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Was just wondering if you guys can give me some insight? I
I am seeing a therapist now and it has helped, though I am still healing. Recently I have been having some thoughts--I realized I am a very reactive person, and I want to fix that. When something happens, instead digesting the situation and being wise, I tend to call my parents or brothers and vent.
The incidents I told you of my ex were the very worst of him. The very worst.
And through my reactive nature, my engagement broke, for better or for worse. I keep blaming myself. I was very immature and should have been more sensitive to his insecurities. I sometimes feel like fate saved him from me, not the other way around.
For the engagement outfit, when he kept insisting if it was my taste or not, I asked my mom what I should say. I knew he was sensitive, but I wanted to give him my honesty too. My mom suggested that I say it isn't my taste but say it in a kind way though deep inside I knew he would get upset since he is very sensitive and takes things very personally.
Just like when he gifted me his mother's bangle, he asked if I liked it and I said, "It's so pretty! It's not the type of jewelry I'm used to wearing, but it is super pretty." And he got upset and said, "Well we can switch it with another one of my mom's bangles" and I said "No it's fine! I love this one." And whenever he was upset that I didn't show him enough love he'd ask if I was wearing the bangle, and sulk if I wasn't (because I had taken it off to work out). And if I was wearing it he would laugh and say he's just messing with me, he "set me up" to "mess with" me.
So anyways I thought, I guess my mom knows better. And I texted him kindly that "It's very pretty. Not what I'm used to but very pretty. I appreciate everything you have done for me," and he texted back, "Jeez. you don't like anything our family likes. Well I don't like your taste--old style, auntyish and oversized." And I texted, "Well you asked for my honesty jaan (meaning "my life", an endearing term), I'm sorry I didn't mean to hurt you," and he said, "It's okay don't worry about it. I'll just tell my mom that I don't like it that way it doesn't come from you." I told him please don't, tried calling, but no response. And as I was going out the door (my cousin just came so we were going out together), he texted, "You called?" I didn't respond until after I came back from the movies.
My mom texted and said that it was wrong of him to get upset, he shouldn't be that sensitive. Clothes are a HUGE deal for my mom. Huge. She has always bought my clothes growing up and said she has a particular taste. So she was saying that it was wrong for him to force his taste on me (I could care less. I don't really have an eye for what is good clothing and what isn't). I shouldn't have brought my mom in.
I was very bogged down by the entire ordeal, so I just texted him after I got back instead of calling. We talk every night. He is a man who doesn't like change. That was my mistake--I should have called and we should have cleared everything right then and there. Even when he had work the next morning he always called. Even when he had to get up super early he called--he was so caring.
Instead I texted, "Hey I'm sorry you were upset by me and that I hurt you when I said it wasn't what I was used to. I'm happy to wear whatever your family gifts me, which is why I wasn't even going to say anything until you kept insisting for my thoughts. It did suck however when you belittled my taste then and called it auntyish and oversized. That wasn't nice. Anyways, goodnight."
And I didn't get a response, though I knew it was read because it was through whatsapp--I could see he read it. The next day, I checked my phone. Still no response. I wanted so badly to call. My mom said, "Don't call until he realizes his mistake" and "if you don't stand up for yourself he will always think he can walk all over you." I wanted SO badly to call. That was our script. We don't ever go on not talking to each other, even for two hours. He always called. Always.
So I was on Facebook, I changed my profile picture (not to spite him like he said. But yes perhaps I wanted him to see it because I wanted him to know I was waiting and missed him).
He texted in the early evening, "Hi. Is everything okay?"
I said "yah."
He said, "So you could be on facebook but not call me? I'm not stupid you changed your profile pic to get my attention. You look like you came out of a mental hospital in that picture. You know I liked the other one better. Whatever. I'm so pissed at you. We talk every night, and yet you kept feeling sorry for yourself so you didn't call me at all over a stupid piece of cloth. Nothing we get you is your style. We are doing the best we can. Had you called last night, we could have worked this out. I'm more pissed at the fact you didn't call. I'm a fool for caring too much, my bad. Things will change now. If you can be stubborn so can I."
I said, "Jaan I was just upset that you asked for my honesty and then got upset when I gave it, and then disrespected my taste."
