There is this show on BBC American called "You are what you eat" They take a person who wants to lose weight and put everything they eat in one weeks time, including beverages on a table and make them look at it. It looks horrible. Its amazing sometimes, you dont realize what or how much you are eating. She then takes everything that she is going to allow them to eat and put in on the table and it looks so amazing and appetizing, lots of fruits, veggies, grains etc. Its amazing the transformation these individuals go through after 3 months. Huge difference in their bloodwork etc.

I have seen those shows, and it does amaze me that people can consume so many calories a day. With that said, I am obese. I have health issues and I consider myself a lazy person who does not put 30 minutes or more a day into a rigorous workout. I do not consume a lot of excess calories every day, and I am active at my job but not to the point where I could consider what I do an aerobic workout. I have been this way for 38 years. I am not making excuses why. I am who I am. I am not happy about being fat. I am happy with who I am and I like myself. My self esteem has nothing to do with my weight. I know I'm a cool person and I am going to live my life as best I can. I will continue to strive to improve my health, and I have made great strides over the past year to improve my overall health. I had a friend who was thin and athletic and dropped dead of a massive heart attak on the tennis court. I had a freinds who were thin and active who died of cancer. I have obese friends who are still around and trying to lose weight. Point is, you never know when it's going to be your time. Live your life and make it count. Thanks for reading.

I haven't seen the program yet that you have mentioned bloom but it sounds pretty good. I have however seen a few that were similiar to it. And it is amazing how many calories a person can take in without even realizing it.

I have watched a few programs on TLC regarding obesity and I had to agree with what one of the speakers said, which was there just isn't enough activity being done to burn a lot of the calories that are consumed. They pointed out that many many years ago people and obesity was rare because back then people had to hunt for every meal. Transportation meant you had to be active to get anywhere. There were not any gyms as back then you did not need any.

Now a days food is at our fingertips anytime we want it. Problem is trying to find moderation in choosing the foods and most of all getting enough exercise throughout the day to burn off the calories. I know that has been my biggest problem was getting motivated to move a lot more then I should. I believe that diet alone will not help a person lose much if there isn't any type of activity to go along with it.

I also like that in a lot of these programs they said even losing 10 percent of your weight can sometimes change your blood pressure as well as sugar levels and some have even been able to get off medications.

None the less I think these programs they broadcast are very informative and certainly can put a lot of things in perspective.

lizzie,
why must you continue trying to bullie people, yet when someone like me puts a harmless post up, you seem to be the one who gets the most "offended?" It is easy to just walk away from the problem, just don't respond to it. I have read your previous posts and I must say that you seem to be at the center of most problems. I am not perfect and I dont claim to be, but it is like you are on some kind of drug and get a high just by being critical. I realize that you have valad points, but your last post was just, well, lets call it what it was. "Childish and immature." We are all adults and we are all intitled to our own opinions wheather we agree or disagree, so lets all act like adults.

I agree jaxswife,

I read some of ur past posts too lizzie and you sure seem to like to start a lot of trouble. I don't think jaxswife started this post to see u start an argument with everyone that stated an opinion. I also don't think katiebell said anything to start an argument with anyone. It was just her opinion and just like u said everyone has the right to have that. But u seem to want to bully people and act childish when u post something. Maybe it is time someone reports u? Besides if u are so happy with ur weight why have u joined a support group for obesity in the first place?

Jax - how many times? I WAS NOT RESPONDING TO YOU. I am sorry for putting it in caps but I have said it several times and yet you keep acting as if I have said something to you or about you which I have not. Katie has stopped the discussion and changed the subject and she was the one I was discussing with, so why don't you do the same?

I think it is wrong for you to make these personal comments about me. Yes you started the thread but as I have also said before, I was not responding to your post but to Katie's which followed it, and which changed the subject of the discussion. Just because you started a thread does not give you ultimate control over it. I don't think I was bullying anyone. I admitted my post was childish and apologised for it but also said that my point was a serious one - nobody can dictate when a discussion ends, we are all free to post our views here, that is the point of the site. Just because someone holds a different view to you, you can't say 'I am ending this discussion', otherwise what is the point of having a discussion site in the first place?

