A career development program based on life-long learning would be much better for individuals and society, in my opinion. Study modules should be less that 6 months in length. This is not going to affect work-a-holics, who will still excel in their profession at the cost of their personal lives, but it would help to prevent future graduates who find themselves holding a huge student debt but still unemployable.

koolman...

We like who we like and we can't explain why. The heart wants the heart wants.

You choose women who have little time to date. I choose men who are emotionally (and sometimes physically) abusive, aloof or who belittle me and steal my self-esteem.

My reason is because I don't have a high self-worth. At least I can put a finger on my issue. I hope you are able to resolve yours.

Well, I am a RN. Yes I work long shifts. 12.5hrs. The only I work more is because there isn't enough nurses to cover the shifts. I don't like to be stressed at work and I don't want anyone else to feel that way either. There are plenty of careers that have crazier schedules... Firefighters (espically during Fire season) Police officers, Doctors...
You are attracted to educated women.. Would you be just attracted to someone uneducated? Or less educated than yourself?
Getting a vocational certificate that you would make similar pay? In a shorter time, I think my colleagues would sign up for that.

Anyone who insists that their work requires more than 40 hours a week should learn to delegate. There is great danger of becoming blinded by one's sense of self-importance. In my opinion, people who work for wages more than 50 hours a week are either underpaid, fearful of being fired or just downright selfish. Feel free to disagree.

LAC - you just proved the reason I dislike this twin flame thing in the other post with your own words. You are the classic, text book target of this thing. It is aimed at people with no self esteem who date abusers.

On topic though -- vocation is such a personal thing. I don't care what people do - as long as they do it well, with passion. So for me - I do often date people with little free time as they are engaged in what they do - whether it be making art out of corrugated iron or a professional role. But that is OK - cos I'm also passionate about what I do and am happy to occupy myself..........

This is a major reason I'm glad to be in the UK, education wise I am qualified as a nursery teacher and have a BA honours degree and various university level diplomas and certificates that I never had o pay for as I got full fee waivers comming from a poorer backround. I have no idea how people deal with having to pay off huge student loans. As for dating intelligent women, go you, but if work demands are too exessive for your likeing why not date intelligent women in less demanding careers like teachers, accountants or lab assistants? Xx

Thanks, peeps. Yes, the education system in the U.S. is insane, racking up $60k-$100k in student loans with no guarantee of ANY employment, much less high-paying employment at the end of that. My niece just graduated college with a B.A. in education, only to find herself having to waitress on weekends because the only teaching job she could find is a substitute P.E. teaching position that pays $11 an hour. $11 an hour!!! WTF??? And of course, right after graduation, just like clockwork, the student loan office is hounding her for that $360 a month loan payment. How is she supposed to pay this plus living expenses on $11 an hour? This sort of thing makes me VERY angry.

Sounds good, becca. I'd like to meet a woman who has a LITTLE more free time on her hands. I'm busy too, earned a Bachelors degree in Communications and am now making wedding videos and working as a security officer to make ends meet, both of which I could've done with a hogh school diploma. Fortunately I was poor enough to get a Pell grant for college, so I have no student loans. I work a lot but appreciate a LITTLE down time, 2 days a week, to relax and play.

Johnnycake, I m not sure if I understood you correctly - are you saying that everyone who works more than 50 hours a week is what you described, because if this is the case, I do disagree with you.

I also have a demanding job, but it is as demanding as I allow it to be. I have always considered my family and mate to be my number one and the job as a distraction that pays the bills. I work long hours sometimes, but if that were the norm Id give it up for a lower paying job with fewer hours, if my important relationships were suffering.

My love for and priority I give to my mate is the reason that for many years I dropped whatever I was doing at work to have lunch with my husband, every Friday. But guess what, after a while and God know how much of a while, he was having lunch with me on Friday afternoons and dinner with his lover on Friday nights. I may have been better off marrying to the career if only it was as good looking! But I dont believe in that. There is no loyalty when it is time to downsize no matter how many hours you put in.

You may have heard before that if you ever ask someone on their death bed what they regret not spending more time on/with, it will never be the job, it will always their relationship/s. The key is not to take on too much debt that hinders flexibility.

I always say that nurses and teachers are very special people. Nobody could pay them enough for what they do. They are angels.

Just wanted to throw in that not all RNs have to work 12 hour shifts. It is more rare to find for sure. But I work in a Pediatrician's office, and we work 9-10 hour days, 5 days a week. Weekends and holidays off. Many clinics keep that sort of hours. That's just one example, it is more rare to find but some highly educated ladies do indeed have the nicer jobs with better shifts (although I payed my dues of working '12 hour'-really 14 hour- overnight shifts for a few years first.)

Koolman:
So you have two jobs. That must be tiring. I suspect that sometimes there's not enough or no work on either side, by their very nature.

Just remember that it is never too late to retool. If you want it badly enough, you can have one job that pays enough, with fewer hours, but you have to want it, prepare for it and then go after it like a lion. Most healthy people have the power to create wealth.

There are billions of dollars circulating out there. You just have to figure out to get your hands on enough of it. I know it's easier said than done, but it is also true. Good luck.

Well a nurse will never be out of a job, and it's difficult to "outsource" to another country.
I had that issue a little, where my work was so intensive, the men in my life usually wanted more time of me and it was hard for me to give more that the weekend and one night during the week. "They" always say the woman are the clingy ones.
Even now with out working, I need my own time and space and i think men, especially those that have been married want ALL of your time and attention. Isn't that what marraige is for? then still you work out some seperate time. geez, i want to wake up to him every morning, and go to bed with him everynight, but need some space in there to wash my hair and stuff! lmao!!

I work in the Emergency / Trauma Dept. I work 3 days a week. I feel that counsellors are not doing students a favor when the think it's a great career choice to major in subjects, when that career is not in demand. So spending 100,000 on a cognitive science degree doesn't seem smart.

jaymee, wouldn't a cognitive science degree qualify them for the mental health field and teaching cognitive behavior therapy?

Lovingsimple: Not really tiring, but scheduling and logistics-wise, it is a bit dyslexia-producing at times. Yes, it'd be nice to make more money going to work at the same location 5 days a week, and I've been getting nibbles from my resume on Careerbuilder in the insurance industry, which is odd, since my background as listed on my resume is in video production!