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What do you think is the future of women's lives, feminism, and culture?
I didn't actively set out to "become" a feminist, as if it's some type of club or group to join to get points or impress my wife. In fact, I tried to find this weird balance between wishy-washy feminism on the one hand, and Maxim magazine on the other. But the further I go into this work, the longer I live, and the more I see, the harder my feminist line becomes. It's as if there's a whole other world that parallels mine, and yet most men never see it. I've entered a world that can't be forgotten; I've heard things and had things shared with me that I can't un-hear or give back, and it engenders a certain responsibility to DO something because of it.
It wasn't feminism that I was seeking, it was inspiration. I have felt so overwhelmed, so despairing, so SAD, at rape work in the past. Five hundred rape victims as patients can get to you...that's 500 stories of trauma in a matter of 10 years. And you're not just listening to them, you have to RESPOND to them, help resolve them! And here's the hard part: not every woman who has been raped is "ready" for recovery at that particular point in time, so sometimes you have to recognize that and see them continue on, after therapy, still suffering. Some of them even hate me, lash out at me, and even hold me personally responsible for their pain. This hurts me--I'm not a cold stone--but it's part of the work, too.
But I've noticed something amazing, too. When I've needed that inspiration to keep me adrift, it's almost always come from women. I have guy friends, of course, and there are times I need to set this whole part of my life and profession aside and have "guy time" and just hang out and do "guy things" (don't ask unless you really wanna know). Sometimes my wonderful wife senses this too, and blesses me with a bit of her attempts at "masculine" humor or "guy talk" with me.
I love my guy friends, but truthfully I'm seldom inspired by them. They're good guys, good dads, but you know what's missing? The sense of personal struggle. The sense of activism. The resistance to cultural disempowerment--"we're not gonna take it anymore!"--and the miracle of transcendent, existential thought. I DO see all of those things in a certain small group of women who have become "beloved survivors" to me. I'm curious about it, I'm drawn to it, and I'm even a little envious of it. I just don't know how to stay connected to it without becoming the "pestering outsider" trying to trespass on another community.
It's a natural process, then: I need to feel inspired, and I am drawn to what inspires me. And that source happens to be strong women. It's not that I think either men or women are superior, but sheesh, men just aren't trying very hard! We've never HAD to! There's no sense of desperate survival, of urgent seizure of power, of strength in spite of culture-wide adversity; we men get to take our power and happiness for granted, almost. We seldom have to penetrate through our surrounding culture and question it, because the culture BENEFITS us and we hardly even notice.
But women have activism built right into their survival. If God made this world from nothing, women often to have make theirs from even less.
And so I sit in front of groups of women every day, and I simply cannot see them as fragile, delicate beings on pedestals. I see miracles. I see possibility, sometimes even when their own FATHERS and HUSBANDS are blind to it. I find myself sad and annoyed at how many fathers/husbands cannot see the miraculous prophets that their own daughters/wives are becoming, and yet I am astonished by these living prisms of insight. Of course, I can't say any of this DIRECTLY to my patients, because it would make them feel weird and unsure how to respond, but it's simply true that I could not still be doing this work after ten years--and still loving it--if I didn't see this.
I see a girl with cuts up and down her arms, and she despises herself while I see a future role model.
A girl vomits and starves because she feels she doesn't even deserve to be nourished, but I see an artist.
A girl lays drunken and still, vacant in her mind, while boys treat her body like a soulless wastebasket for their own self-loathing, but I see a future poet.
This doesn't mean that I have an exaggerated, sensationalized, or over-dramatic view; certainly at times there are personality clashes and women who just aren't ready for this work at that time. But I see a strength and resolve in survivors that I haven't been able to find in a comparable way among men, and when I look for a source of inspiration I know without a doubt where it can be found.
So here are my questions to you:
What do you see as the inner strength of survivors? What differentiates between women's and men's strengths?
Why do you think your strengths are seldom seen, even by the men in your lives? Did you experience a father's or husband's indifference or lack of recognition to your own inner strengths? Why was that?
When someone else remarks on your strengths, and when those remarks come from a male, is it refreshing or suspicious? Why?
Other than the typical "compliments" you get from guys--sex, looks, sweet, cute, nice--what qualities of yourselves do you wish were noticed more often?
What would be an appropriate way for me to assure someone who despises herself that I see her worth, without it feeling like a phony platitude, a creepy pick-up line, or the kind of compliment that makes her nervous that she may not deserve?
