Sounds like a scare tactic conjured up by the right to me. If Obama is the "anti-christ" it will only be because of the self-fulfilled prophesies of the bible thumpers.

Just MHO,
Jeff

number one, obamawas born in hawaii. i've heard about this thing for a while, and oddly enough the antichrist had always been from the middle east, then the antichrist was arabic, now the antichrist is of muslim heritage. funny how all knowing God can't correctly nail this one down.

obama is a christian. end of story. the only argument to be made here is about how another CHRISTIAN may or may not fuck up outr country.

he didn't come out of nowhere, he came out of his mother forty odd years ago. there's a paper trail, he wasn't summoned by anyone to come out and give great speeches in the name of freedom by anyone. i'd like tpo think if someone had that power, they'd use it for different purposes. like invisibilty during bank robberies.

if you pay attention to the things going on around you, you won't be naive enough to get caught up in this vapid, Karl "the Marx" Rovian, tripe. (see how a name can be manipulated into whatever you,or i, want? so don't even go down that raod)

are we to e held hostage by inanity for the rest of our lives? are w to be captives to the lowest common denominator? are we to use this site for idiotic political purposes, or, should we continue on the track where we use this for people who need support in some real and viable manner?

dumb effing question

drunCo, was it your question that was a "dumb effing question" or mine, the topic question?

I had it revealed to me who the anti Christ is, also who the second coming of Christ, or the saviour or Mashiach, or whatever your name for the good saving force or whatever you choose to call it. It don't matter what religion you follow, it is the same person. Are you ready? Hold on to your hats. I am about to reveal the truth. If you look hard and clear enough, you will see this is true. Okay, ready? No more putting it off, I will tell you. I will also tell you when this will happen. I guarantee it will happen the time I state here. Okay, you ready? Now this time, it will, by the way, be the end of this world too. Alright I am going to reveal this. Hold onto your seats, cause I think you won't believe me. Here goes:

Let's start with the saviour, that is an easy one. Now when the saviour comes, who would be able to follow an individual now in days? they would be torn to shreds and crucified much quicker today then the first one was. Just think about that for a while.



Okay, so maybe you see the logic in it not being an individual. So who could this saviour be? It's me. yep, that's right, it's me. A crazy claim by yours truly? No, not exactly. Now I am an individual so how can I say it's me? Because it is also you. It is you, me , all of us. At least some of us, a large number of us. When I large group of people wake-up and change their consciousness, then we will see the problems we have disappear. The only thing which will change the problems in the outside world is if we change our inside worlds. There is no other solution. Trying to find solutions to mankind's and the earth's and all beings on this planet's problems out there, is like a dog chasing it's tail. And we have been chasing for quite a while, haven't we. And I believe that this is why I am really here. So okay, maybe it is not me. Maybe it will happen too late for me. But I can hope, can't I? I have hope for us all. It will happen.

And this anti-christ, who is he? That is us now too.

We can go either way. We have the power and the choice.
There is more then enough people here already to do what ever we want with all of this. And all of this has such power that we can surrender to it and let it do what it is suppose to.

And when will this all happen. In the present moment, of course. When else could it possibly happen? No where else then now.


And by the way, if you think that the President has all the power and all the people with all the money follow him and it is not the other way around, then you better start to take a closer look at what is really going on in this world. I say vote for anybody but the two main ones. What the hell would they all do if someone who was not Democrat or Republican won. The would fix the count. Maybe they already do. Of course, it is quite impossible for anybody other then the two to win.

"If they pull the wool over your eyes, who's wool do you think it is?"

Oh, and "end of the world", by the way, just means the end of this one and the start of another.

your original topic question

so tell me now what do you really believe? You have all these comments and revelations and you do not seem to believe in anything. who revealed this to you that you know who the anti Christ is? also tell me who the Savior is?

It is me and you. We are suppose to be it.

And forget belief. Belief is thinking something is true, without actually knowing. Belief is on an intellectual level. Belief is imagined. But without actually knowing.