He said, "HOW DID I DISRESPECT YOU? Everything I say is disrespect to you or your family. I'm not going to say anything anymore since everything offends you, everything belittles you. Had you called last night and we talked, like we always do, we could have worked this out. I'm more pissed at the fact that you chose to feel sorry for yourself instead and didn't call me the whole day over a stupid piece of cloth. Are you that sensitive? "
I said, "Jaan you were sensitive when I said that cloth wasn't what I was used to. I never intended to disrespect you, and yet you disrespected me."
And he said, "You're still stuck on that???"
And when he called he said, "You're so immature. So stubborn. I could care less if you wipe your butt with the cloth! We are doing the best we can! And yet you say it's not your style or not your taste! It doesn't work like that...marriage doesn't work like that!!!"
I said, "I wasn't asking for anything different" and "I'm sorry. Okay I understand. I'm sorry."
He said, "No you don't understand. Just like the hooka ordeal, when I said I wanted you to come with me, you thought how could you go to a hooka bar? It makes you uncomfortable but you can't do that for me? You kept thinking you would never go to a hooka bar! You didn't once think of me, how would he feel if I don't come with him? Just like here. If I don't call, how would he feel? Even when you're upset I still call to see if you're ok but when the chance came for you, where were you??"
I texted my mom the conversation (besides the hooka ordeal. I was so embarrassed I gave in to that when he said I had to go with him) She said, ""Is it true that he always calls?" I said yes. And she said, "You shouldn't bring me in for such small issues then. Just resolve it. Say sorry."
I kept apologizing then. But he kept going on and on, "Instead you chose to feel sorry for yourself!!! Are you that sensitive? Did I YELL at you ? Did I HIT you? What did I do to you??? What if something happened to me? What if I didn't call or text because I was sick or got hurt? You'd have to live with that for the rest of your life!!! I didn't realize you were so stubborn, you can't see past your own nose.You're so arrogant, egocentric, and immature!!! I didn't call last night because you went out with your cousin and so I waited for you to get back. No response .Instead you send a text, when you know that we should not communicate over text and you misread MY text. It's like when I tell my little niece not to do something and she still does it...why can't you learn??! You're not 3...act like it! I'm SO afraid of your sensitivity!!! Can I even ask you to take food out for me without you getting upset that I disrespected you in front of my parents?? Jeez I'm so afraid of your sensitivity. I didn't know you were THIS sensitive!"
I kept apologizing and he said, "I'm at work. Everyone is looking at me from their window. God. How embarrassing. I'm done. I don't know if I want this anymore, if this is how you are, so stubborn. Whatever I'm done. I'm at work I'll call later. You can take your ego elsewhere I'll find someone else to love me." And hung up.
And then I cried to my mom. She said, "It was wrong for him to say he doesn't want this anymore and hang up. You know what? What if I don't want this anymore? How dare he say that? That one time in the beginning when you said you wanted space, since there was fighting between the families, he blew it up and told his parents and things became big. I need to take steps too now."
and I told her to calm down, and that we will talk and clear this ourselves.
He called back to say, "I hate yelling at my best friend. Ruins my whole day. Do you think I LIKE yelling at my best friend? Do you think I LIKE yelling at you? You're my best friend dude. You're my jaan. I just got frustrated."
He was upset bc I was in Canada for family issues. He was so afraid of "losing me" and said that my parents failed to protect me under their guardianship and when I come down for the engagement he wasn't going to let me go, he was up for 3 nights worrying.
I should have been more understanding--he was scared and frustrated and that is why he was angry. Same with my education goals--I may have come off too strong. I didn't think I did but he did and that's why he said I couldn't take classes because he was afraid I'd get too involved in my education and neglect the family, just like his aunt did.
I was wrong. I truly believe I was immature.
Nonetheless.
In the evening he called to go over the wedding program. He said, "Alright babe, let's do this," and then said, "Excuse me. Alright, let's do this." I was quiet. And then he said, "You know you're stupid right?" I was quiet. He said, "Over a stupid piece of cloth you were so upset?" I said, "I didn't ask for anything different. I could care less what I wear." After the wedding program he said, "So you are okay with you wearing what we gift you?" I said, "Of course. Yes." He said, "What if I don't want you to wear that? What if I want you to wear what you want?" I said, "That would be cool too." and then he said, "What if I don't want you to wear anything?" and then started laughing and said, "It's that kind of night. I want you. I wish the wedding was this weekend." My grandma called me so I excused myself, and then when I came back a minute later to the phone-- he had hung up. I tried calling back, no response. Again tried calling back, no response. He texted, "I don't want to talk to you" I said why he said he was still mad. I was so confused.