I didn't actively set out to "become" a feminist, as if it's some type of club or group to join to get points or impress my wife. In fact, I tried to find this weird balance between wishy-washy feminism on the one hand, and Maxim magazine on the other. But the further I go into this work, the longer I live, and the more I see, the harder my feminist line becomes. It's as if there's a whole other world that parallels mine, and yet most men never see it. I've entered a world that can't be forgotten; I've heard things and had things shared with me that I can't un-hear or give back, and it engenders a certain responsibility to DO something because of it.
It wasn't feminism that I was seeking, it was inspiration. I have felt so overwhelmed, so despairing, so SAD, at rape work in the past. Five hundred rape victims as patients can get to you...that's 500 stories of trauma in a matter of 10 years. And you're not just listening to them, you have to RESPOND to them, help resolve them! And here's the hard part: not every woman who has been raped is "ready" for recovery at that particular point in time, so sometimes you have to recognize that and see them continue on, after therapy, still suffering. Some of them even hate me, lash out at me, and even hold me personally responsible for their pain. This hurts me--I'm not a cold stone--but it's part of the work, too.
But I've noticed something amazing, too. When I've needed that inspiration to keep me adrift, it's almost always come from women. I have guy friends, of course, and there are times I need to set this whole part of my life and profession aside and have "guy time" and just hang out and do "guy things" (don't ask unless you really wanna know). Sometimes my wonderful wife senses this too, and blesses me with a bit of her attempts at "masculine" humor or "guy talk" with me.
I love my guy friends, but truthfully I'm seldom inspired by them. They're good guys, good dads, but you know what's missing? The sense of personal struggle. The sense of activism. The resistance to cultural disempowerment--"we're not gonna take it anymore!"--and the miracle of transcendent, existential thought. I DO see all of those things in a certain small group of women who have become "beloved survivors" to me. I'm curious about it, I'm drawn to it, and I'm even a little envious of it. I just don't know how to stay connected to it without becoming the "pestering outsider" trying to trespass on another community.
It's a natural process, then: I need to feel inspired, and I am drawn to what inspires me. And that source happens to be strong women. It's not that I think either men or women are superior, but sheesh, men just aren't trying very hard! We've never HAD to! There's no sense of desperate survival, of urgent seizure of power, of strength in spite of culture-wide adversity; we men get to take our power and happiness for granted, almost. We seldom have to penetrate through our surrounding culture and question it, because the culture BENEFITS us and we hardly even notice.
But women have activism built right into their survival. If God made this world from nothing, women often to have make theirs from even less.
And so I sit in front of groups of women every day, and I simply cannot see them as fragile, delicate beings on pedestals. I see miracles. I see possibility, sometimes even when their own FATHERS and HUSBANDS are blind to it. I find myself sad and annoyed at how many fathers/husbands cannot see the miraculous prophets that their own daughters/wives are becoming, and yet I am astonished by these living prisms of insight. Of course, I can't say any of this DIRECTLY to my patients, because it would make them feel weird and unsure how to respond, but it's simply true that I could not still be doing this work after ten years--and still loving it--if I didn't see this.
I see a girl with cuts up and down her arms, and she despises herself while I see a future role model.
A girl vomits and starves because she feels she doesn't even deserve to be nourished, but I see an artist.
A girl lays drunken and still, vacant in her mind, while boys treat her body like a soulless wastebasket for their own self-loathing, but I see a future poet.
This doesn't mean that I have an exaggerated, sensationalized, or over-dramatic view; certainly at times there are personality clashes and women who just aren't ready for this work at that time. But I see a strength and resolve in survivors that I haven't been able to find in a comparable way among men, and when I look for a source of inspiration I know without a doubt where it can be found.
So here are my questions to you:
What do you see as the inner strength of survivors? What differentiates between women's and men's strengths?
Why do you think your strengths are seldom seen, even by the men in your lives? Did you experience a father's or husband's indifference or lack of recognition to your own inner strengths? Why was that?
When someone else remarks on your strengths, and when those remarks come from a male, is it refreshing or suspicious? Why?
Other than the typical "compliments" you get from guys--sex, looks, sweet, cute, nice--what qualities of yourselves do you wish were noticed more often?
What would be an appropriate way for me to assure someone who despises herself that I see her worth, without it feeling like a phony platitude, a creepy pick-up line, or the kind of compliment that makes her nervous that she may not deserve?
The tribe... walking it out with one another, no matter how far apart.
Six humans trapped by happenstance
in black and bitter cold
Each possessed a stick of wood,
Or so the story's told.
Their dying fire in need of logs,
the first woman held hers back
For on the faces around the fire
She noticed one was black.
The next man looking 'cross the way
Saw one not of his church
And couldn't bring himself to give
The fire his stick of birch.
The third one sat in tattered clothes
He gave his coat a hitch,
Why should his log be put to use
To warm the idle rich?