I do stand up for myself here. But the only thing I can think of you referring to is when another member disagreed with my views, which is fine, as I said we all have our own views here and that is great, and we should of course discuss them. But then she took a large chunk of my journal and posted it here which is not fine, and I thought I was right to get angry. She was the one who made it personal and posted my journal. I don't know what you would do in my place, just leave it at that when she had violated my privacy? I was very upset and hurt about that and I can't believe neither of you would have reacted in my place.

Lisa, I have never said anything to or about you so where do you get off saying I "want to bully people and act childish"?

Neither of you seem to grasp the difference between having a discussion, which I was trying to do, based on views and principles, and having an argument, which involves exchanging insults and personal comments, which is what the both of you seem to be doing. Katie said nothing to start an argument but she did post her views on a public discussion site so she must expect people to respond, some will agree and some will not, and if she is so certain of those views she will not mind them being challenged. If she does not like her views being challenged, why post them here?

Not that it is any of your business, but I am on this site for support, because it is tough to be fat nowadays and you get a lot of pressure to be thin, and I want people to help me stand up against that pressure and love our bodies. I want to find other people who just want to love themselves no matter what weight they are. There doesn't seem to be much of that around on this site though. I originally joined for the type 1 diabetes group and noticed the obesity group and decided to join.

As I said to Katie, if you don't like the thread don't keep responding to it. That just bumps it up the board so more and more people read it and respond. If you hate it that much then I suggest you

1, put me on ignore
2, stop responding to the thread

If you fail to do either of those things then surely you are lowering yourselves to my level by keeping on bickering on the thread?

Do you realize what you just wrote? "put yourself on my level" I just want to discuss things in a mature way. I would be pissed off if someone used my jornal aginst me and you had every right to be angry. My problem is that my post was intended to be a discussion, not " you cant tell me when to stop discussing things." I think that everyone has a valad point, EVEN you. Let me just state this. I am not offended by your posts or anyone elses. I don't give you the power.
As far as you not RESPONDING to me, I feel like it was way of topic to start a debate over this inasint post. I have seen other people being delibertly mean on this community, not just you, and I think it should stop. If you are wanting a place to debate what you like, create your own. I am sure that there are a few people that share the same views, and don't mind being negative.

What I meant by 'my level' was that you are accusing me of keeping on this thread and bickering, not keeping to the original topic etc, and yet you seem to be doing the same thing yourself.

As I already said, the best thing is to put me on ignore if I really bug you. Why have you not done that already?

Although I have not seen any examples of this behaviour you and Lisa claim, you have not given a single example, just outright accused me of bullying and of "being delibertly mean". How have I been mean on this thread, or at all? If you cannot find some examples I expect an apology from each of you, in fact I expect one anyway since I have never made a single personal insult or comment about either of you and now you are both insulting me.

You say "my post was intended to be a discussion, not " you cant tell me when to stop discussing things." I was responding to Katie's post and her categorical assertion that she thought fat people are all unhealthy and unhappy whatever any of us may say. She was the one telling me to stop discussing and that was why I objected. But it seems it is OK to tell people to shut up, that is fine by you, yet when someone complains about it that is wrong and makes it ok to call them a bully and say other hurtful things about them???

lizzie,
I have not insulted you. I have not said shut up to you, and well, I will never apologize to you. You want valad points, ok you have them. I am shocked to see just how calories add up. I didnt realize that all those little things add up to thousands of calories. Second point, I dont want to fight or arguee on this community. I want to discuss important issues, you are intitled to have an opinion, as a matter of fact so is everyone else on this site. you give off the vibe that you are better than everyone else. Well, you are not. you are not better than me. How do you feel about calories adding up lizzie? Do you ever watch those shows on tlc? Try commenting on that for a change.

Lizzie,

I do not feel jax or I owe u an apology. I have read the posts and the first thing I see regarding jax's post was just about programs that had to do with calorie intake and how people don't realize how much everything adds up. Katiebell on the other hand added her input and also commented about how calories do add up and how SHE felt about how people feel about being overweight.

You said Katie had no right to make a comment like that? Why not? I can see clearly now because of how you responded that you are not happy with your weight at all otherwise you would not have even took the time to respond. It said in Katies post that when a person is overweight they are not happy with being overweight. She didn't say they were unhappy about about life, marriage or anything else just the weight.

