Pseudotumor Cerebri Support Group
Pseudotumor cerebri (PTC) is a neurological disorder that is characterized by increased intracranial pressure, in the absence of a tumor or other diseases affecting the brain or its lining. Diagnosis requires brain scans and lumbar puncture. Characteristic symptoms are headache, transient visual obscurations or transient visual loss in one or both eyes usually lasting...
Monkeymom3
For those who read my recent update regarding my hospital visit you know of my struggles with trying to find a doctor in NY to take charge of my care, all the while having a NS in Ohio who claims my shunt works just fine although I still have daily pains and troubles. As I still suffer from headaches, fatigue, joint and muscle aches, I take Dilaudid to help with the pain. Without the medication I wouldn't be able to do ANYTHING. With the medication I can help my children with school, run errands, or to sum it all up...function. Sure....at one time I was only taking the medication on an as needed basis. But, last August, prior to my surgery, my Neuro doc had taken me off all meds (Diamox, Topamax and Lasix), giving me Dilaudid to use for pain. At that time I was in severe pain daily and was in the ER at least once a week for an LP. Eventually, the pain became unbearable and I had no choice but to get the shunt out of pure desperation. As my NS told me, a shunt doesn't always cure the headaches and in my case it certainly hasn't....although I will say they aren't as bad as they were pre-shunt. After surgery, I was on Dilaudid everyday to deal with post surgical pain and post shunt low pressure headaches. As I can't find a doctor to help me or to do a shunt revision, I am still on this pain killer in order to survive. My PCP knows of the pains I suffer and continues to prescribe the med, only asking that I use my best judgement to try and wean off of it when I can. Now where does this leave me?
Dilaudid is an opiate and one of the strongest pain killers available. As such, it doesn't take long before our bodies become addicted to the drug. Normally that process takes place within a couple of weeks or so. I've been on the drug for over a year now. I've no doubt that if I stopped taking the drug tomorrow - cold turkey - that I would become very, very sick. I am medically addicted to this drug. So...should I enter a rehab clinic. Try to get clean? The answer?....No! The reason?.....Because unless my doctors can give me a working shunt wherein I'm not in pain...I need the Dilaudid.
So, why do I bring this up? Because, last week at the hospital this topic became a big issue. As I've been on Dilaudid for over a year I have a very high tolerance for the drug. As such, when my pain becomes uncontrollable and I go to the hospital the small doses of Dilaudid they use to control pain doesn't work. I need a much higher dose. But, doctors are so concerned these days about "drug seekers" and people coming to the hospital just to get high that they forgo properly treating the chronically ill patients. Last week, not only were they not controlling my pain, but, I wasn't getting any sleep - which just made my headaches worse. Every day I was there I would ask to be released. As I had stopped vomiting, I knew that I was better off at home. And yet, everyday I was told I couldn't leave. Now, I ask you....Would a drug addict want to stay in the hospital where they would get IV drugs or would they ask to go home? And is it not true that if they had just given me one solid dose of pain meds the first time around.....one big dose that would just get rid of my pain and let me sleep....that I could've gone home sooner and gotten rid of the headache? Once upon a time, they did just that. Years ago, if I had an uncontrollable migraine, I would go to the ER. They would give me a shot of Demerol and Phenergan. I would go home. Sleep for 12 to 18 hours and when I woke up....no headache. Now, they don't give Demerol shots anymore because they say it causes seizures. Now, they are so paranoid about everyone being a drug seeker that they don't treat you. So, instead you stay in the hospital for a week, always in pain, never getting better....until they finally release you. And, they did release me. But guess what? On my discharge paperwork my reason for hospitalization wasn't listed as "Headache due to IIH", but rather, "Headache caused secondarily to opiate addiction"! The nurse was angry. I was crying. My husband was livid. We currently have the President of the hospital looking into my story as we have requested that this be struck from my record. Needless to say, I didn't sign off on the paperwork. If it is not struck from my record, I plan on hiring an attorney and filing suit against the hospital.
Now as we've discussed in previous posts, it is true that pain meds can cause rebound headaches. I've had rebound headaches before. In fact, Morphine almost always causes me to have one. But, I can safely say that in the case of Dilaudid....I've never had a rebound headache. Moreover, I have an entire file documenting the pains and troubles I've had with IIH over the last couple of years. Certainly enough of a background to explain my reason for being ill.
