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Really interesting article including a new treatment that is help in some.
NEW RESEARCH SHEDS LIGHT ON MYSTERIOUS FIBROMYALGIA PAIN
Dec. 15, 2013 7:03 AM |
Fibromyalgia affects 1% to 5% of Americans, mainly women, but until recently, scientists had no idea what might be causing its severe and mysterious pains. For decades, doctors told patients their agony was imaginary, the result of emotional hysteria, not a physical ailment.
But this year, researchers finally began to get a handle on the condition.
"What's happened is in 2013 there's been this absolute explosion of papers," says neurologist Anne Louise Oaklander at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. "The whole view on this has shifted."
Oaklander published two studies this year showing that half or more of the cases of fibromyalgia are really a little-known condition affecting the nerves. People with this small-fiber neuropathy get faulty signals from tiny nerves all over the body, including internal organs, causing an odd constellation of symptoms from pain to sleep and digestive problems that overlap with symptoms of fibromyalgia.
Neuroscientist Frank Rice and a team based at Albany Medical College also discovered that there are excessive nerve fibers lining the blood vessels of the skin of fibromyalgia patients - removing any doubt that the condition is physically real.
These fibers in the skin can sense blood flow and control the dilation and constriction of vessels to regulate body temperature, Rice says, as well as direct nutrients to muscles during exercise. Women have more of these fibers than men, he says, perhaps explaining why they are much more likely to get fibromyalgia.
"Blood vessel nerve fibers are an important target that haven't been in our line of thinking to date in chronic pain conditions," says Rice, now president and chief scientist at Integrated Tissue Dynamics LLC, a biotechnology research company in Rensselaer, N.Y.
In recent years, scans of patients with fibromyalgia have revealed brain changes associated with pain, but the new research suggests these are a symptom rather than the cause of the condition.
This new understanding of fibromyalgia will hopefully lead to better treatments, Rice and Oaklander say.
Right now, most people are treated with the antidepressants Cymbalta made by Eli Lilly, or Savella by Forest Pharmaceuticals, or with Lyrica, a seizure medication from Pfizer - which have all been federally approved for use in fibromyalgia.
But these drugs have side effects and don't help everyone.
"We're looking now to understand more about other features of the pathology that might lead to a more targeted approach and less of a shotgun that causes side effects," says Rice, also an adjunct professor at the University at Albany, State University of New York.
The trigger for fibromyalgia is still a mystery, although stressful events in patients' past have been thought to play a role.
Rheumatologist Richard Chou says there is some preliminary evidence that the nerve damage is caused by the immune system.
"We're hoping some day we'll be able to say exactly how your immune system is causing damage to the sensory nerves that results in fibromyalgia pain," says Chou, an assistant professor at the Geisel School of Medicine at Dartmouth in New Hampshire. Researchers don't yet know whether the pain causes the other problems of fibromyalgia - disrupting sleep, for instance - or whether both pain and sleep disturbances share the same cause.
Fibromyalgia's constellation of symptoms is very similar to those of chronic fatigue syndrome and Gulf War syndrome, which Oaklander's group also studies. "If someone has more of one symptom than another they might call it one thing, like chronic fatigue, but it's not clear that these are different," Oaklander says.
She says researchers still have a lot to learn about these conditions, but scientists are taking them more seriously and making real progress for the first time.
Carolyn DiSilva of Maynard, Mass., one of Oaklander's patients, says she was stunned to learn that she had small-fiber neuropathy caused by an overactive immune system, instead of fibromyalgia.
"I think a lot of people, they get a blanket diagnosis as fibromyalgia because doctors don't know what's wrong with them," says DiSilva, 47, who has suffered from unexplained pains for about 14 years. The non-stop agony and the pins and needles that plagued her for hours at a time forced her to give up her work as a hair stylist, she says.
Understanding what's causing her pain has helped her, she says, because doctors and others take her problems seriously, instead of dismissing her as they used to do.
And now that it's clear DiSilva has an immune problem, Oaklander has put her on intravenous immunoglobulin treatments - instead of conventional fibromyalgia therapy - which seem to be making a profound difference in her health.
DiSilva says her pain has dropped from a 10 on a 10-point scale to about a 4.
"I always hope that someday I'll wake up with no pain, but I'm so grateful that I've come this far."