Now all that is on an intellectual level, none of that can help us. Not when it comes to truly being free. All of it can easily become a trap. Search your bible, it is in there. Something about mankind's knowledge and how he can't be saved by it. I am sorry I don't have references, and I am just to busy to do research right now. But look, it is there. All of your intellect is but of things imagined. Imaginary. Imaginary things. All things, when thought of on the intellectual level, become imaginary things. We were not meant to be drowning in imaginary things. At least I don't think so. But I think we are. Think we are! What a trap!

So if belief and intellectual knowledge is not going to help us, what is? There is the true knowledge and it is beyond our intellect. I can call it The Knowing. Maybe kinda intuition? Sorry, I don't have words to accurately describe. again, words are on the intellectual level, the knowing is so much beyond that level. Look at the sky and see it's beauty. You recognize that beauty instantly. Now try to put that beauty on the level of your intellect. You can't really, without losing something. It becomes a weak imitation of what is there. Now try and think of all the places you have been in your entire life. You can't handle thinking about all of them at once. But they are all there, right now. And all the people you ever met, that are still alive. Can't hold them in your mind at once. Not even a small majority of them. But they are all out there, right now, walking around, living, or doing whatever. But if you try to just let yourself be open, you can have a sense that they are all there. That all the places and more are all there. Take the time to look at things from far away. Ride in a plane and look at the ground as it disappears below. Get a sense of perspective. Get in touch with something deeper the your thoughts. That is what it is all about. Sorry, these words fall short.

I don't feel Obama is the Anti-Christ, He comes when the ( whole world ) is in terminal destruction which is close. Obama however either by wanting to make everyone happy, actually isn't, and the thinking of hope and change is for the government to be a substitute for family functions, control / operate education, roe V waid , define corporal punishment as abuse, and so on in speeches Are interferences, and unconstitutional. Mccain is not any different. These are signs to watch out for and not be blind to them. Even persons with no religious faith should not allow a government power over hes choice, rights, and needs.

Not to go off topic, but I would like to discuss this "belief" That the world is close to terminal destruction.

See my separate thread for further information, don't want to change this one.

drunCo~for it to be such a dumb fucking question you sure put a lot of effort into replying to it....

actually, i didn't. that's how dumb it is.

well I was always told that we are not supposed to predict the day nor the hour and (Thessalonians 4:17) says....we will be caught up in the air to meet the Lord....and I was always taught this. Part of me was taught it and part of me believes it. Either way I guess it's a trust issue.I have to trust God on this one because it's going to happen sooner or later anyway.....but i think the anti-christ is supposed to do miricles and stuff....really big things like that and people will kind of worship him because he will help so many people. I hope to be gone by then. LOL. I just joined this group and saw where everyone had open minds and i think that's great. That way everyone can express their opinions without getting bashed. Thanks for coming up with such a great idea and i hope to meet many new friends here.Great day to everyone. Jen.

you, well i, refuse to live life, now that i'm getting it back, with a fear of what God may or mya not have in store. it's his plan, not mine. i'll never understand it, so why should i devote useless energy to watching for the signs, that are usually misinterpretted and are over my head.

at the end of my days, i am going to have to stand in front of my maker and explain myself to Him. i don't want this to be an issue. i have enough

I believe in God, had a Christian up bringing. I'm not the saviour. I've read Revelations. I'm expecting a backlash of 'backslider' or perhaps a gentle nudge toward the truth in response to this post.

I can understand why McCain's camp hasn't used the race and Muslim card in their campaign. They didn't have to. They knew the far right Christian fringe element would do it.

So, what if Obama is the anti-Christ? Calm down for a moment and remember the song from Sunday school. He's got the whole world in his hands. If he is, it would all have been pre-ordained to serve His plan for mankind. You might as well vote for him then, in order to fullfill the prophecies.

Show me the scriptures where it says to stop him from getting into power. That would be thwarting God's will.

Or, go and vote against him if you feel he's qualified as the anti-christ and not as president. God will be more pleased with you that way because the fear mongering is not necessary. Give it some thought.