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Thousands of Maryland Sex Offenders May Be Removed
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Follow the link:
http://tinyurl.com/kqb5pa7
I knew this movement was in the works in Maryland, as I had previously talked via email to Nancy Forster, an attorney working for some of the registrants who were plaintiffs in the case. She is just a cool lady, BTW. In fact, she is one of my heroes.
The plaintiffs, the registrants, in Maryland are using the fact that their crimes were committed---and they were convicted--- before the establishment of the registry; therefore, the registry in Maryland is a form of retroactive punishment and illegal. Ex Post Facto laws are illegal.
A lower court has agreed with the sex offenders.
According to the court, it was a form of retroactive punishment, which is against Maryland law
Yes, the AG in Maryland will appeal, but this is a start.
They did the same thing in Oklahoma. The Oklahoma DOC lost in the lower courts, and thinking that surely somewhere a judge would agree with their position, they kept appealing to a higher court. They kept losing. So they rolled the dice one last time, went for all the marbles and appealed it to the Oklahoma State Supreme Court. Well, they lost there in a landmark decision that was highly critical of how the DOC had handled the SORNA portion of the sex offender registry. Now guess what? Instead of a minimal amount of damage if they had cut their losses and left it at a lower court level, they will have to move thousands from the registry.
Sometimes these legislators get too feisty and “too big for their britches” and continue to pile on so many regulations that the registry becomes punitive. They get cocky and overplay their hand.
So let the state of Maryland appeal. If it gets to the Maryland Supreme Court, and the registrants win there, then the decision will affect more than just a handful of registrants.
In this case, the registrants of Maryland are saying that the registry itself cannot be applied retroactively to those that were convicted before the registry existed.
In my state, Oklahoma, the Oklahoma Supreme Court did not rule exactly like this. They did not rule on the registry per se. They ruled that the application of the SORNA regulations to anyone convicted before 2007, the date the SORNA regulations were enacted in this state, was unconstitutional and illegal. Here they used the state constitution, not the federal constitution as a basis for the filing of the lawsuit.
In both cases the problem was the retroactivity of the law.
Something similar also happened in Ohio about a year ago.
My point is that registrants are beginning to win some major victories at the state level. These victories should give us something that we all desperately need---HOPE. Folks, I have been at this for many, many years, and the tide is slowly turning.
Things are slowly changing---IN OUR FAVOR.
Many registrants will look at the decisions in Ohio, Oklahoma, and the pending outcome of the one in Maryland and think, “But my situation is different. My guy was not convicted before the inception of either SORNA or the introduction of the sex offender registry. How can this help me?”
Well, it won’t affect anyone in those situations at the present time. But here is the bigger picture: The public and many of the courts are now seeing the registry for just what it is---punishment. And therefore, these laws cannot be applied retroactively. Courts are now willing to listen to any attorney that argues that the sex offender registry and all its ramifications have gone too far and have now become punitive in nature.
This change in ATTITUDE, even though it is just a start, can only be a good thing for all of us who post on this board.
No matter what state you live in, whether it is a state with Draconian attitudes toward sex offenders such as Florida, Texas, Louisiana or wherever, you have to be encouraged by this. It shows that reforms can be made through the court system OUT OF THE REACH OF LAWMAKERS which will benefit folks like us. In most of these decisions the legislators cannot go back and wordsmith or change the language in the bill to make it constitutional and override the court decision..The courts have spoken.
We need to keep the pressure on. I write and write and call people every day that I think will help our cause. We should now become like the proverbial shark in the water when he smells blood. Things are definitely looking up.
I have often said that reform will begin at the state level, which it has. This can only build and snowball into something better for all of us.
We can use these court decisions as stepping stones to more decisions in our favor. The sex offender registry or any portion of Megan's Law will never be abolished in one great swoop at the federal level, but we can work on this on the state level---AND BUILD FROM THERE. When I was teaching reading to inmates in prison, there was and old saying “Success begets success.” That is true here.
I am typing very fast this morning, so if there are any grammatical errors, please excuse me.
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http://tinyurl.com/kqb5pa7
I knew this movement was in the works in Maryland, as I had previously talked via email to Nancy Forster, an attorney working for some of the registrants who were plaintiffs in the case. She is just a cool lady, BTW. In fact, she is one of my heroes.
The plaintiffs, the registrants, in Maryland are using the fact that their crimes were committed---and they were convicted--- before the establishment of the registry; therefore, the registry in Maryland is a form of retroactive punishment and illegal. Ex Post Facto laws are illegal.
A lower court has agreed with the sex offenders.
According to the court, it was a form of retroactive punishment, which is against Maryland law
Yes, the AG in Maryland will appeal, but this is a start.
