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Hmph
Found this online.
The Malignance and the Narcissism
Most people find out nothing about narcissists until they get destroyed by one and go searching for answers on the bizarre incident. Before they learn more, their idea of a narcissist is of a person with a sky-high opinion of themselves, period.
They associate narcissism with self-love (which never made sense to me) and with grandiosity, haughtiness, snobbishness, megalomania, thinking you're just IT God's gift to the world.
But most narcissists don't inhabit an environment in which they can let that all hang out. In fact, most of the narcissists I have known did not come off that way at all. Therefore, you usually won't notice the grandiosity in a casual acquaintance who is a narcissist.
That's because narcissists have subtle ways of sending their subliminal messages through their behavior and treatment of you.
For example, I'd hate to admit how old I was before I realized why my father threw his road rages. Duh! How could I have been so dense for so long? I suddenly realized that he was doing that to make us stop talking to each other in the car and pay attention to him. He couldn't stand our paying attention to each other, so he had to stop us and silence our conversation and make us focus our attention on him (and whatever his yanking the car around was liable to crash us into).
It wasn't till I'd caught on to a few of these tricks that I noticed the common denominator that these were attention-getting behaviors. Behaviors designed to deny anyone else any available attention.
He wasn't even smart and he had a dozen sneaky ways to routinely get attention without you realizing what he was up to. But he was just being more subtle about it than than the blathering female narcissist who just yaks at you at 90-miles-an-hour for 3 hours without pausing for a breath. We can't help but see that she is a glutton for attention, but he, just as big a glutton for attention, flies beneath our radar.
And you can see why a man devises sneaky tricks to command all available attention and deny you any: being a jabberbox would get a man laughed in most worlds. But a woman can get away with it.
It's the same with narcissists' grandiosity. Most use sneaky, subtle ways to aggrandize themselves.
Therefore, the average person's idea of a narcissist is very misleading.
I am always somewhat puzzled when authorities on the subject and others talk as though that is what bothers people about malignant narcissists.
I suppose that if you're somewhat narcissistic yourself (and I don't mean that in a bad way I just mean that if your personality is toward that end of the spectrum), you are going to be irritated by a narcissist hogging all attention and denying you any.
But, first, I don't think that most people are like that. And second, I doubt any normal person (narcissistic or not) is bothered that much by the grandiosity. It's silly, pathetic, so how can it make you angry? I bet people with narcissistic tendencies just immediately dislike and avoid malignant narcissists.
I can't say when, but it was at a very young age probably around the age of 8 or 9 -- that I began to view my father as pathetic. It was like I was the adult, and he was the child: I had to cut him some slack, because he just wasn't strong enough to quit bolstering his ego at our expense. He needed a lower set of standards, poor thing. I viewed his Big Man act as silly folly.
I bet this is generally true that children catch on to the essentials much sooner than we adults realize.
All I know is that I didn't mind him paying no attention to us. I know it cheated and hurt me in many ways, but his negative attention was so offensive that I was just glad to be left alone by him.
The Malignance and the Narcissism
Most people find out nothing about narcissists until they get destroyed by one and go searching for answers on the bizarre incident. Before they learn more, their idea of a narcissist is of a person with a sky-high opinion of themselves, period.
They associate narcissism with self-love (which never made sense to me) and with grandiosity, haughtiness, snobbishness, megalomania, thinking you're just IT God's gift to the world.
But most narcissists don't inhabit an environment in which they can let that all hang out. In fact, most of the narcissists I have known did not come off that way at all. Therefore, you usually won't notice the grandiosity in a casual acquaintance who is a narcissist.
That's because narcissists have subtle ways of sending their subliminal messages through their behavior and treatment of you.
For example, I'd hate to admit how old I was before I realized why my father threw his road rages. Duh! How could I have been so dense for so long? I suddenly realized that he was doing that to make us stop talking to each other in the car and pay attention to him. He couldn't stand our paying attention to each other, so he had to stop us and silence our conversation and make us focus our attention on him (and whatever his yanking the car around was liable to crash us into).