The next day when we talked, I talked about how sorry I was. I was honestly trying to give him space when I didn't call him two nights ago since he didn't respond to the text message, and I wanted so badly to call him the next day but he didn't respond so I didn't know what to think. I said I loved him a lot and I think we need time to understand each other's wave lengths. He was upset but said "Got it."
We tried talking again, through text and calls but it was different--he was aloof and still upset. I gave him space.
My mom then texted me saying that there are two designs for the wedding dress. She asked me which one I liked better, and said to ask My ex too to make amends and try to bridge the gap.
I texted him. And he said, "Choice B. It's your wedding day--you should wear more bedazzle." I said cool. He then asked me to call him. I did. He said, "Hey we're going out of town for wedding shopping. Since this is a gift from us to you and we are paying for it, let me just pick it out if you want. I'll text you pictures of different designs. Or if you want the design to come from your family that's fine too. You decide."
I could care less but I was just stuck in the middle of this political game. It was decided amongst elders that there was to be a budget for us to pick our clothes. My ex was to pick out his suit and shoes and watch based on our budget, and I was to do the same.
This concept was foreign to their family, but it is how our family works. His mother was making all the other outfits for all the other occasions.
I said, "Respectfully I want it to come from my mom." And he got so mad. He said, "It's a gift! I don't understand! Just like how you told me that for the wedding, since it is from your guys' side, that you didn't want me controlling everything. Same here! The wedding dress is from us! So let it come from us! But instead it was your mom's fault for asking for a budget. You don't understand how hurt my mom is. When we go wedding shopping I will hide her gaze away from the shops because you don't understand how hurt she is that she can't design your dress like she did for her other daughter in law."
I said don't disrespect my mother please it is not her fault, this is how it's done in my family, and how people in our community do it too, and he said, "I'm not insulting your mom. Why does everything I say insult your family? I could care less how people in your family do it!!!" and the more I tried explaining the angrier he got and said "Whatever. You can wipe your butt with the cloth I could care less. This is a ceremony for just three hours and you're making such a stupid deal out of the dress. I don't understand you. I'm so frustrated by you. Even for the engagement outfit, you said you wanted to give me space but I know better. You're just egocentric and stubborn. Whatever. I'm done. I could care less. I'll have my mom call you for clothing now" and he hung up.
I cried to my mom (stupid me) and she said she will think about things. She called my aunt (one who studied psychology) and my aunt said, "Don't you see? His emotional remote control is run by his mother. If she's upset, he is upset. Life for her will be hell because it will always be his mother's input over hers. She doesn't realize how complicated life is...and if he's making such an issue over a dress, where guys should not even care about this, what will happen in the future?" (I did not know this conversation happened until later. But after this conversation, my mom became Mama Bear and said she is taking the reigns, it was not my decision anymore).
He called me back and said, "I love you." I was crying so he said, "Do you have a cold? You should get yourself checked jaan." I was quiet. He said, "Were you crying? Aw...*sigh* alright tell me what's wrong. What did I do now? If only you were crying because you missed me, not because I upset you. Have you seen Hulk? I'm like Hulk. Calm me down. Put water on the fire instead of getting defensive and start talking about how things are done in Your community or your family...that just made me angrier. Don't let me embarrass myself and say something I regret later. Be my cool. Be my water. When you're fire, I will be your water too. That's how marriage works."
And then he called back later and said that they're going shopping soon. He told me to text pictures of styles I like to respect my taste. But he said, "You look shorter in flowly clothes. You just wear flowy clothes to hide something but you're not good at hiding it. My sister in law was saying that you're not short, when you guys were standing next to each other. I realized it was just that you wear flowy clothes. Makes you look shorter." I said I know, my mom says the same thing, but I like it. He said fine. I texted him pictures. He said he wasn't going to let me come to Canada anymore bc the "cold is making you crazy" and iim surrounded by too much family.
Later on he called and asked if things are good between us. I said yes. We said I love you.
My mom called his mom in the car ride, which I didn't know. He texted saying he cannot believe me. That we have just been like this for two days and I just cried to my mom and he has never been so embarrassed in front of his parents. He said he's 28, not 8, and getting parents involved is very childish and immature.
