Myasthenia Gravis Support Group
Myasthenia gravis (MG) is a neuromuscular disease leading to fluctuating muscle weakness and fatiguability. The hallmark of myasthenia gravis is muscle weakness that increases during periods of activity and improves after periods of rest. Although myasthenia gravis may affect any voluntary muscle, muscles that control eye and eyelid movement, facial expression, and...
copperzincbear
I am 37 years old. At the end of April, I started having problems with double vision and I think with what people call "swim head" (it feels like your head is in a fishbowl). I chalked it up to insomnia, partially because I didn't want it to be something else (which was a really stupid thing to do) and tried to get more sleep. I went to an internist for another problem (pulled muscle) and noticed that my eylid drooped, and she asked if my eyelid had always drooped like that. (I actually think it did, and had noticed it myself, but again, I wanted to dismiss it as "droopy eyelid syndrome" as you get with sleep apnea, which I have.) She said "you should see an opthamologist" so I scheduled an appointment.
Curiously, it got better in this time. It was really only bothering me about five minutes per day at the point I saw the opthamologist, whereas before it had been more like twenty. His (resident? intern? Someday I may know the difference.) checked my eyes and noticed the Cogen's twitch but really nothing else. They gave me an ice test (which actually came back negative for MG) and an acetylcholine receptor blood test (which came back positive for MG).
After this initial exam, they didn't really know what it was, and I became more and more anxious the rest of the week until the double vision got much worse. The next Saturday I pretty much spent the day in the house, but went out later and my eyes went crazy! My left eye would pull very hard to the side. It got so bad that I went to the urgent care facility for opthamology and they looked at it. Basically, as I'd relax mentally, like if I was doing something else, it would get much better, and when I'd worry it would get much worse. I found that to be true the rest of the day. What did help was seeing that it could get better, and even that thought would relax me, so I'd do better. I returned to work and really it's not that bad, though I can no longer read with two eyes.
I also got an MRI of my brain and eyes yesterday, and should have the results on Tuesday.
The blood test came back this week, after the second visit, and I've been dealing with that, and the thought that it changes a lot of things. I'm really worrying about it generalizing, and as I'm generally an anxious person, I seem to see symptoms of it where it's not. Like right now I'm focusing on how my arms feel as I type, but I didn't really before I watched a video this morning about how someone had ocular myasthenia gravis which suddenly affected their legs. I have had hyperventilation before, and shallow breathing (I don't know if that's what you call it, but it's where you've inhaled a lot, but didn't exhale it all, and you keep taking little breaths instead of exhaling your full lungs fully), and keep thinking "oh here comes the breathing problems". I want to fight this aggressively because it seems that there are a number of things you can do to keep it from generalizing, but I have a few complicating factors (for instance, I'm on beta blockers for a cardiomyopathy I used to have that went away and they are maintaining it, plus I am obese) which I'm afraid I'm going to find out limit my options for treatment. Of course, I know none of this, but I worry. I have an appointment with a neuro opthamologist to follow up on the result, but that is not until the 26th and it seems that they are typically very booked. There are at least two myasthenia gravis clinics in Chicago (University of Illinois at Chicago and Rush) and I might go to one of those, especially if it is easier to get an appointment.
Also, this week right after I was diagnosed, I went to an internist for anxiety, and he saw my acetylcholine test but wanted to check a few things (diabetes, thyroid) just to rule them out. He mentioned that he could give me prednisone now but was a little reluctant. I guess if I have a question it would be: would you let him do that, perhaps first if he consulted with the neuro-opthamologist or my opthamologist? I'm very anxious to get started because I've read the few things that say if you nab this thing quickly there's a better chance that it won't spread.
I'd be curious to hear from people who have had cardiomyopathy and/or some other type of heart failure, and how that affected treatment.
Also, I tend to be something of a loner, so I live alone, and don't have close friends around me, or even really neighbors, which might have to change. I have family about an hour away and could possibly work from home, so I may be able to adapt if things get bad, but I'd be curious to hear how people dealt with having to make some major changes from that sort of lifestyle. This has made me realize how beneficial it is to connect with others now, and how much the people I do have contact with care for me.
And I would like to know if I should ask for other tests. It seems the blood test I had is pretty definitive, but I have not had the Tensilon test.
It's good though, that I don't drive (I'm in a city where you don't always have to) and that there are a lot of good facilities. I do feel that I need to get to know more people around just in case I need help though. The isolation is probably one of the scarier parts of my predicament, even if my symptoms have not been very bad.