So, what's my point? My point is that for those of us who experience chronic pain, there is no way to get "high" off of these drugs. I don't feel euphoric when I take it. Sure, some may become groggy and tired. (I personally don't). But, I don't feel good. It just takes the edge off. I'm not the only patient who deals with this type of discrimination and IIH isn't the only disease that requires daily pain med use. My aunt takes daily pain meds for her severe RA and my mother takes daily pain meds for her battle with MS and degenerative disk disease. Does this make us a family of drug addicts? No....it merely, lets us live somewhat of a life in a body that has robbed us of doing it comfortably.
How many of you have suffered this same kind of neglect, abuse, and maltreatment from your doctors? I think this is a very important topic, and would like to speak to the IHR Foundation about starting an advocacy division who will properly explain our disease to the multitude of ignorant doctors out there and help to stop the foul treatment we are receiving. I envision this group as travelling around to different hospitals to educate hospital staff about IIH, and to advocate for IIH patients when issues like those above occur. What is your opinion? Please respond and give your two cents on the subject.
MM3
Dilaudid is an opiate and one of the strongest pain killers available. As such, it doesn't take long before our bodies become addicted to the drug. Normally that process takes place within a couple of weeks or so. I've been on the drug for over a year now. I've no doubt that if I stopped taking the drug tomorrow - cold turkey - that I would become very, very sick. I am medically addicted to this drug. So...should I enter a rehab clinic. Try to get clean? The answer?....No! The reason?.....Because unless my doctors can give me a working shunt wherein I'm not in pain...I need the Dilaudid.
So, why do I bring this up? Because, last week at the hospital this topic became a big issue. As I've been on Dilaudid for over a year I have a very high tolerance for the drug. As such, when my pain becomes uncontrollable and I go to the hospital the small doses of Dilaudid they use to control pain doesn't work. I need a much higher dose. But, doctors are so concerned these days about "drug seekers" and people coming to the hospital just to get high that they forgo properly treating the chronically ill patients. Last week, not only were they not controlling my pain, but, I wasn't getting any sleep - which just made my headaches worse. Every day I was there I would ask to be released. As I had stopped vomiting, I knew that I was better off at home. And yet, everyday I was told I couldn't leave. Now, I ask you....Would a drug addict want to stay in the hospital where they would get IV drugs or would they ask to go home? And is it not true that if they had just given me one solid dose of pain meds the first time around.....one big dose that would just get rid of my pain and let me sleep....that I could've gone home sooner and gotten rid of the headache? Once upon a time, they did just that. Years ago, if I had an uncontrollable migraine, I would go to the ER. They would give me a shot of Demerol and Phenergan. I would go home. Sleep for 12 to 18 hours and when I woke up....no headache. Now, they don't give Demerol shots anymore because they say it causes seizures. Now, they are so paranoid about everyone being a drug seeker that they don't treat you. So, instead you stay in the hospital for a week, always in pain, never getting better....until they finally release you. And, they did release me. But guess what? On my discharge paperwork my reason for hospitalization wasn't listed as "Headache due to IIH", but rather, "Headache caused secondarily to opiate addiction"! The nurse was angry. I was crying. My husband was livid. We currently have the President of the hospital looking into my story as we have requested that this be struck from my record. Needless to say, I didn't sign off on the paperwork. If it is not struck from my record, I plan on hiring an attorney and filing suit against the hospital.
Now as we've discussed in previous posts, it is true that pain meds can cause rebound headaches. I've had rebound headaches before. In fact, Morphine almost always causes me to have one. But, I can safely say that in the case of Dilaudid....I've never had a rebound headache. Moreover, I have an entire file documenting the pains and troubles I've had with IIH over the last couple of years. Certainly enough of a background to explain my reason for being ill.
So, what's my point? My point is that for those of us who experience chronic pain, there is no way to get "high" off of these drugs. I don't feel euphoric when I take it. Sure, some may become groggy and tired. (I personally don't). But, I don't feel good. It just takes the edge off. I'm not the only patient who deals with this type of discrimination and IIH isn't the only disease that requires daily pain med use. My aunt takes daily pain meds for her severe RA and my mother takes daily pain meds for her battle with MS and degenerative disk disease. Does this make us a family of drug addicts? No....it merely, lets us live somewhat of a life in a body that has robbed us of doing it comfortably.
