Physical & Emotional Abuse Support Group
Abuse is a general term for the treatment of someone that causes some kind of harm (to the abused person, to the abusers themselves, or to someone else) that is unlawful or wrongful. No one deserves abuse, period. Abuse can be emotional, physical, or sexual.
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Joanieslegacy
Hi everyone. First, I would like to apologize for the length of this, but it if for clarity of what I have gone through to help gain perspective and perhaps see if I am the issue or the person I was dating is the issue? This is our second time at this relationship and we started dating end of January and broke it off per his phone call last Wed so I am still in a tailspin. I have went through the anger, then the denial, I feel now I am in the grieving and shock...not sure though. Any help is appreciated to sort out if I could have averted this train wreck or ?
Here goes:
I am beginning to wonder if perhaps I am the emotional abuser, if i am the crazy one? I just got out of a relationship, second time in, with a man that I can't seem to break contact with, who is not necessarily mean to me in the traditional sense of the word, but I have huge trust issues with.
We had broken up the end of August, his idea, and he wanted to remain friends. I did, but we did not really keep contact other than through texts, phone calls and email. I was never aware of the fact that he had an ex girlfriend that he had gotten back with and this same woman, he had dumped for me. He contacted me back in December (his bday is then) and said he was sorry for what had happened, and things progressed until in late January he got up enough nerve to ask for a dinner date. I hesitently agreed and we met up. During the course of dinner, he was so very tender with me, saying that he had been seeing some one, but she was not working out, that there was no communtication..etc. That she knew they were through. The date ended after a going and shooting some pool, hanging out and talking and driving around. There was some attraction, quite a bit still but we did not have sex as I could not be sure of him yet or his intent.
He ended up buying me tickets to a fancey theatre show and I decided to go, it was to be a weekend ordeal. I was to find out that he really had not explained things to her all the way yet, but that was after I spend the night there. The next day, after we had went skating and we were in my vehicle )he has one but we just took mine, we pulled up to his place and I looked back to see her pulling up behind us. I was in shock. He was like well she is just upset, she does not understand that it is over and she was upset that I was suppossed to take the kids roller skating this day. ( turned out she does not even have kids, it is her sister and brother in laws kids) I stayed in my vehicle as I am not confrontational, but he got out and talked to her, said ok it is all taken care of, I am taking them tommorrow, but I want you to stay ok? It will only be for a few hours. Like a dumbass, I stayed. Later she kept texting him and was shaken up and upset he said. He said she is just so tenderhearted, he let her call him and when he was talkin to her, I heard him say "No its not like that, you knew it was not working out, You know we have been friends a long time and we will stay friends and I will take care of you and he called her an affectionate nickname.
When I pointed out that it hurt, he was like well babe, what did you expect me to do, when she came to get her things she left her at the house, she seen your things and it really upset her? She is very tender hearted. I was like, well and I am not? Dont you think this upsets me?
He said, just let me go talk to her and we will get this taken care of and no more problems. I let him as I am a very fair and trusting person. She lives in the same town, maybe a block away. He was gone about 45 min to an hour.
He came back and was like, she knew it was you and she knew I would go back to you, she was just upset and she is ok with it now. I was like, I didnt even know that you left someone to be with me. He said, Oh yeah, she was upset that she lost me to you once again.
That was very uncomfortable to me and I told him that he should honor his promise to her about the kids. I actually felt bad. As if I had caused this somehow?
He texted me throughout the skating time and even told me the kids acted up at the rink and he should not even have went as he barely had fun skating cause there were too many kids there and they slowed his skating down. He let me know when he was leaving and even stopped to get me food and a sundae. Of course I was just the best ever.
We ended up having a freak snowstorm and I ended up staying at his place for three more days..he was so attentive and it was what I thought was going to be a start of a new and improved relationship.
I was so wrong.
By Tuesday, he had his friends stop by and they brought him some recreational drugs (this same man had stopped smoking for me because of my migraines teh first time around, and I did not even ask him to) Now he was smoking and smoking more than cigs.
I tried to accept it and think well it could be worse. He is working and he does go to college. He does not beat me and he even opens doors for me and brings me plates of food, he is kind, etc.
