Thank you very much, Jamin, for a very thorough and informative response. I appreciate your input and will pass it along to my parents, together with the links to web sites re: info. about Mr. Coleman for future discussion between us. Again, many thanks!

Thank you Jamin for saying so eloquently what l was trying to state.

Everyone remember, it does take years to develope pd, l have heard that when you start experiencing the symtoms it means you have had pd for about 5 years. Therefore it takes possibly quite a long time to become symptom free.

Reasons for love and laughter, are because these actions generate the feel good chemicals, dompamine.

So love laugh and be happy, be calm, and believe that you can be cured ;)

Without reference or application to any names mentioned in this discussion, I stand by my recommendation to all: educate yourselves with open minds about alternative paths to improving or regaining health, but remain cautious, stay vigilant, don't fall prey to scams while exploring options that lead to any degree of help for yourself or your loved ones.

For those interested, this web site has saved my parents a lot of money (not to mention yo-yo'ing of emotions) in our quest for help, recovery programs, and cures: www.quackwatch.org.

Sadly, for some, the time to laugh has passed, whether forever or for the time being. However, together, we should never lose hope.

Dear SandHarbour3, I agree with your words - "Without reference or application to any names mentioned in this discussion, I stand by my recommendation to all: educate yourselves with open minds about alternative paths to improving or regaining health, but remain cautious, stay vigilant, don't fall prey to scams while exploring options that lead to any degree of help for yourself or your loved ones."
I have hesitated to join this discussion on the grounds that it could seem to be "blowing my own trumpet" without foundation.
However, let me be clear. I did not CURE myself of PD and MSA. I have not, cannot, and will not CURE anyone.
In fact, there is no CURE for any disease or any person in this world. Many forms of medicine can reduce or remove SYMPTOMS, but cannot cure disease. (Did you know that the "cure" time for cancer is set at five years because most people relapse after 8 years?).
Western medicine offers great relief from many symptoms and can, at times, save our lives. I have benefitted from Western medicine from time to time and often recomend wise use of it to my clients. The challenge we have is blind faith in Western Medicine's ability to find cures for disease when it patently can't, never has, and never will.
RECOVERY (if you check the dictionary) means getting something back. In my case, I regained my health, and furthermore, gained a great deal of knowledge about myself, my family, my friends and various forms of medicine.
Yes, there are other people who have recovered, and many who have reduced their symptoms. They have chosen to remain private because of the sort of publicity surrounding my story and the vociferous abuse I have received from members of the single-minded Western medical profession and their followers. I must admit that there have been times when I have considered retirement (I am nearly 66) because of the fierce opposition applied.
I have offered my experience, body, time and knowledge to PD societies, neurologists, universities and colleges (with no charge) but, up until now, have been met by silence or rudeness.
However, Deakin University and the Lewis Institute have now formed a partnership with the Neuro Recovery Foundataion (NRF) to conduct a rigorous trial of one of the remedies I recomened. I am hoping this will lead to further rigorous research in the future. NRF still has to find $25,000 to fund the trial, but the open support of such prestigeous bodies is a good omen. I founded the NRF in 2002 to support this sort of research.
I also have plans to write the stories of those who have recovered from PD, MS and other "nasties" (with changed names, of course), but lack the time and money at the moment. Far from scamming people out of lots of money, I live on the Australian Aged Pension, plus some modest income from my practice. I do not own a house or any property at all, drive an aging motor car and live simply.
I hope that my work, and the money I have spent on research and delivering my message of self-reliance and self-healing will help a few more people before I allow my weariness to persuade me into retirement.
Thankyou Peachybum for your support. Yes, both Bruce Lipton and Norman Doidge support my work principles, and their research brings joy to my heart.
Love yourselves without condition, laugh 100 times every day, meditate daily, eat excellent food and stay well.
John Coleman ND

for sandharbor3

to john and peachybum,
about the Laughter: didn't you say that even pretending to laugh (in reference to "Sadly, for some, the time to laugh has passed, whether forever or for the time being. ") assists natural feel good chemicals in the body(ie dopamine production)? and that even if you cannot find something to laugh about naturally, that you should practice the action because that part of your brain doesn't know the difference and will still produce the good/needed chemicals for healing? did he tell you that too, peachybum? I would bet my life that this is where I heard it from originally and confirmed on some other websites...

thus the reasons for 'clown doctors' and the saying 'laughter is the best medicine...??? I think it's all connected

Dear John ("pdfree"),

My name is Iris. I appreciate your detailed response and assume, based on your response, that you have no objection to the precautions that those people with debilitating and/or terminal illnesses and their loved ones take and must take on their respective journeys. As a matter of fact, if I were in your position, I would welcome an educated patient or caregiver.

