Pseudotumor Cerebri Support Group
Pseudotumor cerebri (PTC) is a neurological disorder that is characterized by increased intracranial pressure, in the absence of a tumor or other diseases affecting the brain or its lining. Diagnosis requires brain scans and lumbar puncture. Characteristic symptoms are headache, transient visual obscurations or transient visual loss in one or both eyes usually lasting...
Monkeymom3
So, my appointment was at 3 p.m. and I saw my NS' nurse practitioner at approximately 5:45....One would think that driving 352 miles would have been enough to be seen more promptly. I digress....
She asked how I've been and of course I filled her in about the continuing daily HA's, the occasional horrific HA's, the swelling of my shunt, the continuing pain from the catheter in my abdomen, the occasional vertigo, the occasional nausea and vomiting, the most recent LP with an opening pressure of 24 and of course my continual need for daily Dilaudid. Beyond that I expressed my continual frustrations with the lack of care in Rochester, NY, the incompetence of the doctors I've already met with and the disappointment in the fact that neither I, my insurance company, my PCP, the hospitals or my shunt manufacturer can find a NS in my area who can take care of me. And, of course, as of my most recent post, I expressed my anger regarding the last doctor who did very little except to insult me and minimize our disease. Additionally, I told her that I was angry because both Dr. McGregor and Dr. Katz told us PRIOR to my shunt surgery that they knew docs in my area who could do follow up care. His nurse practitioner said, "Well, I never said that and it's NOT MY PROBLEM!!!" REALLY??? Then she said that he would most likely just adjust my valve one more time to the lowest setting to open it up as far as it can go. I expressed that I thought that due to the fact that I don't have a doc in NY, due to my continual disability, due to the LP results indicating that my shunt isn't working properly and most importantly due to the fact that I am here now...we need to act aggressively this visit. She asked what I meant. I said, "We need to first insure that this thing works. That I know that the shunt can be tapped, eliminating the need for another traumatic LP, so we can find out my pressure. I said I know that a shunt-o-gram can be done to determine if and where the blockage or malfunction is. And, then, of course, based on those findings I said we need to fix the problem." She looked at her watch and said, "Those things need to be scheduled. They take a great deal of time over the course of several days, and they aren't going to happen now. It's after 6 p.m. and we still have 6 more patients to see." And, I said...."WELL, I'M HERE NOW. YOU HAVEN'T PROVIDED ME WITH A DOCTOR IN NY FOR FOLLOW UP CARE AND I'M STILL SICK...SO GUESS WHAT??? IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM!!!!"
She respectfully smiled and said "okay, I'll send Dr. McGregor in." LOL! When he came in he asked if I've had any relief with my shunt at all. I told him that prior to my shunt I had a daily HA with pain at a level 7 or 8 by 10 a.m. each morning. If I did anything that day, or was active the pain would be at a 10....and if I didn't get any rest the pain would go off the charts and every other day I was in the ER. And of course, I had other issues as well like neck and back muscle pain, whooshing in the ear, pressure that felt like I was deep under water, and memory and cognitive deficits. Now, with the shunt, I have a HA everyday but it is at a 4 or 5 on the scale. If I'm active, that number goes up and sometimes it's a 10 or above. But, the back pain is better and while I still get some neck pain it's not as bad. I do still get occasional vertigo and nausea, and of course sharp abdominal pains from the tube. But, it is a "little" better.
He said that while rare, some people are very sensitive to the catheter and it causes sharp pain and problems. Occasionally, it can even get stuck in a painful position and then they have to move the tube laproscopically. It's just something I'll have to get used to. As for the HA's, he said that it appears that my shunt works. It's in the right place and as I'm getting some relief it must be working. He said an opening pressure of 24 may be as good as it's going to get for me. He said, the only thing they can do for me right now is adjust the shunt to the lowest setting (30) and hope that things improve. If they don't improve, or worsen, then I have to come all the way back and then they'll do some tests to check the shunt. If my valve is functioning okay, then he would suggest that I get a second shunt...an LP shunt in addition to the VP shunt I already have. I said, "So then I would have 2 tubes in my abdomen causing pain." And, he said..."Well, yes...that is something to consider."
I again asked for the name of a doctor in NY and he gave me one name...a doctor in Syracuse (3 hours away). He said that this doctor is a brain tumor doctor and may not be able to help me, but was certain that he would know someone who could. LOL!