Anyway, the kindness can only last so long. He always wanted to change things about me, the way I dress, my friends, did not like me to curse. If I slept in, and he could not, he would most times wake me up, sometimes just by being loud, but other times by laying in bed and talking until I would wake up. Now if I let him sleep, say he fell asleep real early in the evening and I had to go to work early the next day, I would leave out of courtesy, to let him sleep ( I sleep best in my own bed) I would try to wake him and he would never wake up. Then the minute I would leave and be driving off, he would call and be mad at me for leaving.
Same if we had fought and I would leave to avoid a confrontation, say he went outside to take a call and didnt even tell me, I would just leave. I would leave a note. Heck, I yelled for him and couldnt find him and decided just to go. He called and was shocked that I would do that. I avoid conflict..I grew up with an alcoholic father and that was the only way to survive.
The day that I did that and oddly enough that was the last day we had together, we had been shopping and he ran into his ex in that store. I was in the ladies and had and armful of clothes. He came over and told me I needed to try them on real quick cause she was there and he wanted to leave. Of course I was upset.
Why should I have to leave a public place when I am enjoying myself, when I let him go see her in private and go take those kids skating? So I just set the clothes down and walked out of the store. We fought all teh way back. He said I copped attitude and he just was respectful to his exes. I said,but you and your women friends can be around her? He said that is different I am not screwing them. That cut me to the core. So I had pretty much made up my mind that I wanted to leave as soon as we got back.
Am I the crazy, insecure, nuerotic one? Anyway, he dumped me last Wed over the phone. Said I wigged out to much on him. I brought too much drama on myself, I was to negative and a big factor was that I would not fly to another state with him. He said just forget it now, you dont get to go. You had your chance up until Tues. You threw it away. You could of seen me last weekend and you said no, made up excuses, but it was because he has a trlr park he always has to go take care of and I knew he would be edgy and I would have a bad time if he came to my house. I live in another town. He has a very rigid schedule and it has to be his way.
I told him that and he said, well you had your chance and when I offered you should have said ok. Regardless his friend, who is a married female, said that the ex had been at his place recently ( i figure that weekend) and she said he slept on the couch, yet she says she dont believe it and that my ex said that the ex changed some things he didnt like about her. Also that she figured this would happen as whenever he starts to complain about his dates, it doesnt take long for him to kick them to the curb. So now to my knowledge, this girl has come back to him 3 times.
Anyway, I am very sorry for the length of this, but I just have to wonder if I am at fault, or if I had lived in his town would I have stood a chance? This man was telling me he thought the world of me just the week before he dumped me, wanting to fly me and take me to sea world, calling me repeatedly iF i did not answer, telling me not to give up what we have over the mistake at the store, and that he did not love her, he just cared about her welfare, yet to my knowledge she is back in..and I am on the curb?
I am so messed up....Even after our heated arguement, he wanted to remain friends..I told him f ur friendship, I see how you treat your friends. Man, I never even acted like that the first time around but infedility hits me hard.
Here goes:
I am beginning to wonder if perhaps I am the emotional abuser, if i am the crazy one? I just got out of a relationship, second time in, with a man that I can't seem to break contact with, who is not necessarily mean to me in the traditional sense of the word, but I have huge trust issues with.
We had broken up the end of August, his idea, and he wanted to remain friends. I did, but we did not really keep contact other than through texts, phone calls and email. I was never aware of the fact that he had an ex girlfriend that he had gotten back with and this same woman, he had dumped for me. He contacted me back in December (his bday is then) and said he was sorry for what had happened, and things progressed until in late January he got up enough nerve to ask for a dinner date. I hesitently agreed and we met up. During the course of dinner, he was so very tender with me, saying that he had been seeing some one, but she was not working out, that there was no communtication..etc. That she knew they were through. The date ended after a going and shooting some pool, hanging out and talking and driving around. There was some attraction, quite a bit still but we did not have sex as I could not be sure of him yet or his intent.
He ended up buying me tickets to a fancey theatre show and I decided to go, it was to be a weekend ordeal. I was to find out that he really had not explained things to her all the way yet, but that was after I spend the night there. The next day, after we had went skating and we were in my vehicle )he has one but we just took mine, we pulled up to his place and I looked back to see her pulling up behind us. I was in shock. He was like well she is just upset, she does not understand that it is over and she was upset that I was suppossed to take the kids roller skating this day. ( turned out she does not even have kids, it is her sister and brother in laws kids) I stayed in my vehicle as I am not confrontational, but he got out and talked to her, said ok it is all taken care of, I am taking them tommorrow, but I want you to stay ok? It will only be for a few hours. Like a dumbass, I stayed. Later she kept texting him and was shaken up and upset he said. He said she is just so tenderhearted, he let her call him and when he was talkin to her, I heard him say "No its not like that, you knew it was not working out, You know we have been friends a long time and we will stay friends and I will take care of you and he called her an affectionate nickname.