Admittedly, with all due respect, I am not convinced that one individual (or several) can be "pdfree" and, moreover, that all of the others beside yourself would prefer to remain silent when millions of others have suffered and continue to suffer, regardless of the methods pursued to achieve freedom from PD. To me, personally, it seems cruel and inhumane to not want to share such information with everyone and anyone who will listen. In this day and age, I find it difficult to believe that. I understand that is my personal opinion. I commend you for sharing your information and method with interested persons but hope others who are "pdfree" will also come forward publicly.


"pdfree" to me means that one is free of PD, whether that is by means of a cure or whatever term(s) are used. I do not want any of us to get caught up in terminology. Pure and simple, "pdfree" means free of PD. This claim, naturally, makes me skeptical, although I am very happy for you, and I mean this most sincerely, if you actually had PD and truly have become symptom-free of PD via your methods.

While I have a lot of issues myself with the medical community, let's be honest. There are many physicians who are highly competent, totally dedicated, very compassionate and most interested in finding a solution of any kind and to any degree with respect to PD, and not all are in it for the money, although it is a good and acceptable motivator. Can you understand how some/many of us who are not blind followers of your method or other methods find it difficult to understand how you can have a means of being "pdfree" while physicians and scientists turn their backs on you, as you stated with different words in your e-mail? Regardless of the arrogant, uncaring physicians whom I have, both personally and through my parents and others, encountered and heard about, I firmly believe that there are many who want to eradicate this horrible disease and enable their patients to be "pdfree." I am not a physician or otherwise connected to the medical professions, in case you or any other reader is wondering.

I do not (yet) understand how your method, based on my current understanding of it from countless hours of research/reading over the past few days, can restore or mimic the effect of restoring dopamine, the depletion of which, as we all know, is the key element in the onset/causation of PD. I will continue to educate myself with an open, yet critical, mind. I assume you are a proponent of self-empowerment and education.

I am not against you or your method, although it appears some people in this community seem to believe that I may be despite all of my efforts to verbalize my good intentions throught this discussion chain and others to make my thoughts so very clear. I will not feel or, directly or indirectly, be made to feel badly or guilty for doing so. We, as caregivers, have an obligation to be as objective about possible treatments as we are hopeful, loving and supportive to our loved ones.

In closing, thank you for your response and the information you provided to us all. I believe that much of what you say and write is most helpful but remain, at this time, cautious as I continue to research into, among other things, the possibilies of restoring health to people afflicted with PD without the restoration of dopamine.

I am still interested in hearing from others who have feedback to provide, whether it is via e-mail as some of you have done or via this public forum. I am receptive and willing to listen, and I'm always interested in learning. It is the primary reason for my presence in this community. Iris

SandHarbor3,

Please accept my apologizes for making you feel that I think you are against John and his methods. This was not my intent. You asked for people that knew John and/or have been treated by him. Like you, I am on here for my parent, in attempt to help them get well. As I stated in my very first note in this thread, and on this website, that I came here specifically due to your request when a friend of mine told me that she had come across it and knew that my dad was being treated by John. I have only been trying to be helpful to you. I am sorry that I have offended. My continued comments/notes have been to facilitate some of what I have learned, both through my own research on the subject of pd, and through John. I, too, was a skeptic when it first came to John and his methods. I, too, did not understand (and am still in the process of learning to understand). However, I am seeing the results through my dad using his ways and have continued to educate myself, as you and so many others on here are about pd. IMO, John welcomes both caregiver support and education. I think caution and education are essential, especially when it comes to ourselves or our elders that we love so much. I applaud you (all of us/you) for your/our efforts vs blindly taking info that we are presented. This is a support community; right? I thought I was supporting you by giving you info that may not be known to you, or current mainstream info, and by fulfilling your request of patients/families treated by John. Again, I'm sorry you have felt unheard by me.

i enjoyed your answer greatly John and feel rather sad that you have been rejected harshly for your views.

