I also find it interesting that you have no problem with FBI sources of information when it supports your points. But if it doesn't, "statistics fr the bureau of Justice won't get very far with people like me".

Interesting.

Haven't all of the European Studies shown porn decreases rape and CP decreases molesting?
"Scientists can't even tell us if milk is good or bad for us" Lewis Black
I consider psychologists on par with Psychics and tea leaf readers, but that's just me.

Ugh Independent exactly who are you talking to in your posts? You have me quite confused - lol. I did look at the link you provided and the commentary there - the first thing that popped out at me (other than the ridiculous information) is that EVERY source she cites is very outdated - a no-no in any scholarly work especially when one is quoting statistics

You know this made me think of something - years ago when Ted Bundy (I assume most of us have heard of him) gave an interview (I think is was Barbara Walters) right before he was executed. I watched it, I was young and highly impressionable and knew nothing about sex offenses etc. at the time. I remember that (and it was talked about by commentators quite a bit at the time) that one of the things he said in the interview was about porn. He eluded to the fact that his "problem" began with porn. I remember at the time even though I was young and uneducated in the world of sex offenses etc. I thought that did not make sense. And I realized that Bundy was a serial murderer and according to experts would have been a serial murderer no matter what (not sure about that because I am not educated in that realm except for the statistics that there are very few serial murderers compared to world population) - but I also remember thinking why should we believe this man who was already going to lose his life, made clear during his trail and crimes that he thought the rest of us were pure idiots, that he knew and found a scapegoat (porn) for the murderer he became? At the time all the media was a-buzz with the porn causes serial murders rhetoric (becasue Ted Bundy said so??)

Sorry for the typos! ugh I should have paid attention in typing class ...

I'm not sure hank how these European studies can say CP reduces contact crimes? How are they controlling for everything else? It's the same problem people that shall not be named have, they cannot prove CP leads to contact crimes. I think the inverse is also true, you also cannot prove it causes less contact crimes without properly controlling for a lot of other variables.

There is a study done by the Univ of Hawaii.

http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2010to2014/2010-porn-in-czech-republic.html

Interesting conclusions. Please read.

I'm not saying that CP reduces hands on offenses, I am saying that there are studies that show it. If you read the rest of my post, I wrote I don't t believe most studies, particularly any that try and predict how a human will act in the future. There is no way to know for sure what someone will do in the future, they should stop trying to guess.
I AM more willing to believe a study that goes against their own best interests. When the DOJ says SO's have insanely low recidivism rate, I will believe them. Since they would love to be able to say the opposite was true. Unfortunately it deals with hard data (not predictions), X prisoners released, X prisoners rearrested, equals recidivism.
I personally know some people affected by the Butner Study, where they asked the prisoners (who had been convicted of CP crimes) "have you ever committed a contact crime, that we don't know about". If the prisoner said NO, they were told they would be civilly committed for the rest of their lives, but if they said YES they had committed contact crimes, then they could go home. People lied and went home, the psychs got the answer they wanted, pretty simple. Fortunately, the truth about Butner came out and we can hope the psychologists take their jobs more seriously today, but I doubt it.

The study shows a correlation between CP reducing CSA but that still does not mean causation. For example all crime has gone down in the past 30 years in the U.S. Any politician could wisely point out any crime bill in the past 30 years that they had a hand in crafting was the reason crime went down. They may be right, they may be completely wrong, but how can you separate it all out? You cannot.

Here is an example that most on here would definitely disagree with that by this correlation logic it would support: the registry has reduced sex crimes. Unlike what people believe, according the NCVS and the UCR sexual crimes against children has gone down from 1994 until now. As we know in 1994 the Jacob Wetterling Act passed formerly starting the public registery. Now one could say that since sex crimes went down it is a direct cause of the registry, and an uneducated person would say that makes sense. However all crime went down in the past 21 years. How can we say with any certainty that it was just the registry that dropped the rate of sex crimes specifically and the overall drop in crime rate isn't more responsible?

Interestingly enough researchers that have studied the registry do not believe that it is responsible for the drop in rate of sex crimes but I was just bringing this up of an example of falsely showing a correlation and trying to claim causation. Correlation does not equal causation, that's a fundamental principle of statistics. And this study still is only showing a correlation but if extremely interesting and counter intuitive to what the general public believes.

Very interesting, thank you for posting it.

Are we referring to viewing child pornography or adult, legal pornography?

In the original article, I see both types of pornography mentioned.

Which type of pornography supposedly causes rape?

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Good question, REW. Of course as Independent says there is no real way to study this (or it hasn't been yet) but true dat! is it just illegal porn that causes rape? How ridiculous would that be? LOL So when you look at it that way that means just about every man (mostly men not all) is a possible rapist!

That's a very good point Rew. Does adult porn lead to rape of adults? This just shows how uneducated and emotional people are.

I don't understand how any rational person without any particular agenda could make such a bold statement that adult pornography leads to rape.

This is one of those arguments that can never be proven either way, which victims and victim's rights groups----and the Bible thumpers----hope to use in their fight against pornography.

It is also a prime example of a group of people using lies in an attempt to impose their moral views on the rest of us.

People will use statistics to push their agenda, but here are some statistics that are in the ballpark regarding pornography.

Different organizations will cite different statistics for rape, but the most reliable I could find was a United Nations report which reported that the annual number of rapes or rape attempts in 65 countries was approximately 250,000.

The FBI reported 85,000 rapes in the year 2010 while the US DOJ reported 191,670 in 2005.

RAINN reports there are 293,000 reports of sexual abuse in the United States annually.

These are just estimates, but for the sake of our argument, let's be liberal---very liberal---- and list the number or world wide rape victims at one million per year. This is an obscene number and I suspect it should be lower, but let's use the one million rapes per year in 65 countries.

Rapes and sexual assaults often go unreported. According to the United Nations report, 68% of the sexual assaults in the world go unreported.

If 68% of the sexual assaults go unreported, then if there are one million rapes reported worldwide, then the actual number of assaults would be close to 1.4 million.

According to Webroot.com, 40 million Americans regularly visit porn sites.
Every second 30,000 users are watching pornography on the internet and 2.5 billion emails sent or received every day contain some form of pornography.

Business Insider claims there are more than 26 million porn web sites with 40 million regular consumers of online porn in the US alone.

As you can clearly see, the amount of pornography viewed greatly outweighs even the most liberal number that we can attribute to rape.

If even a small percentage of those who viewed pornography went on to rape another human being, the majority of the women, children---and I suppose, men----in the United States would be a rape statistic. That is just not true.

So it is obvious that only a very small number of those who watch porn commit an act of rape.

The number of rapes over the last 10 years has shown a decrease of close to 50%, while the porn industry and the amount of porn produced and consumed within the last 10 years has skyrocketed. If pornography did indeed make one much more likely to commit a sex crime, then the amount of rapes would not be decreasing.

I don't have an opinion on vanilla adult pornography, but I do expect honesty in the people that report that viewing pornography is a significant factor in the crime of rape. That is just not true.

People who make bold claims as this lose all credibility.

I am surprised that people are so uneducated and ignorant to believe that viewing pornography has any demonstrable effect on the number of rapes committed. Really.

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