When I pointed out that it hurt, he was like well babe, what did you expect me to do, when she came to get her things she left her at the house, she seen your things and it really upset her? She is very tender hearted. I was like, well and I am not? Dont you think this upsets me?
He said, just let me go talk to her and we will get this taken care of and no more problems. I let him as I am a very fair and trusting person. She lives in the same town, maybe a block away. He was gone about 45 min to an hour.
He came back and was like, she knew it was you and she knew I would go back to you, she was just upset and she is ok with it now. I was like, I didnt even know that you left someone to be with me. He said, Oh yeah, she was upset that she lost me to you once again.
That was very uncomfortable to me and I told him that he should honor his promise to her about the kids. I actually felt bad. As if I had caused this somehow?
He texted me throughout the skating time and even told me the kids acted up at the rink and he should not even have went as he barely had fun skating cause there were too many kids there and they slowed his skating down. He let me know when he was leaving and even stopped to get me food and a sundae. Of course I was just the best ever.
We ended up having a freak snowstorm and I ended up staying at his place for three more days..he was so attentive and it was what I thought was going to be a start of a new and improved relationship.
I was so wrong.
By Tuesday, he had his friends stop by and they brought him some recreational drugs (this same man had stopped smoking for me because of my migraines teh first time around, and I did not even ask him to) Now he was smoking and smoking more than cigs.
I tried to accept it and think well it could be worse. He is working and he does go to college. He does not beat me and he even opens doors for me and brings me plates of food, he is kind, etc.
Anyway, the kindness can only last so long. He always wanted to change things about me, the way I dress, my friends, did not like me to curse. If I slept in, and he could not, he would most times wake me up, sometimes just by being loud, but other times by laying in bed and talking until I would wake up. Now if I let him sleep, say he fell asleep real early in the evening and I had to go to work early the next day, I would leave out of courtesy, to let him sleep ( I sleep best in my own bed) I would try to wake him and he would never wake up. Then the minute I would leave and be driving off, he would call and be mad at me for leaving.
Same if we had fought and I would leave to avoid a confrontation, say he went outside to take a call and didnt even tell me, I would just leave. I would leave a note. Heck, I yelled for him and couldnt find him and decided just to go. He called and was shocked that I would do that. I avoid conflict..I grew up with an alcoholic father and that was the only way to survive.
The day that I did that and oddly enough that was the last day we had together, we had been shopping and he ran into his ex in that store. I was in the ladies and had and armful of clothes. He came over and told me I needed to try them on real quick cause she was there and he wanted to leave. Of course I was upset.
Why should I have to leave a public place when I am enjoying myself, when I let him go see her in private and go take those kids skating? So I just set the clothes down and walked out of the store. We fought all teh way back. He said I copped attitude and he just was respectful to his exes. I said,but you and your women friends can be around her? He said that is different I am not screwing them. That cut me to the core. So I had pretty much made up my mind that I wanted to leave as soon as we got back.
Am I the crazy, insecure, nuerotic one? Anyway, he dumped me last Wed over the phone. Said I wigged out to much on him. I brought too much drama on myself, I was to negative and a big factor was that I would not fly to another state with him. He said just forget it now, you dont get to go. You had your chance up until Tues. You threw it away. You could of seen me last weekend and you said no, made up excuses, but it was because he has a trlr park he always has to go take care of and I knew he would be edgy and I would have a bad time if he came to my house. I live in another town. He has a very rigid schedule and it has to be his way.
I told him that and he said, well you had your chance and when I offered you should have said ok. Regardless his friend, who is a married female, said that the ex had been at his place recently ( i figure that weekend) and she said he slept on the couch, yet she says she dont believe it and that my ex said that the ex changed some things he didnt like about her. Also that she figured this would happen as whenever he starts to complain about his dates, it doesnt take long for him to kick them to the curb. So now to my knowledge, this girl has come back to him 3 times.
Anyway, I am very sorry for the length of this, but I just have to wonder if I am at fault, or if I had lived in his town would I have stood a chance? This man was telling me he thought the world of me just the week before he dumped me, wanting to fly me and take me to sea world, calling me repeatedly iF i did not answer, telling me not to give up what we have over the mistake at the store, and that he did not love her, he just cared about her welfare, yet to my knowledge she is back in..and I am on the curb?