We had a mediator come in btwn. She put me on mute while I listened in. He was talking about how immature I am, how inconsiderate I am, and they're picking gifts out for us and that I sent him such endearing texts, and I kept leading him on. And when the mediator brought up the clothing ordeal he interrupted her and said, "You know Mariam called me fat? Can you imagine the pain I'm in? She also asked me to change my hairstyle too!" I never did. He asked me if I wanted him to lose weight. I said we can work out together, since I need to lose weight too. He asked me if I liked his new hairstyle. I said yes.
And it spiraled downwards from there. He kept blaming me but in between would say, "I'm honestly trying to see why you blew this up so big. Over a text message you misread when remember we decided not to text, to call. Had you called none of this would have happened."
And then, "I'm sincerely trying to see how I could have been better, what I could have done differently. I told you you were the answer to my prayers. Did that mean nothing for you to lead me on and then break my heart? I honestly cared for you a lot. I really really cared for you. But you broke my heart. If you would have talked to me I could have changed, we could have made this work. But you let this spiral out of control, I hope you learned some things before the next guy comes around."
I feel like this was my fault--that I brought my mom in the picture over stupid stuff. I'm reactive. And I broke this. I keep blaming myself. In the midst of him changing and incorporating my taste in his shopping, I broke it. Over fights over two days, I broke it. I feel guilty.
Perhaps it will take a while for it to sink in he was abusive. I think part of it is forgiving myself,
Thoughts?
I am seeing a therapist now and it has helped, though I am still healing. Recently I have been having some thoughts--I realized I am a very reactive person, and I want to fix that. When something happens, instead digesting the situation and being wise, I tend to call my parents or brothers and vent.
The incidents I told you of my ex were the very worst of him. The very worst.
And through my reactive nature, my engagement broke, for better or for worse. I keep blaming myself. I was very immature and should have been more sensitive to his insecurities. I sometimes feel like fate saved him from me, not the other way around.
For the engagement outfit, when he kept insisting if it was my taste or not, I asked my mom what I should say. I knew he was sensitive, but I wanted to give him my honesty too. My mom suggested that I say it isn't my taste but say it in a kind way though deep inside I knew he would get upset since he is very sensitive and takes things very personally.
Just like when he gifted me his mother's bangle, he asked if I liked it and I said, "It's so pretty! It's not the type of jewelry I'm used to wearing, but it is super pretty." And he got upset and said, "Well we can switch it with another one of my mom's bangles" and I said "No it's fine! I love this one." And whenever he was upset that I didn't show him enough love he'd ask if I was wearing the bangle, and sulk if I wasn't (because I had taken it off to work out). And if I was wearing it he would laugh and say he's just messing with me, he "set me up" to "mess with" me.
So anyways I thought, I guess my mom knows better. And I texted him kindly that "It's very pretty. Not what I'm used to but very pretty. I appreciate everything you have done for me," and he texted back, "Jeez. you don't like anything our family likes. Well I don't like your taste--old style, auntyish and oversized." And I texted, "Well you asked for my honesty jaan (meaning "my life", an endearing term), I'm sorry I didn't mean to hurt you," and he said, "It's okay don't worry about it. I'll just tell my mom that I don't like it that way it doesn't come from you." I told him please don't, tried calling, but no response. And as I was going out the door (my cousin just came so we were going out together), he texted, "You called?" I didn't respond until after I came back from the movies.
My mom texted and said that it was wrong of him to get upset, he shouldn't be that sensitive. Clothes are a HUGE deal for my mom. Huge. She has always bought my clothes growing up and said she has a particular taste. So she was saying that it was wrong for him to force his taste on me (I could care less. I don't really have an eye for what is good clothing and what isn't). I shouldn't have brought my mom in.
I was very bogged down by the entire ordeal, so I just texted him after I got back instead of calling. We talk every night. He is a man who doesn't like change. That was my mistake--I should have called and we should have cleared everything right then and there. Even when he had work the next morning he always called. Even when he had to get up super early he called--he was so caring.
Instead I texted, "Hey I'm sorry you were upset by me and that I hurt you when I said it wasn't what I was used to. I'm happy to wear whatever your family gifts me, which is why I wasn't even going to say anything until you kept insisting for my thoughts. It did suck however when you belittled my taste then and called it auntyish and oversized. That wasn't nice. Anyways, goodnight."