Remember tho

Copernicus was laughed at for stating that indeed the earth was not the centre of the universe. Genius for his time

Lamark a fantastic biologist was ridiculed for disputing the Darwin theory, but strangely seems to now be right

I think it will always be that we are so doctrinated into one regimented way of thinking, that when someone like John or Bruce Lipton comes along, and trys to show what they know, what they have researched, what they have had success with, what they have had experienced themselves, they get treated like all the free thinkers have been always treated.

Im proud that you have never given up John, Im happy you have been able to help people, and l believe in your way of thinking.

I think people are scared, protective of the people they love, scared to believe in hope , because they dont want to fail.

But if you think like this you do fail

Placebos (which is blind faith) can cure people. You are told you taking the cure, therefore you believe it and are therefore cured .

And yes as for laughter, l think if you force yourself to laugh, thats a good start, but maybe try switching off the negative things around you, like the Television, which always spurts out negative messages. Make a mission to not watch the bad things, to watch comedys , these things will make you laugh

I fully believe that John Coleman and Bruce Lipton are on the right track, and now will read about Norman Doidge .

Iris, I would love it if you had the time to read what Bruce Lipton professes. The details about our Cells how and why they can become damaged.

Its a great insight into how everything works, and makes amazing sense.

Very very interesting.

You write such intelligent opinions , you might indeed find the book rather inspirational

Jamin, thank you for your apology but there is no need to apologize.

I started out seeking specific information from/about people and how they have been helped by the methods/practices/therapies the aforementioned individual(s) proclaim are effective in making him/them free of PD.

I am still hopeful that part of this support group is to share what works and doesn't work in addition, of course, to being supportive to one another emotionally. I'd like to keep that as the focus of this discussion, if others agree and are willing to come forward to provide such information.

PeachyBum.
I am in the middle of Norman Doidge's book "The Brain that Changes Itself'. Is this the book that you are referring to in the above note? If so, it covers different topics with more real life examples and less of the 'science' than Bruce's "Biology of Belief" but both authors speak along the exact same lines of healing/recovery (and in line with John too). Doidge's book is awesome too, just in a different way.

SandHarbor.
I also agree with Peachybum that with your well written opinions that you too may find the book(s) inspriational. And Bruce's book (Biology of Belief) really breaks the science down more than any other that I've tried to read on disease/wellness within the cells and body. Hope you read and also find helpful.

Also, I don't know anybody else to ask them to come forward for you, otherwise I would. I can only tell you my dad's/our family's experience with pd, John, and the changes.


I wish you all well.!

I wish all of us well here , SandHarbor for her honest questioning, Jamin for her wonderful positive input, and me with pd

I must say that i am greatly enjoying this discussion! :) thank you all for your very intelligent and questioning input.

I havent read the Norman Doige Book as yet, but l will actively seek it when im back from my holiday. I will have to order the book online and patiently wait.

I honestly think that Bruce Liptons "Biology of Belief" is absolutely inspirational , l guess that is why it was rated the number one scientific book of 2006.

think outside the square (hope that isnt just an Australian saying)

Jamin and Peachybum,

I appreciate your suggestions re: inspirational books and have taken notes from these PD discussions for further and future research and reading.

At present, since my free time is so very limited and my mother's health continues to decline quickly and, therewith, my father's as well, I am focused on seeking ways to guide my parents in the right direction for the alleviation of at least some of my mother's pain and other PR-related symptoms that have robbed her and my father of all quality of life. I will make the time for inspirational readings, but, for now, I need to be proactive about helping my parents even if in merely small ways and from afar.

Jamin, I sincerely wish your father continued improvement and you, Peachybum, as well.

My $0.02.

100 bucks says John never had PD, he had something no doubt, but not PD. All you know is what he tells you.

If any obtain personal strength from his book, and it helps you to cope...by all means read on. I've had so far 1/2 dozen therapies offered to me, prayer, magnetic sleep systems, cell signal enhancers (all natural of course), pmag water (what a load of crap)...naturalistic, etc, all of these promoted in place of the vast medical/pharm conspiracy who of course know nothing of what they are doing.

Keep parkin'....but keep living.

C