The rich man just sat back and thought
Of the wealth he had in store,
And how to keep what he had earned
From the lazy, shiftless poor.
The black man's face bespoke revenge
As the fire passed from his sight,
For all he saw in his stick of wood
Was a chance to spite the white.
And the last man of this forlorn group
Did naught except for gain,
Giving only to those who gave
Was how he played the game.
The logs held tight in death's stilled hands
Was proof of human sin,
They didn't die from the cold without,
They died from the cold within.
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Grandfather Great Spirit
All over the world the faces of living ones are alike.
With tenderness they have come up out of the ground.
Look upon your children that they may face the winds
And walk the good road to the Day of Quiet.
Grandfather Great Spirit Fill us with the Light.
Give us the strength to understand, And the eyes to see.
Teach us to walk the soft Earth as relatives To all that live.
When I first read this, I focused on the sandcastles, and I cried BECAUSE of the impermanence with which they are built. I remembered when my only child was growing up, and how it felt to care for him, to love him, and to fear for him.
I wrote him a letter in his baby book the day I got home from the hospital, and in that letter, I wrote the words he would hear, in an argument during his teenaged years. How, I had gotten pregnant planning on him leaving our home one day as an honoralble young man.
When I focused on the sandcastles, I remembered that conversation, and I remembered when he moved out on his own. I remembered how sad that was. But I remembered that letter and that it was written when I was a new mother at 20 years old. Then, I re-read it, and I was fine.
This thread has prompted much thought, and many words are here, many beautifully constructed thoughts about "TIME". In my consideration of these thoughts, I remembered these verses....
When you were small, I could tell
when you were hurt or sad,
you would cry, then I would try to ease the
pain you had.
I'd rock you gently at night,
and kiss the pain away,
and in the morning it would be okay.
I know your hurts are bigger now,
in places I can't touch.
Though I can try, I know that I
can never do enough.
I'd rock you gently if I could,
and kiss the pain away,
If only I could make it all be okay.
So I commend you to the Father,
Who can wrap His arms around you,
He'll calm you fears, and bind your wounds,
much better than I can do.
And He'll be with you forever,
wherever you may go.
So I commend you to the Father,
Who loves you so.
My greatest joy will come one day,
when you will start a home.
Your love and life, will grow in time, to children of your own.
So rock them gently while you can, and kiss their pain away,
and know the Lord, will make it all okay.
So I commend you to the Father, who can wrap His arms around you,
He'll bind your wounds, and dry your tears much better than I can do.
And He'll be with you forever,
wherever you may go.
I commend you to the Father, who loves you so.
Part of being a woman, for many of us, is the act of mothering, of moving away from many of our girlish behaviors, and maturing because we have a life dependant on our ability.
This takes me back to the words Empowered wrote here on this thread. The sandcastles and the tides....
In my nostalgia for the days of young motherhood, I cried about the inevitability of the destruction of sandcastles...the loss.
But, when I am equally nostalgic, and appropriately thankful for my todays...I look at this life of mine from the perspective of the tides.
I think of the relentlessness of the tides, sent NOT to destroy, but to reconstruct, to reconfigure. And the PROMISE the tides represent...they will remain constant in our lives, no matter what the tidetable suggests as to timing, they will ebb and flow.
And, sometimes, we are blessed with the bounty of a Neap Tide...we see the blessing twice in one day!
Thank you Empowered, for the beauty of your words here, and the food for thought. I am becoming well nourished.
Empowered, I can tell you that I have had many therapists over the years. However, there are two that I hold near my heart. The first was a male psychologist who I saw during a time that I was not ready to heal. At that time, I probably caused a lot of frustration for him. It was difficult for me to accept some of the things he said to me, because he was a man, but I always knew he meant what he said to me. I knew there wasn't a hidden agenda, even if I didn't believe the compliments he gave me. Because of your post, I am thinking of writing him a letter or email thanking him. His words still come to me daily in this battle and I use them to get out of bed and live my life.
The second is my current therapist. SHE is the one I coincidentally went to when I was ready to transition from the "victim" to "survivor" status. I often wonder if I had still been seeing the male therapist at the time I met her, would I still have had the same outcome? I'd like to think I would, but I don't know for sure.
Anyway, I just wanted to tell you that I consider them both as a part of the story of my life. They both have a few chapters in it. Like the one wonderful teacher in school that I still quote to this day. They will always be remembered. I will be eternally grateful for them. They helped shape my life. Out of sight, does not mean out of mind when someone has touched you as deeply as they have. Unfortunately, that (out of sight, not out of mind) also applies to my rapists. Thank god that I have the good thoughts from my therapists to drown out the bad. And thank you DS and Empowered. You are both also starting your own chapters in my life.