Fantastic.

Aladdin, you and others are doing great work trying to make the judges see these stings for what they really are.

Keep up the good work.

rewdiazepam

Amazing! I'm so glad y'all are fighting to get the information out there so people can make informed decisions. And I'm so glad there are attorneys who fight alongside.
K

very nice article

Good article and good comments so far.

http://congress-courts-legislation.blogspot.com/2014/01/sex-sting-backlash.html

http://sexoffenderissues.blogspot.com/2014/01/fl-sex-sting-backlash.html

Dave in the Philippines

Awesome! I have been outspoken to anyone that would listen (lol) about these stings since I first heard of them! WTG!!

I do have a question though and one comment (of course - LOL) I get that they are not following the rules and should be investigated - but in my opinion these are unconstitutional arrests so don;t we actually want the stings to be eliminated entirely?

My comment is I really did not like the part in the report that said - not a direct quote - that the police were the ones talking about sex and only a few were found to actually have CP on their computers, Of course the last part is what bothers me. I do not like the implication that the ones that had CP were REAL predators and the others were not. I do not believe any of the people in these stings are true predators whether they have CP or not -

Love the comments and so far are residental troll hasn't spewed her filth yet or I wonder if her stuff got deleted

Thanks for all the great comments! Hopefully we can leverage this to apply some pressure in the right places.

Advocate,

The end goal is to eliminate or at least severely restrict how these stings are performed and you won't find any of us disagreeing with them being unconstitutional but attacking them head on that way is next to impossible. Many facets have already been challenged on constitutional grounds and upheld which leads us to the collateral attack we are arguing.

Going after very provable black and white rule violations gains us two very important things:

1 - Obeying the rules, in this case the ICAC Operational and Investigative Standards, is a stipulation of the federal grants law enforcement gets for performing these "investigations". Every grant contract these agencies sign says that not adhering to ICAC Standards during investigations is cause to have any and all grant funding revoked. Really egregious violations can lead to an agency being barred from receiving ANY federal funding. If we can't shut them down on Constitutional grounds we can at least cash starve the beast which would seriously impact the ability to perform these investigations.

2 - Obeying the rules was mandated by congress and is required by federal law. It's a situation that hasn't existed for law enforcement for many many years, legislation specifically written to restrict the actions of law enforcement. All applicable case law and precedent for this situation shows that when law enforcement ignores this kind of legislation a defendant's procedural and substantive due process rights are violated and the investigation is unconstitutional. This should either bar prosecution or at least allow for the suppression of evidence on constitutional grounds.

Now on to the CP comment. You are right about the implication and FAC doesn't care for it either. I have to admit it is a narrow path to walk but here's the problem - The government has and is proclaiming these operations are justified and they are catching real predators because they nearly always find CP or evidence of prior victims. The affidavits they produce in order to get warrants state things like

"Due to my training and experience your affiant believes there is evidence of further child victimization at the suspect's home. Most child predators are known to have large collections of images and videos depicting child victimization. These collections are precious to them and they usually contain images and videos of their own actions."

Right now the only way I know of to beat that kind of garbage is to show it's a demonstrably false statement and unfortunately that means pointing out only 9 defendants possessed CP.

Aladdin, thanks for your response, I can see where the train of thought is, to be honest, as you mention it - it is not unusual to see c.p. make the same statement using molestation ratios instead. You know there are many of us on here that have loved ones up on c.p charges and it was kind of unfortunate for us that it was mentioned in the article, could they not have said other sex offenses and kept the c.p. out of the equation? Something I will from now on keep in mind when referring to the stats regarding c.p. as well, to be respectful of all registrants.

TalknStang actually did make the point about prior sex offenses/evidence of real victims too but for whatever reason it didn't make the cut. That number is also very low at 16 if not as low as the CP number. If somebody has another way to address the issue believe me when I say I'm all ears.

if anybody can, please post a comment on the WKRG sting article. If we want a major news network to pick this story up, we are going to need support. The comments are not even close, but I am hopeful. There was actually much more of the interview but obviously the story was only allotted so much time. Plus i was so sick during the interview. Chad did a great job on editing all of that out of there thankfully. . The important thing is that we were able to tell the truth finally and it wasn't a story about anybody's individual case....thank God.

on the CP issue, the mention of CP is being misunderstood i do believe. What we were wanting to show is that there is no relation to true pedophiles, who usually will have a collection of CP that they cherish and protect, and men arrested in these operations.. Just because someone is charged with CP doesn't necessarily make them a pedo. We know people are framed/setup every day with these bogus charges that are difficult to defend

Thanks all but to clarify. My son was not framed or set up and he did have CP. but he is not a pedophile and has been found to have no deviant tendencies. I am grateful and hopeful for all you guys do and wish for the best outcome.

ok, let me reclarify this again once and for all....even if someone is found to have CP they downloaded on their computer does not make them guilty, although law enforcement could care less. In my research I have discovered so many problematic issues into CP that it is really disturbing to say the least and there is little doubt in my mind of government involvement with it. CP is a much worse issue than these stings in my opinion and are even more difficult to defend since there is no chat log or conversation to use in a defense. Its like they find it on your computer, you admit to it or have a lot of money to be able to defend yourself as to why it was there and how it got there. Not many can afford that.

thanks for your PM on our site though. We are all in the same fight on a very sensitive issue. I am not here to speculate or generalize about anyone so please forgive me if there was something said out of line. We know what they are doing is wrong and it has to stop. My dawg Aladdin4d, myself, and a handful of others are non-stop in this effort. to expose this fraud and this latest story brings us one step closer to making that a reality. Nothing would please me more if the whole CP issue was exposed as well, but these things are big money makers in our government and many federal jobs are created because this type of cime exists. The entire NCMEC is funded on that basis alone. So people don't like it because at the end of the day when you try to expose this kind of corruption, you are messing with peoples livelihoods. It's sad, but true.