It wasn't till I'd caught on to a few of these tricks that I noticed the common denominator that these were attention-getting behaviors. Behaviors designed to deny anyone else any available attention.
He wasn't even smart and he had a dozen sneaky ways to routinely get attention without you realizing what he was up to. But he was just being more subtle about it than than the blathering female narcissist who just yaks at you at 90-miles-an-hour for 3 hours without pausing for a breath. We can't help but see that she is a glutton for attention, but he, just as big a glutton for attention, flies beneath our radar.
And you can see why a man devises sneaky tricks to command all available attention and deny you any: being a jabberbox would get a man laughed in most worlds. But a woman can get away with it.
It's the same with narcissists' grandiosity. Most use sneaky, subtle ways to aggrandize themselves.
Therefore, the average person's idea of a narcissist is very misleading.
I am always somewhat puzzled when authorities on the subject and others talk as though that is what bothers people about malignant narcissists.
I suppose that if you're somewhat narcissistic yourself (and I don't mean that in a bad way I just mean that if your personality is toward that end of the spectrum), you are going to be irritated by a narcissist hogging all attention and denying you any.
But, first, I don't think that most people are like that. And second, I doubt any normal person (narcissistic or not) is bothered that much by the grandiosity. It's silly, pathetic, so how can it make you angry? I bet people with narcissistic tendencies just immediately dislike and avoid malignant narcissists.
I can't say when, but it was at a very young age probably around the age of 8 or 9 -- that I began to view my father as pathetic. It was like I was the adult, and he was the child: I had to cut him some slack, because he just wasn't strong enough to quit bolstering his ego at our expense. He needed a lower set of standards, poor thing. I viewed his Big Man act as silly folly.
I bet this is generally true that children catch on to the essentials much sooner than we adults realize.
All I know is that I didn't mind him paying no attention to us. I know it cheated and hurt me in many ways, but his negative attention was so offensive that I was just glad to be left alone by him.
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There could be many reasons for this, but the first 3 reasons that I can think of are not Narcissism.
Also, I'm married to a man just like this. He does EVERYTHING for attention, including driving fast and erratic. Everybody in his family is scared to death to let him drive them anywhere. If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny.
On ocassion he would drink too much and hang out the truck window making smart remarks. That got him attention from the other car and from me and the kids.
Ohhh I notice my Father in much of what you write; thankyou for sharing this.
Man, this reminds me of an Ex boyfriend. Very much the pain in the ass. He would get all 'surly' about something, anything, small things, get all pissed off. He would carry it around blatantly. Soooo...everyone would walk around on eggshells with him and kiss his butt. Me? I would start making jokes about whatever got him pissed off. I am the resounding smart ass...and it made him more mad...MORE mad...and then he would say I was being disrespectfull and 'how dare I???' Well, honey, I DARE...Oh yeah!
This is also my EX H. Everything had to look perfect all the time. All the time - just in case someone would manage to stop over and they MIGHT see it. He had to look good to everyone, you know.
We just got some court stuff settled. So we don't have to go back...and his parting remark was 'you just want to make me look bad to the judge.'
Oh honey, you do that one all by yourself...
Thanks for this thread.
(So, if my EX H was a narc and a guy that I dated was too, why the hell am I gravitating toward this????? Huge RED FLAGG being waved now!!!!!!)
L~
Most people find out nothing about narcissists until they get destroyed by one and go searching for answers on the bizarre incident. Before they learn more, their idea of a narcissist is of a person with a sky-high opinion of themselves, period.
I can't tell you how many conversations revolve around him and him alone. My interest's or if I even had a good day matters to him. Never asks. I remember one conversation recently that really brought it all into light. Ok, getting riled up here and this post could go on for 2 pages so I'd better stop. But yea, he fits the mold.
(I loved your mother (in law??) story on another thread...just fricking roared! I think I love her!)
YOu know, the more I read on this subject, the more I need to read on this subject, don'tcha think???
L~
Please PM me and I'll send you the details!
Lstecker, yes, we are all drawn to narcissists. That's why we're here. We didn't know that we were being snowed. But boy, is it snowing!!!
I rarely saw the charming side of him. I guess I was lucky. He pretty much ignored me.