Curiously, it got better in this time. It was really only bothering me about five minutes per day at the point I saw the opthamologist, whereas before it had been more like twenty. His (resident? intern? Someday I may know the difference.) checked my eyes and noticed the Cogen's twitch but really nothing else. They gave me an ice test (which actually came back negative for MG) and an acetylcholine receptor blood test (which came back positive for MG).
After this initial exam, they didn't really know what it was, and I became more and more anxious the rest of the week until the double vision got much worse. The next Saturday I pretty much spent the day in the house, but went out later and my eyes went crazy! My left eye would pull very hard to the side. It got so bad that I went to the urgent care facility for opthamology and they looked at it. Basically, as I'd relax mentally, like if I was doing something else, it would get much better, and when I'd worry it would get much worse. I found that to be true the rest of the day. What did help was seeing that it could get better, and even that thought would relax me, so I'd do better. I returned to work and really it's not that bad, though I can no longer read with two eyes.
I also got an MRI of my brain and eyes yesterday, and should have the results on Tuesday.
The blood test came back this week, after the second visit, and I've been dealing with that, and the thought that it changes a lot of things. I'm really worrying about it generalizing, and as I'm generally an anxious person, I seem to see symptoms of it where it's not. Like right now I'm focusing on how my arms feel as I type, but I didn't really before I watched a video this morning about how someone had ocular myasthenia gravis which suddenly affected their legs. I have had hyperventilation before, and shallow breathing (I don't know if that's what you call it, but it's where you've inhaled a lot, but didn't exhale it all, and you keep taking little breaths instead of exhaling your full lungs fully), and keep thinking "oh here comes the breathing problems". I want to fight this aggressively because it seems that there are a number of things you can do to keep it from generalizing, but I have a few complicating factors (for instance, I'm on beta blockers for a cardiomyopathy I used to have that went away and they are maintaining it, plus I am obese) which I'm afraid I'm going to find out limit my options for treatment. Of course, I know none of this, but I worry. I have an appointment with a neuro opthamologist to follow up on the result, but that is not until the 26th and it seems that they are typically very booked. There are at least two myasthenia gravis clinics in Chicago (University of Illinois at Chicago and Rush) and I might go to one of those, especially if it is easier to get an appointment.
Also, this week right after I was diagnosed, I went to an internist for anxiety, and he saw my acetylcholine test but wanted to check a few things (diabetes, thyroid) just to rule them out. He mentioned that he could give me prednisone now but was a little reluctant. I guess if I have a question it would be: would you let him do that, perhaps first if he consulted with the neuro-opthamologist or my opthamologist? I'm very anxious to get started because I've read the few things that say if you nab this thing quickly there's a better chance that it won't spread.
I'd be curious to hear from people who have had cardiomyopathy and/or some other type of heart failure, and how that affected treatment.
Also, I tend to be something of a loner, so I live alone, and don't have close friends around me, or even really neighbors, which might have to change. I have family about an hour away and could possibly work from home, so I may be able to adapt if things get bad, but I'd be curious to hear how people dealt with having to make some major changes from that sort of lifestyle. This has made me realize how beneficial it is to connect with others now, and how much the people I do have contact with care for me.
And I would like to know if I should ask for other tests. It seems the blood test I had is pretty definitive, but I have not had the Tensilon test.
It's good though, that I don't drive (I'm in a city where you don't always have to) and that there are a lot of good facilities. I do feel that I need to get to know more people around just in case I need help though. The isolation is probably one of the scarier parts of my predicament, even if my symptoms have not been very bad.
If the blood test is positive, there is no need to continue with other tests. I suppose you could have them draw the blood again somewhere else if you really want to.
You are asking good questions and those beta blockers you take could be a problem. So, you will need to check on a list of medications that people with MG should not have. I looked on our "links" site and I do not see a list of medications to avoid, so maybe I will post that there. I don't have a link on it myself as I just looked, but there is a large list.
I hope your MG does not generalise also. It may not, especially if you can get treatment. Prednisone is a treatment. There are others, and to push your MG back faster, you could get IVIG or even PLEX treatment. Cellcept has been great for my eyes, but it takes months to work. If truly concerned about near term, the IVIG or PLEX could be a temporary solution and should be done in conjunction with other longer term plan.
I have an anxiety disorder Dx also. I went to therapy for anxiety and I have improved and hope to continue testing to see where I am at over time.
I don't see any mention of mestinon in your post. Why have you not been given and taken mestinon? If that would make you feel better, see better etc, would you take just that?