So...there it is my friends. I can only hope that this adjustment makes all the difference in the world. Unfortunately, due to the fact that we've adjusted my shunt umpteen times always with a high opening pressure...well, I'm not holding my breath. That being said, it would take some convincing before I would ever decide to have an LP shunt added to the VP shunt I already have.
So, what did all these months, all the waiting, all the suffering, and all the begging bring me back to? The realization that there is no cure for IIH. We know more about it than our doctors do. And, that this may be as good as it gets.
If you got this far in my post...then thanks for sticking with me, because it's been a shitty day.
Much love,
MM3
She asked how I've been and of course I filled her in about the continuing daily HA's, the occasional horrific HA's, the swelling of my shunt, the continuing pain from the catheter in my abdomen, the occasional vertigo, the occasional nausea and vomiting, the most recent LP with an opening pressure of 24 and of course my continual need for daily Dilaudid. Beyond that I expressed my continual frustrations with the lack of care in Rochester, NY, the incompetence of the doctors I've already met with and the disappointment in the fact that neither I, my insurance company, my PCP, the hospitals or my shunt manufacturer can find a NS in my area who can take care of me. And, of course, as of my most recent post, I expressed my anger regarding the last doctor who did very little except to insult me and minimize our disease. Additionally, I told her that I was angry because both Dr. McGregor and Dr. Katz told us PRIOR to my shunt surgery that they knew docs in my area who could do follow up care. His nurse practitioner said, "Well, I never said that and it's NOT MY PROBLEM!!!" REALLY??? Then she said that he would most likely just adjust my valve one more time to the lowest setting to open it up as far as it can go. I expressed that I thought that due to the fact that I don't have a doc in NY, due to my continual disability, due to the LP results indicating that my shunt isn't working properly and most importantly due to the fact that I am here now...we need to act aggressively this visit. She asked what I meant. I said, "We need to first insure that this thing works. That I know that the shunt can be tapped, eliminating the need for another traumatic LP, so we can find out my pressure. I said I know that a shunt-o-gram can be done to determine if and where the blockage or malfunction is. And, then, of course, based on those findings I said we need to fix the problem." She looked at her watch and said, "Those things need to be scheduled. They take a great deal of time over the course of several days, and they aren't going to happen now. It's after 6 p.m. and we still have 6 more patients to see." And, I said...."WELL, I'M HERE NOW. YOU HAVEN'T PROVIDED ME WITH A DOCTOR IN NY FOR FOLLOW UP CARE AND I'M STILL SICK...SO GUESS WHAT??? IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM!!!!"
She respectfully smiled and said "okay, I'll send Dr. McGregor in." LOL! When he came in he asked if I've had any relief with my shunt at all. I told him that prior to my shunt I had a daily HA with pain at a level 7 or 8 by 10 a.m. each morning. If I did anything that day, or was active the pain would be at a 10....and if I didn't get any rest the pain would go off the charts and every other day I was in the ER. And of course, I had other issues as well like neck and back muscle pain, whooshing in the ear, pressure that felt like I was deep under water, and memory and cognitive deficits. Now, with the shunt, I have a HA everyday but it is at a 4 or 5 on the scale. If I'm active, that number goes up and sometimes it's a 10 or above. But, the back pain is better and while I still get some neck pain it's not as bad. I do still get occasional vertigo and nausea, and of course sharp abdominal pains from the tube. But, it is a "little" better.
He said that while rare, some people are very sensitive to the catheter and it causes sharp pain and problems. Occasionally, it can even get stuck in a painful position and then they have to move the tube laproscopically. It's just something I'll have to get used to. As for the HA's, he said that it appears that my shunt works. It's in the right place and as I'm getting some relief it must be working. He said an opening pressure of 24 may be as good as it's going to get for me. He said, the only thing they can do for me right now is adjust the shunt to the lowest setting (30) and hope that things improve. If they don't improve, or worsen, then I have to come all the way back and then they'll do some tests to check the shunt. If my valve is functioning okay, then he would suggest that I get a second shunt...an LP shunt in addition to the VP shunt I already have. I said, "So then I would have 2 tubes in my abdomen causing pain." And, he said..."Well, yes...that is something to consider."
I again asked for the name of a doctor in NY and he gave me one name...a doctor in Syracuse (3 hours away). He said that this doctor is a brain tumor doctor and may not be able to help me, but was certain that he would know someone who could. LOL!
