Are you saying that these gentlemen have found a natural way to cure PD and that John Coleman actually was diagnosed with PD and now is PD-free? Thanks.

From what l have read with Bruce Lipton, and what l have learned from John Coleman , who both profess the same thing.

We are all under the illusion that drugs are the only thing to do, and we are all rather mislead in thinking that pd is incurable

If you read especially Bruce Liptons book, (and im not selling it)

I am just someone with pd, who refuses to believe that their is no cure.

And im doing my own research.

Also their is another friend of mine, that l have made on DS site, she has pd, and with undertaking the same line that these guys recommend she is making herself symptom free. and she does not even know John or has read Bruce Lipton (i believe)

Im saying explore the other avenues that are out there.

I have John's book but Peachy, I am confused, what is wrong with wheat and/or dairy? Thanks for the info.

Schells, i went and visited John for a more concise view into what he recommended. Apparently wheat and dairy line the gut, making it rather difficult to absorb nutrients from our diet. I have long known about dairy, after all milk is for baby cows, not for people.

I do struggle with giving up cheese tho.

We need to feed our body a correct diet, and these things stop us absorbing , we should eat as fresh as possible, to absorb nutirents, and as organic as possible, trying to elliminate chemicals from our body.

I think about the fruit and vegetables that l have access to, and they are from supermarkets (here in australia) who knows how long they have been dead for, maybe we are just eating something that looks like a vegetable or piece of fruit, but it doesnt have enough nutrients in it.

I have just read competely Bruce Liptons book and WOW what an eye opener

Fantastic claims need fantastic evidence.

C

I firmly believe that a cure will be found for PD and other diseases not yet cured or preventable.

I also believe strongly in the power of good nutrition, exercise, non-traditional medicine, and the power of belief and positive thinking.

However, I agree 100% with you, Canuk 2112. I hope those who claim to have found a cure and/or to have been cured speak up.

Here's my take on this- Parkinson's disease is such variable illness.
I know a gentlemen who has had the disease some 20. My wife has had the disease for less than 6 years and her symptoms are much worse than the gentlemen that I know. It maybe that some people respond to this treatment in the short term, but I would like to see if these fantastic claims hold up. There are some diseases that are just more open to these "claims". For example, R. artharitis, which can easily go into remission, with or without treatments. But I have no problem with people trying these claims out as long as they don't depend on them completely and quit taking their Parkinson's medicines.

Interesting comments, thank you.

I never once said that John coleman nor Bruce Lipton can cure PD.. John himself will also advise he has made himself symptom free.

Neither does Bruce Lipton state he can cure PD.

What l did state was that you fully 100% yourself need to believe that you can be cured.

Its the belief, its the refusal to believe what we have been indoctrinated with, when you are told something by a professional, we tend to treat their words as gospel!

If you really delve deep into biology and cell research, you will learn that the subconcious it a very powerful tool. We have been told we have pd, therefore we believe it.

If you really want to learn about genetics/ biology etc etc etc. You will learn that the mind, nutrition, less stress, and positive thinking, can change cells, can switch them on and off.

Traditional doctors/neuros dont believe this, as they have not been taught this way.

The USA medical association (im not really sure of the name) have in the past brought into disrepute many other healing modalities , they tried to do it to chiropractics, (because this is energy healing) and doesnt require medicine, just touch. So if no medicine is needed, wouldnt these pharmicutical companies go broke.

Why dont doctors/neuros look at why some people get pd and others dont, even when faced with the same set of circumstances.

All doctors do is look at the symptom and prescribe medicine , not the big holistic WHY!

that is so wrong, and very naive.

We with PD need to think for ourselves.

Thanks Peachy for your research -I agree it is so hard where I live to eat FRESH food but I try. I do very much believe in nutrition as a part of our PD healing. Did anyone see the article on PD and spinal cord electrical zaps in mice-brand new study today in newspaper.

Peachybum, I am not saying that you said that John Coleman has been cured. I am referring to his very own words. Please see the discussion titled "Parkinson's Implant Offers New Promise" and check out Reply 7 of 1/6/09 @ 6:20 pm by Mr. Coleman who goes by the name "pdfree." It states, in part, the following: "... Or have a look at my book, Stop Parkin' and Start Livin' for ideas that helped me recover and have helped others...
Cheers John Coleman ND".

Note the words "that helped me recover and have helped others". After I read that, I clicked on Mr. Coleman's screen name "pdfree" and read more of the same claim of being cured or recovered.

My point is simply that we all need to be careful with false allegations. My mother, who is gravely ill with PD despite only having shown signs of illness for 4-1/2 years (non-tremor "type" of PD but wil lots of pain) and has only been diagnosed for two years, is actively searching, as are my father and I, for any and all treatments or just slow down the progression if nothing else. She came across Medra, Inc. and it's claim of a cure and wanted to pursue it, after wanting to pursue other avenues before that. I dig deeper and find out that they are apparent scams, ways for people looking to cheat people out of $30,000+.

So, I'm truly not attacking you or even Mr. Coleman. I simply want to caution people about claims re: cures. Anytime I read that someone has been "cured" or has "recovered" from PD and other illnesses, I have both high hopes and a critical/analytical approach. I don't want ANYONE with PD or their loved ones and caregivers to fall prey.

