Fibromyalgia Support Group
You're not alone in your pain. Fibromyalgia is a condition that can be difficult to diagnose and manage. If you're trying to cope with pain throughout your body, sleep problems, general fatigue, or other common fibromyalgia symptoms, you're in the right place. The community is here for you to talk about therapies and share your challenges.
Hello,(sorry for the length of this post)
I am still on medical leave, since the end of July. Last week, my pcp told me he is extending it by 6 months. The pain and other issues are actually getting worse. I have been on Lyria since April. It worked great, for 3 months. Then all the pain, numbness, and tingling came back, and it's much worse than the last flare up. It seems like the time between flares is getting shorter and the pain gets worse with each one. The doctor added topiramate and desipramine, changed my muscle relaxer to tizanidine. I stopped taking the topiramte and desipramine last week because they weren't doing anything except turning me into a zombie. My rheumatologist said there is nothing more he can do for me. I found a new one that I see in 2 weeks. I finally got a referral to a neurologist. I actually had to push for that and a few more tests. It sure makes a doctor mad when you tell him you think something was missed. I also take concerta, helps me stay away during the day.
I have horrendous pain from upper back to feet. It sometimes feels like my ribs are being crushed (lungs are clear), worse on right side. I have some kind of weird thing near the rib and bottom of breast on that side. It sometimes hurts and bras make hurt more. It doesn't show up on mammogram, ultrasound, mri, or xray. The doctor said it wasn't worrisome because it doesn't show up on imaging. Same thing with the lumps across my lower back. They don't show on imaging but they hurt. I don't feel them unless I am having a flare. Then they feel like golf balls under my skin when I lean against the back of the couch, car seat, etc. In 2008, I had 2 of them. They couldn't find them on ultrasound then either. They multiplied.
I get sudden stabbing pain up and down my spine to tail bone and in buttocks and hips, muscle spasms from upper back to calves. My leg muscles often feel seized, then I walk like Frankenstein, only much slower. The pain is worse early morning and late afternoon and night. The tingling in my hips, headaches, and migraines I have had since childhood. The snapping in my neck drive me nuts. It send a shock down my spine and pain up into the back of my head, only lasts a few minutes. I feel like a racehorse, I have to pee all the time. It's embarrassing to say, but sometimes I don't make it. When I take a shower, my skin feels numb when the water hits it. I itch so bad, worse at night. I don't have a rash and this has been happening for 20+ years. The list goes on and on but that would take too long to type.
I have been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, neurpathy, myofascial pain syndrome, osteoarthritis(mild), sciatica, SI joint dysfunction, runners knee, plantar fasciitis, tnj, allergic rhinitis and yeast overgrowth syndrome (the pain management doctor put that one in there because I asked about upset stomach as a side effect of medication, no testing was done and I don't believe that one). The doctors all say my structural abnormalites are so mild they shouldn't cause pain. I have a dextro curve in my spine, apex at T7 (causes my pelvic bone to be slightly shifted and one hip to be higher than the other per chiropractor), bulging discs at L3- L4 and L5-S1 (mild they say) and an annular tear at L4-L4.
I feel like something was missed. I finally am getting an MRI of my brain (hopefully will rule anything else out or give a cause to my lifelong headaches and migraines) and of thoracic spine. I have had numbness and tingling there for many years, long before a fibro flare. Also I have a sensitive spot on my spine about mid back that feels like a shock from an electrical outlet if I slightly bump it. I also pushed and got a referral to a surgeon to investigate and possibly removed those lumps on my lower back and rib area. My pcp has previously refused to do anymore testing becaue he says I don't present as having anything else than what is diagnosed already.
I am frustated. Nothing helps the pain, exercise and walking make it worse. Standing in one spot for any length of time requires a muscle relaxer. Sitting straight up with feet on the floor is bad too, doesn't help with driving.
Well, sorry for the length of this post. I am going to introduct my 21 year old son to Cheech and Chong. I need a good laugh.
Have a good day,
Lisa
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Have you tried Cymbalta, Savella or Gabapentin for Fibromyalgia? Malic Acid is a supplement that can be used to help relax muscles. It is found naturally in the skin of fruit. You can find this supplement in health food stores and online at Amazon. I use it to help with muscle twitching.
I've had an annular tear and it is horribly painful. I have degenerative disc disease with stenosis too. There is a NON narcotic pain patch called Flector. It only works where it is applied. You need a script for this patch. It is my go-to solution when my back pain really gets out of hand. I also use Arnica Gel which you can purchase at Walgreens or the Vitamin Shoppe. It helps with muscle pain and that bruised sensation. Lidocaine patches are another option. They don't work for me as the medication doesn't go in far enough to be effective. They also "creep" which I don't like and need extra tape to keep them in place. Cold and slimy too - lol.
Arnica gel also comes in pill form. I use the brand made by Borion. These are tiny tablets which dissolve under your tongue. No eating, tooth brushing, smoking or drinking a half and hour before and after using them. Very helpful for muscle pain and soreness.