How many of you have suffered this same kind of neglect, abuse, and maltreatment from your doctors? I think this is a very important topic, and would like to speak to the IHR Foundation about starting an advocacy division who will properly explain our disease to the multitude of ignorant doctors out there and help to stop the foul treatment we are receiving. I envision this group as travelling around to different hospitals to educate hospital staff about IIH, and to advocate for IIH patients when issues like those above occur. What is your opinion? Please respond and give your two cents on the subject.
MM3
I hope you can find relief soon.
My internest is much better than the neuro, He gave me xanax to help me relax which i find helps a lot at least then i can go to sleep and get away from the pain that way.
Second. I am horrified at your description of how they are treating you. I do not know if this is the response you are looking for- but when they were treating you in the hospital, if they did not mention the diagnosis- or discuss that they thought you (using their words- NOT my opinion) were experiencing a secondary opiate addicition- to put it on the release forms could be considered capricous and unconscionable. If not that drastic- certainly-to throw that in as a diagnosis is certainly poor patient care.
My hospital always tells me that I have the "right" to know what I am being treated for. Maybe it is bad form to assume that all hospitals practice this, however, it would be in the interest of the patient to do so!
Have you been able to involve the doctor who prescribes the dilauded? Are you able to see doctors at a pain clinic? I have found that docs at the pain clinic are much better with this sort of thing. They have a much firmer understanding of the pharmacy of the drugs, etc. They also have been able to work to address my needs. My neuro does not prescribe pain meds except for directly following surgery. I know each hospital has a different set up. However, depending on your situation, you may find a pain doc to be more helpful.
With this message- I also send some hope for peace. I am so sorry you are going through this. -
danielle
Addiction means you will lie, cheat, steal, and kill to get the drug. Addicted means you cant go a day without the drug which you obviously can. Those ER DRs are a bunch of freaking idiots. Hearing your story really makes me mad. Like 90% of the DRs out there are complete ass#*&%$!!!
I havent been in the same situation before but I have an awesome pain management DR who sticks up for me and tells other DR to back off if they give me a hard time about taking pain meds. PAIN MEDS ARE NECESSARY FOR ANY KIND OF NORMAL LIFE IF YOU HAVE PTC!
I havent had any recent issues with this because of my wonderful pain management DR and I have never gone to the ER for HAs. I have needed to but knew they wouldnt be of much help. I tried a multitude of other drugs with no luck.
Now I have been taking OPANA ER for almost a month. It is an extended release drug and I can take it every 12 hours if I need to but the drug seems to work for more than 24 hours for me as of now.
I did take it every twelve hours after my Optic Nerve surgery for 4 days and found out it does give me a migraine if I take the drug for more than two days in a row, but I would totally take the migraine over the high pressure HA anytime!
Oh P.S. I am also taking Lyrica 3X a day. It helps a TON with the radicular pain from the HAs that I get in my eyes, ears, jaw, teeth, neck and shoulders etc. Lyrica is a non-narcotic and it does take a couple of months to feel the full benefit but it is totally worth it!
Danielle: Thank you for your post. I'm not sure what I wanted in particular for a response. I knew that others with IIH have experienced similar treatment in the past. I thought that by telling my story others might feel stronger and less alone in their own battles with their doctors. I think you make a very good point about how the hospital should be required to tell you what their treating you for. My PCP doc who prescribes my medication has gotten involved and like me feels as if he is fighting an endless and unnecessary battle. Additionally, he has stated that between the two of us we will work on putting some protocols in place for the hospital and how I should be treated when I end up there. (Mostly because the hospital docs don't know much about IIH and how to treat it.) As for pain docs....You're right. They do know much more about the pharmacology of these meds and how to properly treat pain. As such, I will take up your recommendation and see if I can get a referral to a pain clinic so that I might have a group who can back me up when I end up in these situations. Thank you for your support and input. You seem very knowledgable and it helps.
Much love,
MM3
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