Copyright 2013 USATODAY.com
Has anyone had this immunoglobulin treatment? Did it help?
NEW RESEARCH SHEDS LIGHT ON MYSTERIOUS FIBROMYALGIA PAIN
Dec. 15, 2013 7:03 AM |
Fibromyalgia affects 1% to 5% of Americans, mainly women, but until recently, scientists had no idea what might be causing its severe and mysterious pains. For decades, doctors told patients their agony was imaginary, the result of emotional hysteria, not a physical ailment.
But this year, researchers finally began to get a handle on the condition.
"What's happened is in 2013 there's been this absolute explosion of papers," says neurologist Anne Louise Oaklander at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. "The whole view on this has shifted."
Oaklander published two studies this year showing that half or more of the cases of fibromyalgia are really a little-known condition affecting the nerves. People with this small-fiber neuropathy get faulty signals from tiny nerves all over the body, including internal organs, causing an odd constellation of symptoms from pain to sleep and digestive problems that overlap with symptoms of fibromyalgia.
Neuroscientist Frank Rice and a team based at Albany Medical College also discovered that there are excessive nerve fibers lining the blood vessels of the skin of fibromyalgia patients - removing any doubt that the condition is physically real.
These fibers in the skin can sense blood flow and control the dilation and constriction of vessels to regulate body temperature, Rice says, as well as direct nutrients to muscles during exercise. Women have more of these fibers than men, he says, perhaps explaining why they are much more likely to get fibromyalgia.
"Blood vessel nerve fibers are an important target that haven't been in our line of thinking to date in chronic pain conditions," says Rice, now president and chief scientist at Integrated Tissue Dynamics LLC, a biotechnology research company in Rensselaer, N.Y.
In recent years, scans of patients with fibromyalgia have revealed brain changes associated with pain, but the new research suggests these are a symptom rather than the cause of the condition.
This new understanding of fibromyalgia will hopefully lead to better treatments, Rice and Oaklander say.
Right now, most people are treated with the antidepressants Cymbalta made by Eli Lilly, or Savella by Forest Pharmaceuticals, or with Lyrica, a seizure medication from Pfizer - which have all been federally approved for use in fibromyalgia.
But these drugs have side effects and don't help everyone.
"We're looking now to understand more about other features of the pathology that might lead to a more targeted approach and less of a shotgun that causes side effects," says Rice, also an adjunct professor at the University at Albany, State University of New York.
The trigger for fibromyalgia is still a mystery, although stressful events in patients' past have been thought to play a role.
Rheumatologist Richard Chou says there is some preliminary evidence that the nerve damage is caused by the immune system.
"We're hoping some day we'll be able to say exactly how your immune system is causing damage to the sensory nerves that results in fibromyalgia pain," says Chou, an assistant professor at the Geisel School of Medicine at Dartmouth in New Hampshire. Researchers don't yet know whether the pain causes the other problems of fibromyalgia - disrupting sleep, for instance - or whether both pain and sleep disturbances share the same cause.
Fibromyalgia's constellation of symptoms is very similar to those of chronic fatigue syndrome and Gulf War syndrome, which Oaklander's group also studies. "If someone has more of one symptom than another they might call it one thing, like chronic fatigue, but it's not clear that these are different," Oaklander says.
She says researchers still have a lot to learn about these conditions, but scientists are taking them more seriously and making real progress for the first time.
Carolyn DiSilva of Maynard, Mass., one of Oaklander's patients, says she was stunned to learn that she had small-fiber neuropathy caused by an overactive immune system, instead of fibromyalgia.
"I think a lot of people, they get a blanket diagnosis as fibromyalgia because doctors don't know what's wrong with them," says DiSilva, 47, who has suffered from unexplained pains for about 14 years. The non-stop agony and the pins and needles that plagued her for hours at a time forced her to give up her work as a hair stylist, she says.
Understanding what's causing her pain has helped her, she says, because doctors and others take her problems seriously, instead of dismissing her as they used to do.
And now that it's clear DiSilva has an immune problem, Oaklander has put her on intravenous immunoglobulin treatments - instead of conventional fibromyalgia therapy - which seem to be making a profound difference in her health.
DiSilva says her pain has dropped from a 10 on a 10-point scale to about a 4.
"I always hope that someday I'll wake up with no pain, but I'm so grateful that I've come this far."