And I didn't get a response, though I knew it was read because it was through whatsapp--I could see he read it. The next day, I checked my phone. Still no response. I wanted so badly to call. My mom said, "Don't call until he realizes his mistake" and "if you don't stand up for yourself he will always think he can walk all over you." I wanted SO badly to call. That was our script. We don't ever go on not talking to each other, even for two hours. He always called. Always.
So I was on Facebook, I changed my profile picture (not to spite him like he said. But yes perhaps I wanted him to see it because I wanted him to know I was waiting and missed him).
He texted in the early evening, "Hi. Is everything okay?"
I said "yah."
He said, "So you could be on facebook but not call me? I'm not stupid you changed your profile pic to get my attention. You look like you came out of a mental hospital in that picture. You know I liked the other one better. Whatever. I'm so pissed at you. We talk every night, and yet you kept feeling sorry for yourself so you didn't call me at all over a stupid piece of cloth. Nothing we get you is your style. We are doing the best we can. Had you called last night, we could have worked this out. I'm more pissed at the fact you didn't call. I'm a fool for caring too much, my bad. Things will change now. If you can be stubborn so can I."
I said, "Jaan I was just upset that you asked for my honesty and then got upset when I gave it, and then disrespected my taste."
He said, "HOW DID I DISRESPECT YOU? Everything I say is disrespect to you or your family. I'm not going to say anything anymore since everything offends you, everything belittles you. Had you called last night and we talked, like we always do, we could have worked this out. I'm more pissed at the fact that you chose to feel sorry for yourself instead and didn't call me the whole day over a stupid piece of cloth. Are you that sensitive? "
I said, "Jaan you were sensitive when I said that cloth wasn't what I was used to. I never intended to disrespect you, and yet you disrespected me."
And he said, "You're still stuck on that???"
And when he called he said, "You're so immature. So stubborn. I could care less if you wipe your butt with the cloth! We are doing the best we can! And yet you say it's not your style or not your taste! It doesn't work like that...marriage doesn't work like that!!!"
I said, "I wasn't asking for anything different" and "I'm sorry. Okay I understand. I'm sorry."
He said, "No you don't understand. Just like the hooka ordeal, when I said I wanted you to come with me, you thought how could you go to a hooka bar? It makes you uncomfortable but you can't do that for me? You kept thinking you would never go to a hooka bar! You didn't once think of me, how would he feel if I don't come with him? Just like here. If I don't call, how would he feel? Even when you're upset I still call to see if you're ok but when the chance came for you, where were you??"
I texted my mom the conversation (besides the hooka ordeal. I was so embarrassed I gave in to that when he said I had to go with him) She said, ""Is it true that he always calls?" I said yes. And she said, "You shouldn't bring me in for such small issues then. Just resolve it. Say sorry."
I kept apologizing then. But he kept going on and on, "Instead you chose to feel sorry for yourself!!! Are you that sensitive? Did I YELL at you ? Did I HIT you? What did I do to you??? What if something happened to me? What if I didn't call or text because I was sick or got hurt? You'd have to live with that for the rest of your life!!! I didn't realize you were so stubborn, you can't see past your own nose.You're so arrogant, egocentric, and immature!!! I didn't call last night because you went out with your cousin and so I waited for you to get back. No response .Instead you send a text, when you know that we should not communicate over text and you misread MY text. It's like when I tell my little niece not to do something and she still does it...why can't you learn??! You're not 3...act like it! I'm SO afraid of your sensitivity!!! Can I even ask you to take food out for me without you getting upset that I disrespected you in front of my parents?? Jeez I'm so afraid of your sensitivity. I didn't know you were THIS sensitive!"
I kept apologizing and he said, "I'm at work. Everyone is looking at me from their window. God. How embarrassing. I'm done. I don't know if I want this anymore, if this is how you are, so stubborn. Whatever I'm done. I'm at work I'll call later. You can take your ego elsewhere I'll find someone else to love me." And hung up.
And then I cried to my mom. She said, "It was wrong for him to say he doesn't want this anymore and hang up. You know what? What if I don't want this anymore? How dare he say that? That one time in the beginning when you said you wanted space, since there was fighting between the families, he blew it up and told his parents and things became big. I need to take steps too now."
and I told her to calm down, and that we will talk and clear this ourselves.
He called back to say, "I hate yelling at my best friend. Ruins my whole day. Do you think I LIKE yelling at my best friend? Do you think I LIKE yelling at you? You're my best friend dude. You're my jaan. I just got frustrated."