I'm in this battle for my mother's life and all of yours with all of my heart and soul and, with all my heart and soul, I long for that day when someone truly comes along with a cure or vaccine or anything...I don't care if it's a pharmaceutical company(s), a naturalist, and/or some person who cooks up a cure in his/her basement on a fluke. What matters is that help is found for all of you AND that, in the interim, our hopes are high and our optimism continues. Many people's hopes and optimism can be harmed or even destroyed by years of yo-yo emotions because of people claiming to have been cured without any facts to back them up. I fear for that hope to be destroyed. That is my point by wanting Mr. Coleman to step up to the plate and defend his claims on this web site and, perhaps, elsewhere. I hope this helps explain my position. I'm COMPLETELY on the side of hope, optimism, cures, recovers, and, at the least, the slowing of progression. Please NEVER doubt that. Iris

Let me try a new and, hopefully, better and more positive/uplifting approach...

Does anyone in this Community know of anyone who has been helped or cured by Mr. Coleman's alleged recovery program? If so, how? I would LOVE to hear success stories! :-)

Try contacting TillyRose on this site, a member of DS under the PD area, she visits John, and seems to have improved greatly, since seeing him

Sounds good. Thanks. I did a lengthy Google search of John Coleman and, while there are dozens of listings re: him, I found no info. about other people being in recovery or having been cured. I am hopeful that others in a Community such as this will come forward and share their stories of improvement resulting from Mr. Coleman's books, CD's, etc. Again, thanks. I'll contact TillyRose.

Iris,
I just joined this forum due to a friend sending me the link due to the recent surge of comments about John Coleman that she came across. My father is treated by John. While my father is not recovered, yet, he has made significant improvements to his health and reduction of pd symptoms.

I have met John at my father's first visit to him, though it was not his first contact (we live in Sydney area and John in Melbourne area). John seems to me to be an extraordinary man filled with love and compassion to genuinely help others.

He does not use the word 'cure' as in so many of these discussions/comments. He believes in the 'recovery of health and improvement/elimination of symptoms'. This is what my father is doing, and we are so very thankful.

John's program does not cost $30,000 dollars and does not appear to me to be a scam at all. Most of the things he suggests for the pd client to do are natural and cost very little, if anything at all. If you read peachybum's first note again, she lists most of what John's program is about. Love, laughter and meditation, proper diet, elimination of wheat and diary, exercise, belief in wellness and recovery, support from loving others not sabotage of recovery, bowen therapy or some other type of gentle physical and/or energetic healing modality, using less toxic stuff in the home for cleaning and personal hygiene items, etc . Basically life changes, most of them are internal and don't cost anything. The cost of his appoints is very reasonable, in my opinion, especially in comparison to what the doctors charge and the fact that he sat with us for 3 hours explaining things. His book is only $20. He did suggest some simple supplements for my dad to take, and these could be purchased through him or most health food stores; he did not push to buy from him either, but offered it as a convenience factor to get my dad started right away, if he wanted to do so.

Also, John doesn't believe in taking or not taking meds. He didn't take my dad off them, but suggested to return to the neurologist for a possible change in the type, amount, and way taken. He said that if my dad had not already started on them that he may suggest not doing it right away, but since he was already on them to perhaps change the type, amount, and way taken. He gave us this printout of the drugs and the side effects which was very helpful for us to make our own decision; he tries to empower the patient and those supportive of the patient through education. He said that sometimes for some people it's better to use them at low doses than not until my dad is stronger and more able to cope with some of the symptoms. This surprised us since John is a naturoopath. On this note, my dad did change his meds, very slowly, and is very slowly weaning off as his health improves and symptoms decrease.

The other thing I feel compelled to share is regarding your comments about other people coming forward. John said that most people do not choose to announce to the world that they have recovered; this response was only when I asked, somewhat pressed, him for an answer, because I too was initially skeptical of him and the 'claims of recovery'. While those of us directly or indirectly effected by the damaging effects of pd are grateful to see improvements and hope for complete recovery, many people who believe that there is no 'cure' will also disbelieve that you can get well and actually sabotage the process, if even subconsciously. It has happened within our own family and long term friends of my fathers. They mean well, and want him to get well, but say/do things that do not support his journey to wellness. A few friends have even gone MIA, after big blow ups telling us/my dad that he couldn't get well, that all he had to do was take the meds, get deep brain stimulation, and most recently the stem cell injections. When my dad calmly tells them, "no thank you" and "I am getting better with what I am doing and how I am doing it" (a huge improvement over his past responses if something would've come up like this), they have acted aggressively toward him/us. Most people are quite passive about my dad's routine/changes, some are very helpful, and some have quietly slipped away (I don't know if it's due to having the pd or the natural route to changes with my dad). It's the few aggressive ones that are being eliminated out of our lives as they do not and are not helping my dad to heal. I also wonder if it's because many (most?) people with pd are in the 'older' age bracket and don't have access/knowledge/comfort with computers/websites/'advanced' technology??? Just a thought ....

Anyway, I hope this is helpful for you.

PS My intent in adding this is not vicious, so I hope that you do not interpret it this way. My intent is to be helpful, if at atll possible so that your famly members can also regain their health.

I feel that John has (using your words) "speak up" and "step up to the plate and defend his claims on this website and perhaps elsewhere".
One, he's on here commenting.
Two, go to his website: www.returntostillness.com.au .
Three, his book.
Four, his own recovery.

What more would you like him to do to 'prove his claims'? Perhaps, I can contact him with your request if I knew what it is that you really want from him. Or, I think contact info is available on his website if you prefer to contact him yourself. Let me know, as I'm happy to do it for you/your family/everyone here.

Also, I would not expect him to give you, me, any of us free step by step advice when he is a naturopath that now specializes in pd (and other neurological and autoimmune disorders) due to his life experience and personal recovery. We all need to make a living ; right? I personally feel that it is quite admirable for him to even be on a forum like this at all. Don't you? He doesn't have to be and he could be charging a pretty penny for his knowledge and services, which he doesn't.

Best of luck to you and your family.