So...there it is my friends. I can only hope that this adjustment makes all the difference in the world. Unfortunately, due to the fact that we've adjusted my shunt umpteen times always with a high opening pressure...well, I'm not holding my breath. That being said, it would take some convincing before I would ever decide to have an LP shunt added to the VP shunt I already have.
So, what did all these months, all the waiting, all the suffering, and all the begging bring me back to? The realization that there is no cure for IIH. We know more about it than our doctors do. And, that this may be as good as it gets.
If you got this far in my post...then thanks for sticking with me, because it's been a shitty day.
Much love,
MM3
I'm new to your story, but wow, that sure sounds like I road you have traveled. I'm sorry to hear of your story. I'll be thinking of you.
Lynelle
I am sorry you had such a frustrating experience..I feel the Dr's really don't know what to do when things don't work for us...every Dr I have had tries what they think is the right thing and after about a one year average per DR. they refer me to someone else..I am over the one year mark at my present Dr. and I fear after all the testing I had done in the last two weeks I am no closer to finding something that will work for me...because I am not having vision problems now....except for blurry vision the docs say is related to dry eyes...yeah right...and I am not to much over weight ....they just don't seem to understand the magnitude of what this disorder does to our daily lives...,,but I will not give up,,,I just keep going back...I have to drive a few hundred miles each way...so I make my appointments in the early afternoon, other wise I have to stay in a hotel which costs over 100 dollars a night...there are no NS in my area....I strongly believe a University Hospital is the best place to be for something like this...you always have a team of Dr's and I say the more heads looking at my head.... is better...I might feel differently next week if I don't get some answers......one of my past Dr's actully said to me and I quote.."why is your head still hurting ?"
I almost fell of the exam table laughing...it was after I had the stent put in and I asked if we should do another lp to see if the stent lowered my pressure and he said...." if we do another LP you will really have a headache." two months later he referred me to the DR I am with now and the first thing he did was an LP and guess what my pressure was high....duh !!!! I can tell by what you have been through you are a strong woman...keep going back until they do something to help you..call them everyday if you have to....don't let them off the hook...tell them to schedule the shunt-o-gram. Make sure they understand you are traveling a great distance and let them book as many appointments as possible while you are there...make sure everyone knows you are traveling....You have so much experience I hope I am not telling you what you already know..but I say give the adjustment time to work..and if you are not feeling better demand they check the shunt.....I am trying not to let this illness beat me, but at times I feel defeated...but I will not give up....so get yourself together like you have done so many other times and keep fighting...I know how hard it is...my sister said told me to fight like I was fighting for a lloved one..sometimes it is easier to advocate for others, but we have to advocate for ourselves...because no one who does not suffer this pain can undstand what we live with......I hope the adjusstment helps...Paula
Next, Are you sure you were not talking to my NS? Its almost word for word what he told me in Sept! Talk about pulling the rug from under you... my husband and I went home after that vist ready to give up. Dont you! Here I am , just a few mths later, doing the best I have ever done. Ok, it may only be for awhile but there is hope!
I had all the same abdominal problems as you, and after mths, it did go away.Poor consolation I know but again, it does get better. I was also offered the LP shunt, but with advice not to go for it. It would have been too complicated after the way I reacted to the VP. Sound familier? I choose not to go ahead. My gut instinct yelled NO. i think I made the right choise.
I am having a very mixed up day and I wish I could get across to you what I want to say. Take heart, a few mths ago everyone had written me off yrt , here I am! Big and bold as ever.Yes, things are not perfect but they sure are better than before. I Am better, I am strong again, its me. I thought I had lost me for good.
If you lose faith you cant fight and you know we have to do that for ourselves.We cant depend on the drs or specialists and that is a hard pill to swallow.You have done a great job so far, you stood your ground and fought.Things will change and get better. I believe you get back what you put out there.
So, you are tired and let down, for today. Tomorrow, you start again.Find this new dr and make him fix or adjust the shunt. Get out of pain so you can think. You are worn out from all this and need a break.Then you can face the next hurdle
I could cry with you but I wont, I will cry for you and help pick you up and.I will everytime.Please believe me, it will get better. With the warmest hugs, Cath.
Cath...your story does sound so much like mine. I hope for the day when the tube doesn't hurt my abdomen anymore. It does feel like it's getting a little better already; so maybe it will just be a couple more months. And, I absolutely feel the way you do about an LP shunt...NO WAY!!!
