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Alienated Mother, in much grief, help welcomed
Hi, recently I have come across a thing called "Parental Alienation Syndrome", and while I'm often a bit sceptical of overly neat "syndromes", from what I've read about PAS it fits my situation exactly!
I was involved in an extremely protracted custody dispute concerning my daughter, now aged 15. I lost primary custody, got back 50% custody, and now I've lost custody entirely - or perhaps I've "abnegated" it in a way. The issue was that two years ago daughter's dad simply began defying court orders and stopped bringing her to see me. The catalyst, supposedly, was that I disclosed the real story of my own suicide to my daughter in an "abusive" way. Since my mother's suicide I've been very depressed, aqnd although I was once a professional woman, I've only had casual jobs for the last 5 years. Essentially, my daughter was angry that I don't make enough money, she was saying everything she could think of to wound me, and instead of staying calm, and remembering (as I should've) that she was only 13, instead I lost it, had this outburst, during which I told her that her grandmother had taken her own life. I think at the time I was trying to make her understand how hard things have been for me, but she was very upset, so for the first time ever I let her go back to her Dad's early. I felt dreadful.
The next I saw her, Dad stipulated just a day visit, but I apologised with all my heart to her, and my daughter tearfully accepted my apology and even apologised for her own behaviour. She said she'd come back and stay as normal next time.
However, Dad kept putting off an overnight stay, and in the middle of everything, demanded that I sign away my right to increased child support payments. I actually agreed, and rang up the child support agency, but they told me he'd had a big rise in income and that from now on he was obliged to pay me the new rate. I got back to him about this, and he told me "okay, no more child support".
And then he simply stopped bringing her to see me. Even though he was contravening a parenting order, there was nothing I could do for months. The Child Support people told me that even if he was violating a court order, they still had to calculate child support payments on the basis of where the child was actually staying, not on where she was supposed to be staying according to any court orders.
Back to the family court. By this point I hadn't seen my daughter for about three months, I think. I tried to get a recovery order and was told my only option was to assent to having my daughter picked up/dropped off in a cop car! I couldn't believe it. I thought the order could be enforced by fining the Dad ... but no. I knew my daughter would loathe the cop car deal, so I said no, okay, leave it - I'll have to trust Dad to bring her to see me when he feels like it.
Of course he hardly ever brought her from then on. A family court psychologist talked to all of us about 6 months into this - dad had to be court ordered to attend. The psych reported that my daughter no longer wanted to live with me because she "lacked respect for me", and felt I had "no basic life skills" (one of her Dad's pet phrases - I recognised it from when we were still together and I was told I had "no life skills" if I burned the dinner or didn't mop the floor the way he thought it should be done!)
But the real point was that the psych was concerned that Dad was actively raising my daughter to despise me, and determined to minimise our mother/daughter relationship.
Sorry, this has taken so long, but it's been cathartic.
Where am I at now? I have seen my daughter once this year. She rarely returns my calls or texts. Occasionally she says she wants to get together but more often than not it never happens. I didn't a text message on Mother's Day, no phone call last Christmas, and no phone call when I was hospitalised three times over the course of this year because of a badly fractured arm.
I have no idea what is going on in her life, aside from the fact that she now play football (which seems weird - she was never sporty), she loves drama (lovely! but if I hadn't caled the school I wouldn't even know she was in a play or how to get hold of tickets ...). I know this might sound a bit sick but I was rather touched when she confided in me about possibly being gay - before she told her Dad. I guess I treasure that because it suggests that on some level she still feel close to me.
Oh, I miss her so much! I don't know who I am anymore. I'm so depressed without her in my life. I've emailed Dad and begged him for just dinner once a fortnight, but he insists it's totally her call and beyond his control. Nonsense. If he supported me even the tiniest bit I know it would make a huge difference - he is now the authority in her life.
All her old clothes are in a "nostalgia box". A lot of the time I can't even bear to see a photo of her - because I no longer have recent photos, only older ones from when she was little. My God, we loved eachother so much. So much has been lost. She was never ashamed of me before or thought I lacked "life skills" - I have a PhD and used to lecture at universities. I've published a book. I know I need to move onto new things now, not just coast on my past achievements forever, but it is so hard to get started.
I cry so much. I haven't been looking after myself very well. I've lost so much weight. I've had relationships with men since all this happened that are probably ill-advised, mainly as distraction.
Has anyone ever combatted anything like this? What strategies (apart from improving my financial situation) can I employ? I know Dad will never change his tune.
Any advice would be welcome.
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Here is my new brother, copper :) He's so tiny! Moo and Tuck were ok with him on first meeting. Rocket due to his severe aggression will never meet Cooper.
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Only real advice I can give is to: keep reaching out, and never, ever blame the father for what's going on (even if he's 100% knowingly behind it). Right now she's bonded tight to him, so even the slightest smudge on his character she'll see as an attack on herself.
It's bad when parents do this.
I could have...easily. When my ex left my kids were so tight with me that I could have wiped him completely out of their lives. It took a concious effort NOT to do it.
I honestly believe that most of the time, parents aren't intentionally doing it. Mostly I think that they're expressing their own anxiety and the kids are picking up on it and making it their own.
It's quite scary sometimes just how much influence I have over my kids. I once said something about not liking a particular flavor of ice cream, and before I knew it my kids were swearing up and down that they hated it too. That's a trivial example, but it just shows how much influence a bonded parent has.
Can you not go and pick her up as opposed to having her father drop her off even if it's in a taxi??
If a longer visit isn't in the cards right now perhaps start with taking her out for lunch or somewhere for a couple of hours to start to rebuild your relationship
Gentle hug..... I'm sorry that this is happening to you and your child..... I hope that your husband will realize that your daughter needs both parents in her life...….xo