I can stand my nails is clipped short. Occasionally, I still paint them, because it reminds me of how they used to be smooth. But, even with all kinds of under/top coats, it always comes off so quickly it is hardly worth the effort of looking at them, letting alone doing it.
I guess we just need to talk to our doctors about this. I've never brought it up, but since my rheumatologist examines my finger joints, he probably has noticed, and not brought it up. Since nothing is going to change, I guess it is not really worth fussing about it.