I am so messed up....Even after our heated arguement, he wanted to remain friends..I told him f ur friendship, I see how you treat your friends. Man, I never even acted like that the first time around but infedility hits me hard.
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The apologies are real at the moment, and that is all they last is a moment, because he wants you back. He can't stand losing control of what he has control of.
Those precious few days things are good, that is called the honeymoon stage, then things progress to where your walking on egg shells, then the abuse stage, and it just keeps cycling around and around and each time it most likely gets worse.
Do yourself a favor and don't take him back.
I did not see any way,
in what you shared in
your thread, that you
were abusing him.
He's the standard,
classic, textbook
abuser.
I urge you to find and
start doing therapy,
with a counselor
whose specialty is
recovery from abuse.
If you can't find one or
can't afford one, I urge
you to find an Al-anon
group. They can be a
great source of support
and help for recovery.
You were very wise to
nix the "let's be friends"
ploy. That's just a way
to maintain control
over you.
Please get yourself some
clinical support.
Take care of yoursellf!
Hugs and healing thoughts.
lleneW, I honestly hope I did not abuse. I have been thru so much of it, I try to rise above it and not do it to others, but he said I ignored him and if I missed him, i would not have done that. He also said I was ungrateful to not take his offer of the trip and now he cancelled the flight there and those tickets are non refundable as he did not buy the insur ( 500.00 tickets and did not buy ins?) and what is the point of going to sea world by yourself, so now he is going to Mexico and going to just get away by himself, soooo no trip for me! Had to get that dig in. Oh and I did offer to reimburse that ticket and he threw it up in my face, I offered to reimburse the money fro the theatre tickets, and a pair of shoes he bought me, that just made him madder. So what can you do? I never needed his money, I have plenty of my own, I have a full time job, my own house, a vehicle. What I wanted from him was honesty, respect and genuine feelings...three things he was incapable of providing. You would think that is not too much to ask....Thanks again for the awesome support here. Today has just been hard, not sure why, perhaps because he has someone and I once again am alone, with my integrity, but still alone. :(
You wrote:
he said I ignored him
THAT'S WHAT ABUSERS DO.
They accuse their victim of
doing the abusing.
You were the abused,
NOT the abuser.
I think the world of you. I am sorry I dont know how to show it better.
This can be I am sorry I fell so hard for you but it just isnt working? You need it simple? You should thiink the world of me. I am sorry you dont know how to show it better?
Wow, my brain is fried...and I dont even have a reason for it to be. How this man can be so cunning and be on the scripts he is not to mention the recreational fun times he has and function like he does, is beyond amazing. Heck I dont get enough sleep and I can't think.
He was definitely projecting his BS onto you. It isn't you, I promise you that. And he's accusing you of all this drama and negativitiy in an attempt to subdue you and make you feel crazy so that you don't know which end is up or what to do. Then you'll be under his thumb where he can continue to provide you with all that "oh-so-nice criticism" and change you into what he wants you to be.
Don't buy his crap. Cut all ties. Don't give him a reason. Just plain and simple don't speak to him at all.
All that charm is how abusers reel you in. It's part of the process to get you hooked and caring for them so that they can prey upon your feelings and get you to a point where you are willing to ignore your gut instincts in order to please them.
Stay away from this guy and save yourself a lengthy, painful nightmare.
I'd cut all ties with him and block him from phoning, texting or emailing you.
If he was just being mean, it would be so much easier, but he does have issues that are medical so that is why I have put up with so much and why I did give him another chance.
He has told me (which I did not know going in the first time around) he has ADD, OCD, and Tourettes, so he is on a bunch of meds, which do alter his moods and even his physical symptoms. Just in the morning he takes at least 4 different pills to chill out.
These are some high dose pills to and he has told me if I took the amount of pills he does each day I could not function, then add his cocktail of what he takes just because he feels he might need an extra little something, and then smoke a little "medicinal" stuff throughout the day, well I am not sure that he can be rational in his thinking? Of course if you were to ask him, he would say, I need to take something, I need to go to the doctor, I am the one who needs to get sorted out and fixed. :(
Anyway, now he doesn't have to fix me, I am not his "project' as he likes to call it. She is. :)
Thanks again for all the support here...