This brings us to today...I was supposed to go shopping for Easter stuff with my Mom and it is a BEAUTIFUL day outside, but I awoke with what I believe is a low pressure HA. I'm nauseous and when I'm up my head hurts. I guess that adjustment worked pretty quickly! So, now I truly feel at a loss! And, I would've taken my unstable, headache at a 4 - getting worse with activity days that I was having yesterday and the day before over what I'm experiencing today. I'M SO ANGRY! I'm supposed to be WELL!!!
I have things to do...a life to live....a nephew to spoil....but, I'm in bed. AAAAUUUUGGGGHHHHH!!!!
If you guys read about a neurosurgeon that ends up being beat up in Columbus, OH you'll know it was me! LOL!
I love you all, my dear friends and I thank you for the continued support.
MM3
And on another note, I am sorry to hear that you now have a low pressure HA. It's hard to win, isn't it? Keep fighting these medical tools. Maybe one day one of us will win! And my offer stands - just say the word and I will be right in Columbus with you!
What a nightmare. I read your post this morning and have been thinking about you all day. I wish I could reach out and give you a hug. I'm not sure I have any new or insightful advice to offer, but know that you are not alone.
I struggled with the tubing misbehaving when my shunt was first placed. They did have to go move it after about a month, and since then it has settled down some. It sucks to have a doctor say "you will get used to it" but at least my experience has been that it does get more manageable. Over time I have learned how to move or lie down to get the tube to move when it gets someplace painful. There are still days that I wake up and the line is swollen and sore for no obvious reason. I dread those days, but they are more manageable over time.
PTC sucks. Shunts suck, but it is all they know how to do to try to help us. I have had a hard time since my last surgery (my 2nd revision in less than five weeks) trying to deal with the reality that all of our waiting and pain may not lead to relief. And the very scary thoughts that I have no idea what my life will be like going foward. Is this the new normal or will it get better?
I wish for you (and everyone here) that you can find a doctor that can really take care of you. I can only imagine how your feelings are compounded by dealing with doctors that can't or won't treat you. My guy down here in NC is great. I'm going to put a call into him tomorrow to see if he can recommend anyone in Rochester for you. All this travelling to have crappy care has got to be taking such a toll on you.
Hopefully the HA from this adjustment will settle down and you will get some relief soon. Take care of yourself.
Eileen
If there's one thing I've learned in the two weeks since I found this place - WE are responsible for our care and educating our doctors. I realized this first hand after spending last Friday in the ER. Specifically, the ER I picked because my neurologist is on the board there so I incorrectly assumed they'd be knowledgeable . . .
All I can say is that I researched for several weeks before I finally settled on a neuro, and he came from a recommendation of a friend of a friend. I took a leap of faith because anything was better than the care I was receiving. While I don't know much about your area, are there any teaching hospitals in NYC? I don't know if that's closer than Columbus. Down here we have Baylor and I think I just honestly got lucky, but YOU know you better than anyone and I pray that you can find good care closer to home.
KC
I read your post above but not eveyone elses responses, yet. As I recall during my most recent shunt trouble shooting episode, we also had to adjust to the lowest setting before he wanted to do a shunt tap. (I thought you had already tried the lowest setting.) So this may seem logical if you have not already tried the lowest setting. It still baffles me that he won't do a shunt tap especially after how many different settings you have already tried.
I don't know what to say or do that can help you thru this difficult time but you know I am willing to help however I can. I know your shunt hardware is the same as mine, If your insurance coverage has my NS as part of there network you are more than welcome to stay with us and I would be more than willing to help you get there from here.
I just don't know what the heck else to suggest. I know you are having a rough time and that SUCKS!............
You know how to get ahold of me if any of this make sense.
Your IIH compadre,
TJ
Anyway,
MM3
Double YEAH! I hope so too. Hey it is tomorrow now so what is the good word? Still feeling good?
TJ
Mandy
Paula: I really hope it gets better for you...my prayers for you continue.
Mandy: So many of the stories here touch my heart because I have I can relate to so many here. It is a true shame that we can't seem to find doctors to care for us...or at the very least show some empathy. I truly wish you the best for your surgery this week. I am hoping that my relief remains but moreover, I hope that all my friends here can find the same relief for themselves.
Best wishes and much love,
Khrystine