Copyright 2013 USATODAY.com
Has anyone had this immunoglobulin treatment? Did it help?
IVIG btw is intravenous immunogammaglobulin.
BTW, Emily, I also don't buy stress. By the stress standard, Mom should've been dx'd by 20 and me by 10! I think it's more than one thing, too.
Cheers,
Leo
I think I might be the one who has been suffering from this the longest at 36 years, and I am still hopeful, even if it is for better understanding of WTF is going on in this poor body before I give up the ghost.
By the way, another piece of perhaps wrongly discarded evidence about fibro patients is that many have an anti-serotonin antibody.
But the prejudice against fibromyalgia runs so deep in the medical community, I expect it is going to take a long time for doctors to come around, especially the ones who are so sure it is a "psycho-social" disease.. Those old, misogynistic creeps are going to go kicking and screaming.
He said that he knows about it and the research being done with it. he said that it has shown to help about 30% of patients but Fibro is brought on by so many different things, so it probably will not work with a great number of patients.
Basically, each person will have to talk to their own doctors and the treatments will have to be tried on a case by case basis. I am not a candidate for it though.
Just checking in
Immunoglobulins is just another word for antibodies. Yes it is a blood test and it is simple.
The test measures the number of antibodies in your blood. The levels are compared to your white blood cells, etc.
When your antibodies are attacking your tissue this is called an autoimmune disease.
IVIG is administered to boost immune systems in people exposed to some Hepattis varieties and to measles. (THat's why I had it. Ugh. Thanks, Sis.) It's a short-term boost.
That was probably waaay more than anyone wanted to know. Sorry.
Having just fired my male rhumeys and started seeing a new (lady) Dr. She stated that she is not convinced that I have FMS. That my DX was rushed (6 months after first symptoms) and that my symptoms did not match the condition. For 10 months I have been complaining of Headaches and not once was a brain scan mentioned until I see the new rhumey!!! (that is what I have been dealing with this year)!
There is so much about the human body that we just do not know anything about. I am so happy that people are taking notice of the pain we suffer day after day, and that research is being done...
Thanks D and Countr for your experiences. D--Why did your Doctor say you weren't a candidate, if you don't mind sharing?
In my doctor's opinion, Fibro is not an autoimmune disease. He believes that this treatment is best utilized by people who have other illness, along with Fibro, that is compromising their immune system. He believes that it is dramatic therapy and can be painful in itself, and the chances that it would help me do not outweigh the expense, time I would spend, and side effects.
Since I do not have another illness, he does not believe that it would benefit me at all.
There are lots and lots of auto-antibodies. I doubt all of them have been found yet.
When I read all your stories, I just find it hard to believe there is nothing wrong with all these people but an over-sensitive nervous system. The immune system is amazingly complicated. I do hope we all will find better treatments and it won't take 20 to 30 more years.
Thanks again for the info.
I could not agree with you more. I think there is so very much that we do not know and, like you, I would like to know more about the patient...how she was chosen, what tests she had beforehand, and on and on with the questions.
I am just happy that someone is trying something and doing research.
I'm getting old, and I'd love to see a treatment for fm before I die. It makes me very sad to see youngsters dealing with it. I had my 4 kids, 2 marriages, and lots of living before I was disabled. Selling real estate was a big adventure and I loved it, until I got too sick.
Let's be grateful that work is being done in our favor, and maybe a cure will be found, or cures. Thanks for this posting, Abby
I recently put a down payment on a mobility wheelchair so I could have the independence to be able to go to festivals and stores and museums that I couldn't have walked before. I also have a walker. I wish I knew what to do. I know I need to walk more and will be doing, I have an appointment to see a myofascial release physical therapist to see if this will help. If I didn't take my muscle relaxants and pain meds I don't think I could make it.
I don't know what to say when people ask me how I feel. Sometimes I say I feel with my fingers because I usual don't feel great on any day. Also I don't know how to get through to others about what I have. Commercials for Lyrica make it looks like Lyrica makes fibro all better. I will still be fighting for an answer. I wish I had to a definitive tell others but I don't. What do you tell others. I get so tired of people asking that sometimes I feel like telling them I have something that I don't have so they would simply not ask me anymore. Something that is a concrete answer but I don't because I don't have it. Sorry about the length of this. I haven't been on the fibro site very much. I need to vent and ask some questions. I hope some of you can help me with your wisdom..