The lumps that you are describing are likely trigger points. These are muscles that have contracted and will not release on their own. Your current rheumy should know this. You can have them injected with Lidocaine but that is not for the faint hearted. If you can find someone to do it, take a driver and an ice pack with you. I've had it done on muscles in my lower back and it worked. Breaking the pain cycle was such a relief even if it took me a week to recover. You could also try acupuncture which I've done or a technique called dry needling. Acupuncture may initially make your symptoms worse but if you can manage, it does get better. But, you have to keep going. I couldn't because I could not afford it. Some people like massage too. Hot stone is the way to go anything else is too darn painful (at least for me).
Epsom Salt baths can really help with muscle tightness and pain. Some of our member soak in the tub before bed to help relax and hopefully get a decent nights sleep.
Don't discount the yeast overgrowth diagnosis. Over 80% of the immune system resides in your gut. Candia can cause a lot of problems with IBS, stomach issues, headaches, feeling foggy etc. - anything you can do to offset that is huge. I recommend that you use a high grade probiotic every single day to support this area.
Do you wear a bite splint for TMJ? That can cause headaches with migraine like intensity, pain in the neck, arms, shoulders and upper back. It can also contribute to vertigo problems.
I have Plantar Fasciitis too. I have a set of orthotics for my shoes which help a lot. Wearing open backed shoes, sandals and going barefoot will all set it off. I know how painful that can be too.
The skin sensitivity in the shower is called "Allydonia." I have it and it makes wearing clothes difficult. On some days, pressure on my skin is the last thing that I want. Most of us hate bras. If togas ever come back into fashion, we will be all set.
Chest pain and discomfort in the rib area can also be Costochondritis. Also, very painful and can come and go without much rhyme or reason. I use a heating pad, Arnica gel and a supplement called "Curamin" made by Terry Naturally which is available at Amazon or any decent health food store.
We recommend the book "Fibromyalgia for Dummies." You can purchase it on Amazon. It will give you a comprehensive overview of this complex illness and a lot of ways to try and manage it. Also, good for educating family members and sometimes doctors too.
A lot of rheumys these days are washing their hands of Fibromyalgia patients. It is a disorder of the central nervous system which is not their bailiwick. Neurologists are seeing more and more of us. I would also recommend a pain management specialist. And, I particularly like functional medicine specialists. They are sometimes called integrative medicine specialists. They are trained MDs with an interest in holistic medicine. I used one and got more help from this doctor than anyone else. The tests that they run are much more detailed. They usually take insurance.
Join us on daily check in. Our lovely spokemodel Leo the Powerful Puma hosts it every morning. She treats us to great trivia in the form of a myriad of subjects including history, sports and science. And, usually a tale or two involving the neighborhood wildlife. Just look for the day of the week heading. It will help us get to know you better if you participate but lurking is fine too.
Bottom line is that you have to be your own best advocate and keep searching to find solutions that work for you. We are all different when it comes to medication cocktails and pretty much everything else. I hope that my comments were helpful to you. You are not alone. Take care.
BTW, the largest organ in your body and immune system is actually your *skin* (sorry, Fantod!) but current research indicates that our cohabitants in our guts reallllly need to be happily balanced and thriving to maximize nutrient absorption and waste removal, ergo, huge impact on health, including (ta-da!) immune system! The little guys on your eyelashes, scalp, skin, all that, are part of the ecosystem that is *you*, and I swear my fibro would be tons worse if I didn't grow up on a farm and ignore antibacterial products. It's a standard principle, well-demonstrated, that benign bacteria strains (or curable ones) thrive just fine if we don't try to kill everything into submission, thus leaving on the worst, meanest, etc., ....
All of which is to say.... my best fibro strategy continues to be basic healthy lifestyle choices, avoid processed foods and exerise verrrrry gently and so forth and so on, because that's just good no matter what's wrong. Test, trial and error, persistence, and NEVER forget the doctors work for YOU!
On the strucutral issues... That. Is. Horse. Manure. It's not each one, but the *cumulative* effect, and that can affect each individual differently. They're going by the textbooks. We aren't textbooks.
I can't top Fantod (sorry to lecture about th eimmune system, btw, I was premed in the day, I nerd out), and WELCOME to the FIbroMighty forum:-)
I take a lot of supplements as recommended by my pcp. I don't think they do much for the pain or fatigue, even fall asleep after taking concerta. I drink Shakeology, lots of probiotics there (I also get a coach discount, it's expensive but worth it). I take B complex, Cal/Mag with D, fish oil, multivitamin with minerals, CoQ 10, ginseng, turmeric, C, E, 5htp (great for sleeping at night), and alpha lipoic acid. I hate pills though, because I gag and choke on them sometimes.
I had my first painful flare in 2014. They first said I had lupus because a few tests came back positive. The rheumatologist said the numbers weren't high enough and called it fibro.
I try to avoid needles as much as I can. They hurt so bad, even just having blood drawn, I scream and cry because they hurt that bad.
Does going over bumpy roads in a car make you hurt more? It kills my whole back.
My pcp suggested I go to Mayo Clinic because he is running out of ideas. Wish I could afford it. Just the trip there is more than I can afford.