He was upset bc I was in Canada for family issues. He was so afraid of "losing me" and said that my parents failed to protect me under their guardianship and when I come down for the engagement he wasn't going to let me go, he was up for 3 nights worrying.
I should have been more understanding--he was scared and frustrated and that is why he was angry. Same with my education goals--I may have come off too strong. I didn't think I did but he did and that's why he said I couldn't take classes because he was afraid I'd get too involved in my education and neglect the family, just like his aunt did.
I was wrong. I truly believe I was immature.
Nonetheless.
In the evening he called to go over the wedding program. He said, "Alright babe, let's do this," and then said, "Excuse me. Alright, let's do this." I was quiet. And then he said, "You know you're stupid right?" I was quiet. He said, "Over a stupid piece of cloth you were so upset?" I said, "I didn't ask for anything different. I could care less what I wear." After the wedding program he said, "So you are okay with you wearing what we gift you?" I said, "Of course. Yes." He said, "What if I don't want you to wear that? What if I want you to wear what you want?" I said, "That would be cool too." and then he said, "What if I don't want you to wear anything?" and then started laughing and said, "It's that kind of night. I want you. I wish the wedding was this weekend." My grandma called me so I excused myself, and then when I came back a minute later to the phone-- he had hung up. I tried calling back, no response. Again tried calling back, no response. He texted, "I don't want to talk to you" I said why he said he was still mad. I was so confused.
The next day when we talked, I talked about how sorry I was. I was honestly trying to give him space when I didn't call him two nights ago since he didn't respond to the text message, and I wanted so badly to call him the next day but he didn't respond so I didn't know what to think. I said I loved him a lot and I think we need time to understand each other's wave lengths. He was upset but said "Got it."
We tried talking again, through text and calls but it was different--he was aloof and still upset. I gave him space.
My mom then texted me saying that there are two designs for the wedding dress. She asked me which one I liked better, and said to ask My ex too to make amends and try to bridge the gap.
I texted him. And he said, "Choice B. It's your wedding day--you should wear more bedazzle." I said cool. He then asked me to call him. I did. He said, "Hey we're going out of town for wedding shopping. Since this is a gift from us to you and we are paying for it, let me just pick it out if you want. I'll text you pictures of different designs. Or if you want the design to come from your family that's fine too. You decide."
I could care less but I was just stuck in the middle of this political game. It was decided amongst elders that there was to be a budget for us to pick our clothes. My ex was to pick out his suit and shoes and watch based on our budget, and I was to do the same.
This concept was foreign to their family, but it is how our family works. His mother was making all the other outfits for all the other occasions.
I said, "Respectfully I want it to come from my mom." And he got so mad. He said, "It's a gift! I don't understand! Just like how you told me that for the wedding, since it is from your guys' side, that you didn't want me controlling everything. Same here! The wedding dress is from us! So let it come from us! But instead it was your mom's fault for asking for a budget. You don't understand how hurt my mom is. When we go wedding shopping I will hide her gaze away from the shops because you don't understand how hurt she is that she can't design your dress like she did for her other daughter in law."
I said don't disrespect my mother please it is not her fault, this is how it's done in my family, and how people in our community do it too, and he said, "I'm not insulting your mom. Why does everything I say insult your family? I could care less how people in your family do it!!!" and the more I tried explaining the angrier he got and said "Whatever. You can wipe your butt with the cloth I could care less. This is a ceremony for just three hours and you're making such a stupid deal out of the dress. I don't understand you. I'm so frustrated by you. Even for the engagement outfit, you said you wanted to give me space but I know better. You're just egocentric and stubborn. Whatever. I'm done. I could care less. I'll have my mom call you for clothing now" and he hung up.
I cried to my mom (stupid me) and she said she will think about things. She called my aunt (one who studied psychology) and my aunt said, "Don't you see? His emotional remote control is run by his mother. If she's upset, he is upset. Life for her will be hell because it will always be his mother's input over hers. She doesn't realize how complicated life is...and if he's making such an issue over a dress, where guys should not even care about this, what will happen in the future?" (I did not know this conversation happened until later. But after this conversation, my mom became Mama Bear and said she is taking the reigns, it was not my decision anymore).