I hadn't heard about "swim head" before, but I would like to know more. I have bouts with disequilibrioception, I believe it is.
I wouldn't get concerned too much unless you MG generalises and in which case you would want to inform those closest to you about how this disease can work on people.
I look forward to hearing from others in response to you also.
Best wishes for peace,
TJ
I'm not sure what "swim head" is either, but it seemed to fit something I was going through (things at a distance being a bit blurrier than I am used to), so I thought it might be that. I take it that that's just double vision, that there is an ever-so-slight disconvergence that you notice in further-away objects.
Really bugs me that I have to read with one eye closed, but things could be worse.
My opthamologist is who first diagnosed me. Not to tell you what to do but you do want to see someone that specialize in MG so I would call and get an appt at the mg clinc.
there is a lot of treatment out there like TJ mentioned. Some works some doesn't we are all differnt.
take care and let us know how you are doing.
Annette
Before I even knew what MG was I had the eye problems, shortness of breath, and other slight symptoms, as the symptoms got worse I found my self in emergency with what I thought was a stroke. Even as the blood tests were being run I was put on Mestinon. The Mestinon relieved much of the symptoms for a while
Will
Please feel free to lean on the group for support & friendship. The great folks here have become a lifeline for me for information, support and an occasional laugh.
Larissa ;)
I have been diagnosised with hypertropic cardiomyopathy since my diagnosis of MG in January,2012. My cardiologist wants to start me on a bata blocker but is waiting on my neuros OK. Don't go off yours with out an MD's OK.
As to getting on prednisone what they are concerned about is the fact that prednisone can cause diabetes as can obesity. They are weighing risks / benefits and wanting to get test results to see which way to go.
I do agree with everyone Mestanon would be helpful as will PLEX and IVIG. Also, getting a support system from your local community. I know you have been meaning to do that. Now is the time.
Thinking about you, Mary
My plans for the week are this:
- Let my opthamologist know that I still haven't gotten an earlier appointment with the neuro-opthamologist.
- Ask my internist if he would like to put me on mestonin, maybe have him call my opthamologist.
- Contact the MG clinics for openings - I think I will go for U of I first, maybe Rush if there's a long wait.
- Continue with my diet.
- Call my cardiologist about the possibility of getting off of my beta blockers.
- Find out when and where an in-person support group is available and stop being such a recluse.
Since you have a positive AChR test, you might consider having your internist call U of I and refer you to their neuromuscular clinic to see a MG specialist. In the meantime, he could start you on mestinon. Once in U of I's system, you could also be referred to a neuro-ophthalmologist there. I find it easier to have my doctors in one place if I can. It makes it so much easier. U of I is a MDA neuromuscular clinic so you will have many resources available to you. (You can also contact your MDA for questions and resources)
You have already tested positive for MG and you've had a brain MRI. You are ahead of the game than many. You will also need a chest CT to check your thymus. Your can have that done before you see the MG specialist.
Not all of us are on prednisone for MG. Some of us are either reluctant to go that route or can't for other medical reasons. I started on mestinon and IVIG.
Hang in there, I know a new diagnosis adds to your anxiety but this group will get your through:)
hugs,
sherry
I want to mention I felt dissy... maybe what you are referring to swim head. I had it for about 8 months and then I finally put the pieces together and realized it was from my weak neck. I started wear a foam neck brace when driving and even walking around the house. Wow I felt so much better.
This past week I am finally where I am to the point I haven't needed it.
The dissiness was from my unstable head because of weak neck.
I wish you the best with your journey.
Ann
Priscilla
When I was diagnosed I didn't have an idea of how serious the disease was, and it was a few weeks before I got "the talk." In my opinion, this disease develops very quickly in newly diagnosed people, and too often nobody takes you seriously enough. This is a deadly disease if not treated. You should get a neurologist who specializes in MG and they should put you on a regime. I wasted too many weeks in the beginning with opthamologists while my disease progressed at a rapid pace -- I was in the hospital less than three weeks after my diagnosis.
My 2 cents. You seem like a person very much after my own heart. I heard from a opthamologist "did you notice you had difficulties with swallowing before or after you learned that they were a symptom of MG?" -- perhaps it was phrased differently, but nobody can "fake" a Coogan's Twitch, or a drooping eyelid. And I was made to feel like a fake!
4 our of 5 times ocular progresses to general, so the odds look bad -- but knowing is so much better than not knowing. If I had to go around feeling like this without a dx I would go crazy! So-welcome. MG is rotten, but it can be managed. ~Joe