It doesn't help that my pain tolerance seems to have decreased with age. How did I have kids without drugs? LOL I wish bodies were like cars, when it breaks down just trade it in for a new one.
Lupus can be very difficult to diagnose. It can take 5 years or more to get a firm diagnosis. Like Leo the Powerful Puma said, you have to keep going and continue to advocate for yourself. I've fired at least 2 doctors since this whole mess started.
Ketoprofen is a another option. It is a pain killing cream that has to be formulated by a compound pharmacy. I get mine made up with 20% Lidocaine. You apply it after a warm shower or use rubbing alcohol first on your skin. Never layer it - always use it on clean, warm skin. The best way to use it is to apply the cream and put saran wrap over it. Keep the saran wrap on for NO more than 2 hours. That way the cream really gets absorbed. A lot of doctors are not familiar with this stuff. If you decide to try, make sure they write the script for more than a little tub as you have a lot of ground to cover. Mine comes in a tub. There are compound pharmacies everywhere. If one is not convenient to your home, the script can be submitted electronically/ by fax and mailed to your home.
Trigger points will be there whether you are in a flare or not. Once the muscle contracts, it pretty well stays that way.
You should be wearing your mouth splint mouth open or not. It sounds like your jaw muscles are in a continual state of spasm. If you do happen to close your mouth while sleeping, the splint ensures that your jaw is in a neutral position. Have you had a sleep study done?
I'm sorry that you have so much medical stuff going on. And yes, a bumpy road can be murder on some days. I stand by my suggestion to see a functional medicine specialist. Take care.
The last thing that I want to talk about (you are probably saying "thank God") is Quell. This is an FDA approved device that works like an external neuro stimulator. It was developed by some folks associated with MIT. You wear it around your calf and it sends a mild electrical pulse into your skin which in turn stimulates your brain to produce natural pain killers. If the pulse is bothersome, cream can be purchased to dull the sensation. I've had my Quell since it hit the market last summer. I am extremely happy with it. I am not a person who normally reacts to any promotion of curing or improving chronic pain but this device made total sense to me. About 81% of the people who purchase Quell have good results. (It does not work for migraines.) There is a 60 day money back guarantee which they will honor. It is $250 for the unit and a supply of electrodes. The electrodes are about $30 a month if you wear Quell all of the time. I don't unless my pain levels are bad which reduces my cost to use it. I have it synced to my iphone to track usage with their app and it can be worn at night to sleep. This device is one that I highly recommend: quellrelief.com
Take care.
OK, sports medicine may have been a bad suggestion. Supplements in that amount make things worse. Yes, I said it. Worse. (Kiss my ass, Dr. Oz!) If you can prove you're deficient consistently via bloodwork, fine. Otherwise, a good multivitamin/mineral supp should be all you require, and AVOID the cheap ones. Why? They can be pooped out almost whole. Yep. Seen it. Centrum is the worst brand-name offender for that one. Ugh. Chewables are vailable for adults now, too, however, and you can always drink something like Pedialyte or Ensure if it might help. Hey, worth a try. I hate prescriptions, and try to eat my nutrition, but do need to take a supp b/c my epilepsy med screws up something. I did a lot of testing on those blasted supps.
As for your lumps, get them tested. I know you hate needles, but please, get them tested. You may just have cysts. You may have something in those lump sthat can be treated and fixed. It has to be done, because lumps aren't fibro in my experience.... and I never regret getting my little lumps checked out. Or the chicken-egg cyst on my thyroid a few years ago, which turned out to be nothing but a random cyst and self-resolved after they drained it. Ta-da! Scary? Yes. Painful? Heck yes. But think long-term, okay? Heck, ask them to do a local anesthetic where they draw the blood if you need to, but *get it done*. Without information? Nobody can be sure what's going on. And if you pass out? Hey, fine, you pass out! My late sister passed out every time she had to have blood drawn or a flu shot, and we actually would wait for her to pass out before the doc/nurse would administer the needle. Made life easier for everyone. Sounds horrible as I read it, but it's true. She had no awareness, and they didn't ahve to deal with a screaming octopus. (Just run with that image.)
The reason I advocte is that I had a cyst the size of a US nickel on my ribs, on my back, and I was freaking out. It was horrible and itchy and I was sure it was some alien pod worm or something... Nope, jsut an under-skin bit of infection. Zing! Done! Antoher time, hwoever, the lumps in question ruptured, and it turned out I had flesh-eating bacteria. I was lucky that my body manifested it so weirdly as to "cyst-encapsulate" the sites, but I delayed... and it was *not* worth it. At all. I was sick as he** for a month, and it took 3 months for the skin to even start feeling okay. And it was on my *butt*. Believe me, b een there, done that.
OK, now I too will hush up!
I read a lot about trigger point injections since I suffer from painful knots and spasms. They are difficult to do and a bit dangerous because of the risk of damaging nerves or hitting blood vessels, depending on the site. If you find a doc who does them, please research her/him and the procedure carefully.
I also wear hard plastic inserts for plantar fascitis. Got them cheap at a running shoes specialty store, as recommended by my doc.