He called me back and said, "I love you." I was crying so he said, "Do you have a cold? You should get yourself checked jaan." I was quiet. He said, "Were you crying? Aw...*sigh* alright tell me what's wrong. What did I do now? If only you were crying because you missed me, not because I upset you. Have you seen Hulk? I'm like Hulk. Calm me down. Put water on the fire instead of getting defensive and start talking about how things are done in Your community or your family...that just made me angrier. Don't let me embarrass myself and say something I regret later. Be my cool. Be my water. When you're fire, I will be your water too. That's how marriage works."
And then he called back later and said that they're going shopping soon. He told me to text pictures of styles I like to respect my taste. But he said, "You look shorter in flowly clothes. You just wear flowy clothes to hide something but you're not good at hiding it. My sister in law was saying that you're not short, when you guys were standing next to each other. I realized it was just that you wear flowy clothes. Makes you look shorter." I said I know, my mom says the same thing, but I like it. He said fine. I texted him pictures. He said he wasn't going to let me come to Canada anymore bc the "cold is making you crazy" and iim surrounded by too much family.
Later on he called and asked if things are good between us. I said yes. We said I love you.
My mom called his mom in the car ride, which I didn't know. He texted saying he cannot believe me. That we have just been like this for two days and I just cried to my mom and he has never been so embarrassed in front of his parents. He said he's 28, not 8, and getting parents involved is very childish and immature.
We had a mediator come in btwn. She put me on mute while I listened in. He was talking about how immature I am, how inconsiderate I am, and they're picking gifts out for us and that I sent him such endearing texts, and I kept leading him on. And when the mediator brought up the clothing ordeal he interrupted her and said, "You know Mariam called me fat? Can you imagine the pain I'm in? She also asked me to change my hairstyle too!" I never did. He asked me if I wanted him to lose weight. I said we can work out together, since I need to lose weight too. He asked me if I liked his new hairstyle. I said yes.
And it spiraled downwards from there. He kept blaming me but in between would say, "I'm honestly trying to see why you blew this up so big. Over a text message you misread when remember we decided not to text, to call. Had you called none of this would have happened."
And then, "I'm sincerely trying to see how I could have been better, what I could have done differently. I told you you were the answer to my prayers. Did that mean nothing for you to lead me on and then break my heart? I honestly cared for you a lot. I really really cared for you. But you broke my heart. If you would have talked to me I could have changed, we could have made this work. But you let this spiral out of control, I hope you learned some things before the next guy comes around."
I feel like this was my fault--that I brought my mom in the picture over stupid stuff. I'm reactive. And I broke this. I keep blaming myself. In the midst of him changing and incorporating my taste in his shopping, I broke it. Over fights over two days, I broke it. I feel guilty.
Perhaps it will take a while for it to sink in he was abusive. I think part of it is forgiving myself,
Thoughts?
It doesn't make you responsible or at fault for his abuse. The abuse is not justified by your relationship problems and your sharing with your mom.
Thoughts will come, but you can put them in the right group. Oh, that belongs to the relationship group, the next belongs to the abuse group.
It is a red flag for me if my partner does not want me to communicate with my support group/family. Isolation is tactic my former abusers used.
That is the psychological abuse talking. You are always at fault for the situation and can never reach the good. And you conclude that you cause the bad because you are bad and you need this big and wonderful man next to you. It's an abusive game.
Healing for you is letting go of ""what could have been if I had not..."". He blew it. Not you.
Two contradictions - ""I will call later"" and ""I am done (...and hung up) - I will call later is the possibility and you will be waiting. And I am done and the rest is to make you feel guilty and act like he is ending it, and it is final. But it's part of the cycle of psychological abuse and it very confusing.
It sounds to me like you were continually walking on eggshells. I didn't even have to finish reading your post to sense that.
I agree w/all of the other posters. It's NOT you.
Brava to you for seeking therapy to help you with your healing and growth!!
But it's a process. I'm glad to know that it wasn't my fault in your guys' eyes, that I didn't make him abusive knowing he was sensitive and I pushed the wrong buttons, and hopefully I'll believeil it too.
What would have happened if you didn't talk to your mother at all? (Not that I think you shouldn't have, I agree with the others who talked about the necessity of a support network and your absolute right to tell YOUR business to whomever you choose). Just on the engagement dress, he begged you for honesty, which gave you two choices - either give him what he's asking for, or lie to him. You gave him what he asked for and he lost it at you for daring to do as he asked you to. What if you had lied to him? The truth is, he knows what your taste is, he would have known you were lying to him and would have found a way to get you to admit to lying to him - and then he would have lost it at you for not only daring to have "horrible" taste, but also not trusting him enough to even be honest with him.