They did the same thing in Oklahoma. The Oklahoma DOC lost in the lower courts, and thinking that surely somewhere a judge would agree with their position, they kept appealing to a higher court. They kept losing. So they rolled the dice one last time, went for all the marbles and appealed it to the Oklahoma State Supreme Court. Well, they lost there in a landmark decision that was highly critical of how the DOC had handled the SORNA portion of the sex offender registry. Now guess what? Instead of a minimal amount of damage if they had cut their losses and left it at a lower court level, they will have to move thousands from the registry.
Sometimes these legislators get too feisty and “too big for their britches” and continue to pile on so many regulations that the registry becomes punitive. They get cocky and overplay their hand.
So let the state of Maryland appeal. If it gets to the Maryland Supreme Court, and the registrants win there, then the decision will affect more than just a handful of registrants.
In this case, the registrants of Maryland are saying that the registry itself cannot be applied retroactively to those that were convicted before the registry existed.
In my state, Oklahoma, the Oklahoma Supreme Court did not rule exactly like this. They did not rule on the registry per se. They ruled that the application of the SORNA regulations to anyone convicted before 2007, the date the SORNA regulations were enacted in this state, was unconstitutional and illegal. Here they used the state constitution, not the federal constitution as a basis for the filing of the lawsuit.
In both cases the problem was the retroactivity of the law.
Something similar also happened in Ohio about a year ago.
My point is that registrants are beginning to win some major victories at the state level. These victories should give us something that we all desperately need---HOPE. Folks, I have been at this for many, many years, and the tide is slowly turning.
Things are slowly changing---IN OUR FAVOR.
Many registrants will look at the decisions in Ohio, Oklahoma, and the pending outcome of the one in Maryland and think, “But my situation is different. My guy was not convicted before the inception of either SORNA or the introduction of the sex offender registry. How can this help me?”
Well, it won’t affect anyone in those situations at the present time. But here is the bigger picture: The public and many of the courts are now seeing the registry for just what it is---punishment. And therefore, these laws cannot be applied retroactively. Courts are now willing to listen to any attorney that argues that the sex offender registry and all its ramifications have gone too far and have now become punitive in nature.
This change in ATTITUDE, even though it is just a start, can only be a good thing for all of us who post on this board.
No matter what state you live in, whether it is a state with Draconian attitudes toward sex offenders such as Florida, Texas, Louisiana or wherever, you have to be encouraged by this. It shows that reforms can be made through the court system OUT OF THE REACH OF LAWMAKERS which will benefit folks like us. In most of these decisions the legislators cannot go back and wordsmith or change the language in the bill to make it constitutional and override the court decision..The courts have spoken.
We need to keep the pressure on. I write and write and call people every day that I think will help our cause. We should now become like the proverbial shark in the water when he smells blood. Things are definitely looking up.
I have often said that reform will begin at the state level, which it has. This can only build and snowball into something better for all of us.
We can use these court decisions as stepping stones to more decisions in our favor. The sex offender registry or any portion of Megan's Law will never be abolished in one great swoop at the federal level, but we can work on this on the state level---AND BUILD FROM THERE. When I was teaching reading to inmates in prison, there was and old saying “Success begets success.” That is true here.
I am typing very fast this morning, so if there are any grammatical errors, please excuse me.
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Hell, this is a start and I cannot understand why you want to dampen people's enthusiasm or minimize their hope by saying that it is too little too late. It is never too late.
Why do you do that on a SUPPORT board? You are a smart guy, and I respect and agree with your wish for reform, but it is important for people to see tangible proof that we are slowly making progress in our fight against the registry and all its ramifications.
OneofThem, there is a big difference between REVENGE, which is what you want and REFORM, which is what most people want.
You will not believe this, but I hate the system probably as much as you do. After all, I was not even guilty.
But I want reform to release the 750,000 registrants and their families from this monster we call the registry.
You want revenge. There is a difference.
Yes, I agree with you that there are a lot of people, people in high places, that need to pay---and pay dearly---for the things they have done to make our lives miserable. And I would like to see the day that that happens.
But any victory is a victory.
Advocacy is fine, but please do not hamper the spirit of the board here. Many of these people are truly hurting, some may be broken. They are tired and worn out. They just want some relief and to be able to lay their weary heads down at night and live with their families in a normal way, with some peace in their lives.
I know you are cynical toward the system and you have a right to be, but everyone here needs HOPE.
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To be kind, honest and have positive
thoughts; to forgive those who harm
us and treat everyone as a friend; to
help those who are suffering and
never to consider ourselves superior
to anyone else.
~Dalai Lama~
Anger is only a short term motivator, it fires you up, it gets you going but it usually lacks focus or tends to only focus on a narrow portion of the issue rather than looking at the big picture, where you will see far more than the small piece that is angering you.
To you I am sure it would appear that a person that sees things from the point of view I am trying to present to you would be considered weak, spineless and wishy washy. But this is so far from the truth, a person that sees that revenge is a waste of energy and time has learned that the only way to beat the people that have put them in the positions they are, is to beat them at their own game using their rules.