You wanted examples of your behavior lizzie well quit being so thick and read your posts carefully. U are the type that basically says it is my way or the highway. My guess would be that even in your life at home you are someone who does not let another person get a word in edge wise and even if they do u are ready to dispute and try to convince the world that your views and opinions are the only ones that are right.

As for katiebells comment on not debating with u well I think that meant she was not going to continue her debate on this thread just with u because she was not trying to continue some silly argument with a person that just likes to argue. Besides in her post it said u could carry on the discussion with her just not on this thread. She stated that she didn't feel jax wanted this post to be a debate. I don't think that means she is stopping u. Maybe u need help and have problems comprehending words?

I can see that you like attention too bad it is not in a good way. That seems to be the case in most your posts. U are right people have the right to post whatever they want on anyone's thread but most are not here to argue or to try and make everyone see things the same way, but u do not seem to follow that protocol. In your past posts u not only disagree with people but u are out to convince them they are wrong for having their own opinion and views.

The way u blast out opinions is rude. U say this person is wrong that person is wrong well take a good look in the mirror lizzie because I say misery loves company and your posts show that. U keep talking about how people keep responding to u and how they should ignore u. But I think that u love the attention in fact any kind of attention u can get makes u feel good. What u don't seem to see is that some of us hope you will see the light some day and some of us just feel sorry for u.

So no apology here but I do hope u get some therapy to deal with ur issues.

I would like each of you to read through this. I have gone through the thread and picked out the insults you each have thrown at me.

Jax
why must you continue trying to bullie people
you seem to be at the center of most problems
it is like you are on some kind of drug and get a high just by being critical
your last post was just, well, lets call it what it was. "Childish and immature
ou give off the vibe that you are better than everyone else

Lisa
you sure seem to like to start a lot of trouble
u seem to want to bully people and act childish when u post something
you are not happy with your weight at all
quit being so thick
U are the type that basically says it is my way or the highway. My guess would be that even in your life at home you are someone who does not let another person get a word in edge wise and even if they do u are ready to dispute and try to convince the world that your views and opinions are the only ones that are right.
Maybe u need help and have problems comprehending words?
can see that you like attention too bad it is not in a good way. That seems to be the case in most your posts.
In your past posts u not only disagree with people but u are out to convince them they are wrong for having their own opinion and views.
The way u blast out opinions is rude. U say this person is wrong that person is wrong well take a good look in the mirror lizzie because I say misery loves company and your posts show that. U keep talking about how people keep responding to u and how they should ignore u. But I think that u love the attention in fact any kind of attention u can get makes u feel good. What u don't seem to see is that some of us hope you will see the light some day and some of us just feel sorry for u. So no apology here but I do hope u get some therapy to deal with ur issues.!

It is nice to see that both of you feel it is OK to say these things about someone you do not know and have never even met and do not feel any need to apologise. I, on the other hand, have not made a single personal comment or insult about either of you.

lizzie,
first of all I was mearly saying what I observered. second, you still havent answered the post. third, you still havent gotten my name right, so how can I expect you to get the point of my post.

Oh so not getting your name right, and not answering the post means it is ok for you to say all those things? I see. It seems it is ok for you to say those things if you are "saying what you observed".

you said what you observered. you said you thought lisa and myself were insulting you. how did you come to that conclusion? you observed it right? the only thing we were doing was saying how we felt, the same as you were doing, so why are we wrong and you are right?

Also, I did not 'get your name wrong' as some deliberate slight to you, I just shortened it. Katiebell had already referred to you as 'jax' so I assumed you did not have an issue with it since you did not say anything to her. I have also been referring to her as 'katie' rather than her full screen name of katiebell68, again not as a slight just to say things more quickly and not have to type the entire thing out every single time I wrote it. I did not realise some people were so sensitive about their entire screen name being typed every single time. If you are that sensitive maybe shorten the name - I cannot even see the whole thing without hovering the mouse over it, it comes up as Jaxswife4... because it doesn't fit in the space. However I cannot really believe you are that sensitive to be honest. I think maybe you are trying to side track the discussion from the topic of what you said to me and the list of insults. It says something that I have listed all those insults you have said, and the worst thing that you can come up with that I have done is to shorten your name a little, don't you think?