Abusers like this guy are constantly setting up lose/lose situations. The jewellery, the engagement outfit and the wedding dress were all situations that were engineered such that there was nothing you could have said or done that wouldn't have given him an excuse to be angry with you. That's his method of control, and it was working. He blew up at you for doing what he asked you to do (be honest about whether the outfit was to your taste, when I'm quite sure he knew it wasn't) and you then spent days and days apologising. Again, if it really were you, shouldn't he have accepted your apology and let it go? But that was never going to happen, because it was the apologies and you being more and more beaten down that he wanted, he didn't want the situation resolved.
Again, if it was just the fact he is sensitive and you weren't careful enough of his feelings (though again, I'm not sure how you COULD be more careful of his feelings than you were), then that still doesn't give him the right to be completely cavalier with your own feelings, nor does he get to have the double standard of "how dare you ever even consider thinking something I might not agree with when you know how sensitive I am" while at the same time criticising you for the "fault" of being sensitive. If he truly WERE sensitive, he'd recognise it as a virtue not a flaw, and would be careful of your feelings as well, not just of his own desires.
Nowhere in any of the exchanges you have put is there any room at all, ever, for what you want, think or feel. You are to leave all of that at the gate, because (according to him), marriage is about he and his family deciding what you want, think, feel, do, say, wear, etc etc etc. That's stripping you of your autonomy and humanity - that's abuse.
@treehugger- thanks for sharing and I can already see how brave you are by pointing out all your concerns and bringing them to light.
His sensitivity was more on why I didn't call him, not just the outfit. Why I chose to ignore him until he called me. My mom advised that I don't call until he does because otherwise he will get a free pass to walk all over me especially since I sent that apology text and no response. He read that as arrogance and blew up and called me those names and said "wipe you ur butt with the cloth I could care less" comment and "I'll find someone else to love me" comment.
I'm still not wrong? If I called him like we always do, we alwalys talk, would it have helped?
Either way though, nothing changes the fact he wants you to bend yourself to his sensitivity, while calling yours a flaw. Why is it that you beat yourself up because you "know he's sensitive" and therefore feel you should have to change every aspect of your being so as not to upset that sensitivity, yet at the same time it's ok for him to attack your sensitivity? "Are you THAT sensitive?" and "I'm so afraid of your sensitivity" like it's some kind of weapon you use - and there's the point. He uses (fake) sensitivity as a weapon, so he sees your (real) sensitivity in the same way. He sees you genuinely being upset, and equates it with his manipulative anger. He assumes that you are using your sensitivity to trap him - because that's what he's doing to you. It's pure projection.
********** "If I called him like we always do, we alwalys talk, would it have helped?"************
Depends on who or what you mean by "helped". Yes, it would have helped his feeling of control over you. And maybe it would have (for that reason) given the "relationship" a sense of stability for a while. Until the next time. But it's a bit like being in a boat that is springing constant leaks - you can plug one (and calling him may well have plugged one leak), but it hardly solves the problem. And in the case of an abusive relationship, the leaks start to spring larger and faster as time goes on, until you find you have to try to pick which one you are going to stop, but no matter what you do, the ship is going to sink. What you did may just have avoided a great deal more superhuman effort to plug leak after leak after leak, all while the ship sinks around you anyway.
I'm going to bump up a couple of posts (yeah, they're mine, shameless self promotion lol) that I hope may help you understand what was going on and why you are not at fault. Even though phoning him that time may have helped him in the short term.
But I guess I realize now that I was always the one giving in. Fine, I'll go to hooka with you though it makes me uncomfortable. I told you I'd go to sports games with you, but that wasn't enough, I had to go to hooka to PROVE I'm not stubborn. Fine, I'll have kids right away instead of finishing my education. Fine, I will dress differently for you. Fine, I'm immature and sensitive and need to stop romanticizing things like I always do with my writing and art. Fine, I'll work in your business instead of finishing my education so you won't be emasculated. Fine, we will live with your parents. Fine, you said I could decorate upstairs and be expressive but now we can do that together, under your umbrella.
he will lose weight for me
He will change his hairstyle for me
He won't control the wedding ceremony (though my parents were paying for it, and he was still controlling the program and the time allotted for things).
I never said he needed to do those things. It was self-imposed, but he always blamed me for these things to prove I want to change him too, so I shouldn't complain when he asked me to change.