Which is one reason that I advocate for voting out ALL incumbent politicians, why I advocate for public education about human rights issues (mainly sex offender issues), why I don't run every cop I see off the road, why I don't make waves for them if they try to mess with me or my family, because I can fight them better at their own game if I am free. If I listened to you, I would be in the women's correctional prison here in Wisconsin for probably 10-15 years based on your advise most times. I would be classified a repeat offender as well as you encourage people to do it over and over again.
While you may feel as if you have nothing to lose, but unless you live in a cardboard box in northern Wisconsin in the winter, you have far more to lose with the attitude you have than you have to gain.
You said my lack of anger toward the system is UNNATURAL?
Really?
No, unnatural is when a poster on a support forum tells another poster to go kill himself or when he threatens bodily harm to said poster when he does not agree.
Unnatural is when a poster on this forum is exceedingly rude at times to his fellow members and tells other people that their personal beliefs are idiotic.
Unnatural is when a seemingly adult poster on this forum uses language you would find on a junior high playground, juvenile words actually, and throws a hissy fit to attempt to belittle another poster on this board who happens to be a human being trying to cope with all this.
Does this sound familiar at all?
THAT is unnatural and such behavior does not help our cause at all. People begin to see us as menacing creatures instead of human beings. People begin to fear us and ask for more laws to “rein in those crazy sex offenders.”
Your ideas are good, but the method you employ with some of your rantings makes me think sometimes that you have gotten off your meds.
What bothers me the most is that if people don’t see things as you see them, if they don’t agree with your idea of equality by force, you judge them and ridicule them as weak, unnatural, complacent, unknowing, etc.
Nobody here hates the system more than I do. But I am smart enough to realize that change does not come through retribution.
OneofThem, we have disagreed many times over this issue. I will not change your mind nor will you change mine. But because you do not agree with me, I do not label you as an idiot or someone beneath me. I still see you as a fellow registrant with a different mindset than I have.
I still like you and consider you as a friend. But I think your approach is wrong.
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wisconsinrsol, this is a TRUE statement, I have seen anger destroy many people in groups, they focus on the anger and forget how to live, which destroys them and their family
, LOL, been there, done that, it did not work!
buildingupslow
geez, sounds like Parkhurst, Walsh and or Lungsford.....or any of the trolls that have visited us here on this board.
No way am I stooping to their level!
I think everyone here knows how you feel, oneofthem. For once, just let people enjoy the hope of some victory and stop trying to get everyone else to be as angry as you. Some of like to live life and enjoy what we can without being obsessed by the bad things that happen.
I was very good with staying out of this but once again you had to go personal...Sure, you didn't say my name, but everyone knows who you are talking about...
I am only going to ask you two questions...
1) If you have so much hate for EVERYTHING this Country stands for, why don't you leave? You are not restricted from leaving and you can LEGALLY get a passport....You claim to be a Communist/Marxist...Why don't you go to Venusuela? Bolivia? Cuba? Peoples Republic of China?....Let me guess....I bet you wear a "Che" shirt...Do you know who he really was?.... A Doctor, who violated his "Oath" and murdered people who disagreed with him..Josef Mengele, an extremely evil person at least used the excuse of medical science experiments....Che murdered just because you disagreed with him, he was so bad that Castro put a hit on his ass... Fidel is retired, why don't you go live in that Communist utopia?? OH, could it be that, as my Cuban friends tell me, that little brother Raul is even worse and has more blood on his hands than Fidel?...I ask you again...Show me one place, JUST ONE, where Socialism/Communism has worked...
My second question..
You are so quick to blame this Country for all the evils in the world, so what have you done for this Country??? Going downtown and crapping on cop cars, stomping up and down like 3 year olds having a tantrum, assaulting innocent people who are just trying to earn a living, busting the windows and looting shops, many owned by immigrants..OH, but i'm the Hater.....Sorry, the "Movement" ain't getting bigger except for making bigger fools of themselves which is actually alienating people from the radical lunatics...
Don't bother telling to kill my self..Not gonna happen, and don't even bother responding because as I've promised people I am not going to highjack a thread..I've gone out of my way not to respond to your drivel..Leave me alone and I will leave you alone, so "Lighten up Francis"...
My faith does nothing to block your civil rights. You think because I don't agree with gay marraige, that I want to prevent them from marrying - wrong! As I have said before, I voted FOR civil unions here in CA, that gave them all the rights of a traditional marriage without calling it marriage. Guess what? If some politicians actually followed the law, the courts would have sided with the the majority of CA's. I do not look down on anyone, gay straight, Muslim, Athiest, Jewish, white, black, man, woman. I believe everyone has a right (including those unborn) to a free life that our Constitution gives us.
Haters want to remove my freedom of religion and free speech because they don't like what I have to say. Fine, don't listen. You don't have to agree with me, and I don't have to agree with you. I don't push my beliefs on you, but want to course hour briefs into me. Now who is blocking who's civil rights?
Stop bad mouthing those who disagree with you, suck it up like a man and move on instead if insulting us.